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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 7, 2017 15:01:26 GMT
Except we know they will release a gameplay vide and do exactly what you and Dutch are asking them to. Whether or not you and Dutch happen to like what they show or find some reason of how it does not match what you have been asking for all along, that is another matter entirely. And frankly it should not matter when gameplay is shown before a game comes out as long as gameplay is released to show people how the game will behave. I mean frankly at this point I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they are waiting for the game to go gold before showing anything. Why? Two reasons: First of all I do think game companies are realizing, especially in the modern day of the internet, it does not matter when you show long gameplay videos because people will still buy the game...or not...whenever they will buy the game...or not. Videos can become widely distributed within hours posted to YouTube, Facebook, and a wide variety of news outlets. So companies are realizing...might as well show the game in the final stage when it is complete or nearly complete, becasue as DA I proved with the stupid reaction to the Crestwood video, people tend to pout when they hype something in their heads and it proves to not be the case. So, why cause yourself unneccessary grief by releasing a gameplay video weeks, months, years in advance and have people praise/ complain about elements of your game that might not even be there in the first place? If someone complains about it lets make sure its actually worth complaining about. if that is the case then they should NOT ask people to preorder at all and yet you know very well that they do. It flies in the face of the very principle of the experiment and, I am sorry, it seems anti consumer to as it is for anithing that is less than full transparency. Also, once the game is in feature lockdown your final point becomes entirely moot and since it has been proven that it can be done VERY WELL by numerous companies (case in point halo wars 2) I do not see why I should just take it silently. No complaints = no improvements What are you talking about ? I can walk into Gamestop right now and pre-order The Last Of Us Part 2 if I want. I'm obviously not going to though because we know nothing about that game and have only seen a CGI trailer. Every developer/publisher wants you to pre-order as soon as they release their first trailer. That doesn't mean you should or that they're anti-consumer. You're an adult, decide if you want to pre-order or not like a big boy. Like everyone else.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 7, 2017 15:04:45 GMT
if that is the case then they should NOT ask people to preorder at all and yet you know very well that they do. It flies in the face of the very principle of the experiment and, I am sorry, it seems anti consumer to as it is for anithing that is less than full transparency. Also, once the game is in feature lockdown your final point becomes entirely moot and since it has been proven that it can be done VERY WELL by numerous companies (case in point halo wars 2) I do not see why I should just take it silently. No complaints = no improvements The problem with your "not asking people to pre-order" is that people were begging to pre-order for months prior to them even opening it up. People have different priories to what they are looking for in a game or even the marketing and just because it doesn't cater to one person what they are doing doesn't mean it isn't to another. It has been proven with BioWare games that people are unwilling to accept changes after they see them presented, so I can't see using another game from a different studio as an example as it working. While with BioWare games people wrote articles in the hundreds of words explaining why BioWare lied or mislead them by using content demonstrations that wasn't in the final product while even labeled as early in development. of course, there is always a segment that demands early preorder and knows that a validation in the form of a gameplay video will come. Which is not in this case because...wait...Bioware NEVER said why and at this point we KNOW the game is WELL within feature lockdown territory, hell it has been for over a year. So what is the excuse? Because from the sound of your post sounds you actually agree that it is Bioware pouting and actually not being able to deal with criticism spurred by their own choices.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 7, 2017 15:06:36 GMT
if that is the case then they should NOT ask people to preorder at all and yet you know very well that they do. It flies in the face of the very principle of the experiment and, I am sorry, it seems anti consumer to as it is for anithing that is less than full transparency. Also, once the game is in feature lockdown your final point becomes entirely moot and since it has been proven that it can be done VERY WELL by numerous companies (case in point halo wars 2) I do not see why I should just take it silently. No complaints = no improvements What are you talking about ? I can walk into Gamestop right now and pre-order The Last Of Us Part 2 if I want. I'm obviously not going to though because we know nothing about that game and have only seen a CGI trailer. Every developer/publisher wants you to pre-order as soon as they release their first trailer. That doesn't mean you should or that they're anti-consumer. You're an adult, decide if you want to pre-order or not like a big boy. Like everyone else. in this case, I said, as the person I am speaking to inferred Bioware is conducing ab experiment in which they want us to be surprised by both gameplay and story when we play it....thus we should not be asked to preorder at all...and there should be no incentives to do so either.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 7, 2017 15:17:42 GMT
What are you talking about ? I can walk into Gamestop right now and pre-order The Last Of Us Part 2 if I want. I'm obviously not going to though because we know nothing about that game and have only seen a CGI trailer. Every developer/publisher wants you to pre-order as soon as they release their first trailer. That doesn't mean you should or that they're anti-consumer. You're an adult, decide if you want to pre-order or not like a big boy. Like everyone else. in th at case, as I said, as the person I am speaking to inferred Bioware is conducting a n experiment in which they want us to be surprised by both gameplay and story when we play it....thus we should not be asked to pre-order at all...and their should be no incentives to do so either. Except literally every game, from the moment it's announced, regardless of the way they're marketed, wants you to pre-order. Even if they were trying something experimental, which I don't agree with by the way. I just think they're playing this one rather close to the chest...anyway. Even if they were, why wouldn't it have pre-order bonuses like every triple A game ? Do you really think that sounds reasonable ? Because it's not, you're being completely foolish. I fixed up some of your grammar by the way.
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Post by trwisco on Feb 7, 2017 15:19:45 GMT
I change my argument to they need to release more info. Any new info. these little tidbits are not enough. give us something meaty to pick through and analyze. doesn't have to be story related. My excitement for this game is kinda going down a bit, probably from the twitter thread and reading all the stay tuned and soon responses.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 7, 2017 15:26:08 GMT
in th at case, as I said, as the person I am speaking to inferred Bioware is conducting a n experiment in which they want us to be surprised by both gameplay and story when we play it....thus we should not be asked to pre-order at all...and their should be no incentives to do so either. Except literally every game, from the moment it's announced, regardless of the way they're marketed, wants you to pre-order. Even if they were trying something experimental, which I don't agree with by the way. I just think they're playing this one rather close to the chest...anyway. Even if they were, why wouldn't it have pre-order bonuses like every triple A game ? Do you really think that sounds reasonable ? Because it's not, you're being completely foolish. I fixed up some of your grammar by the way. 1 I am on a cellphone... 2 you corrected Their erroneously, if you want to be a dick about such things you should at least do it properly. Back to the discussion. You do not agree they are conducting an experiment. Good for you. The person I was talking to did. If you disagree please feel free but it has been proven you can keep things close to the cheat and still offer gameplay video that spoils nothing will giving a clear idea of what one is walking into. Bioware is remaining silent about such matters, for a company in a business in which advertisement plays such a huge role this line generally means something is wrong.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 7, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
Except literally every game, from the moment it's announced, regardless of the way they're marketed, wants you to pre-order. Even if they were trying something experimental, which I don't agree with by the way. I just think they're playing this one rather close to the chest...anyway. Even if they were, why wouldn't it have pre-order bonuses like every triple A game ? Do you really think that sounds reasonable ? Because it's not, you're being completely foolish. I fixed up some of your grammar by the way. 1 I am on a cellphone... 2 you corrected Their erroneously, if you want to be a dick about such things you should at least do it properly. Back to the discussion. You do not agree they are conducting an experiment. Good for you. The person I was talking to did. If you disagree please feel free but it has been proven you can keep things close to the cheat and still offer gameplay video that spoils nothing will giving a clear idea of what one is walking into. Bioware is remaining silent about such matters, for a company in a business in which advertisement plays such a huge role this line generally means something is wrong. 1. I don't really care. 2. Yes, I am being a dick. They have released gameplay videos that spoil nothing. They're just apparently not good enough for you. However, I have heard from a reputable leaker on neogaf that we're supposed to be getting a lengthy gameplay video this month. It's from a leak and should be taken with a grain of salt, but keep an eye out. I've also heard that the media should be able to begin doing previews either in late February or early March. Even if all that fails. You're going to get 10 hours worth of footage from thousands of different people because they're doing early access on the 16th of March. That's why I'm being a dick. Because this is a non issue. If you don't like the marketing, if you think the game is going to suck. Then why are you here ? Just ignore the game like you would every other game you don't have interest in. You're going to get gameplay and previews before the 21st though. So again, non. Issue.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 7, 2017 15:50:24 GMT
1 I am on a cellphone... 2 you corrected Their erroneously, if you want to be a dick about such things you should at least do it properly. Back to the discussion. You do not agree they are conducting an experiment. Good for you. The person I was talking to did. If you disagree please feel free but it has been proven you can keep things close to the cheat and still offer gameplay video that spoils nothing will giving a clear idea of what one is walking into. Bioware is remaining silent about such matters, for a company in a business in which advertisement plays such a huge role this line generally means something is wrong. 1. I don't really care. 2. Yes, I am being a dick. They have released gameplay videos that spoil nothing. They're just apparently not good enough for you. However, I have heard from a reputable leaker on neogaf that we're supposed to be getting a lengthy gameplay video this month. It's from a leak and should be taken with a grain of salt, but keep an eye out. I've also heard that the media should be able to begin doing previews either in late February or early March. Even if all that fails. You're going to get 10 hours worth of footage from thousands of different people because they're doing early access on the 16th of March. That's why I'm being a dick. Because this is a non issue. If you don't like the marketing, if you think the game is going to suck. Then why are you here ? Just ignore the game like you would every other game you don't have interest in. You're going to get gameplay and previews before the 21st though. So again, non. Issue. please do point out where I said that the game is going to suck or that I dislike it (the game). Come on...I will wait. Spoiler alert: I expressed my concern about a common red flag in the gaming industry which might impact a facet of a game I actually like and want to be good. Oh oh...also I criticized the writing that lead us to an uncharted alien cluster with a weaponless ship and a weaponless rover. Yeah...I am not letting that one go either. Yes I consider the marketing to be less than optimal. News flash...Bioware's marketing is ALWAYS lackluster and apparently after years of being told so they are still not improving much (dear lord at least they canned the awesome button crap) and quite frankly I will keep commenting on it. No complaint = no improvement. Don't like it? Keep being a dick, but I doubt you will accomplish much since I will simply ignore you if that is all you are going to do.
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Post by lastpawn on Feb 7, 2017 15:55:43 GMT
in th at case, as I said, as the person I am speaking to inferred Bioware is conducting a n experiment in which they want us to be surprised by both gameplay and story when we play it....thus we should not be asked to pre-order at all...and their should be no incentives to do so either. Except literally every game, from the moment it's announced, regardless of the way they're marketed, wants you to pre-order. Even if they were trying something experimental, which I don't agree with by the way. I just think they're playing this one rather close to the chest...anyway. Even if they were, why wouldn't it have pre-order bonuses like every triple A game ? Do you really think that sounds reasonable ? Because it's not, you're being completely foolish. I fixed up some of your grammar by the way. Auch, that incorrect grammar "fix." When a thread devolves to that, maybe it should be safely locked away...
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Post by DayusMakhina on Feb 7, 2017 17:15:50 GMT
Except literally every game, from the moment it's announced, regardless of the way they're marketed, wants you to pre-order. Even if they were trying something experimental, which I don't agree with by the way. I just think they're playing this one rather close to the chest...anyway. Even if they were, why wouldn't it have pre-order bonuses like every triple A game ? Do you really think that sounds reasonable ? Because it's not, you're being completely foolish. I fixed up some of your grammar by the way. Auch, that incorrect grammar "fix." When a thread devolves to that, maybe it should be safely locked away... This thread deserved to be locked away the moment Bioware said that there would be a longer gameplay trailer and that they will be going into more of the gameplay specifics. Anyone that visits the twitter thread would be able to tell you that they have said that and thus there's really nothing more that needs to be said.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 7, 2017 17:39:59 GMT
Auch, that incorrect grammar "fix." When a thread devolves to that, maybe it should be safely locked away... This thread deserved to be locked away the moment Bioware said that there would be a longer gameplay trailer and that they will be going into more of the gameplay specifics. Anyone that visits the twitter thread would be able to tell you that they have said that and thus there's really nothing more that needs to be said. Agreed they have said that plus with the interface looking vastly different from one that they used i the trilogy it's pretty obvious the power system and everything needs explaining and how we switch and select our various powers and abilties. They said they would do this it's also been said that something big is coming our way in mid Feb so I assume this could be that but we'll have to wait and see. Perhaps one of the mods can lock this down.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 8, 2017 0:18:22 GMT
Why should an armored robot react to getting punched? Beside the possibility of the footage being from an earlier build that was likely bug ridden, why should a robot stagger? We've seen human sized enemies stagger already from melee, but why would a machine--something heavier than the humanoid enemies we'll be fighting--get staggered in the same manner? Punch a 200 pound person, and they'll stagger. Punch a 200 pound door, it probably won't. Anyway, yeah, the grand total of gameplay is probably 5-7 minutes, but that's more than enough to show you what running, shooting, taking cover, and jumping will look like. You don't need to witness someone playing through an area and skipping through cutscenes in the beginning of a crucial story mission or a sidequest in order to know what the game will offer. If it turns out the AI sucks ass, you won't find out from the video. If it turns out the areas are much smaller, you won't find out from the video. If you don't like the combat so far, you won't like it later. Am I going to hate seeing more footage? Hell no, I'm going to eat it all up like everyone else. Do I need more footage? Of course not. And chances are, anything they release with over a 10 minute run time will result in me skipping through it to avoid as much story and area hints as possible so I don't stumble into places knowing what I'll be doing already, but seeing someone shoot something for 15 minutes won't convince me of the game anymore than watching someone shoot for 3 did back in December. Agreed the only thing for me thast hey haven't done yet is explain the power system and how all that works other than that for me I think they've shown everything else that they need to entice me in as I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing. I assume that'll likely come in the 10-15 minute vid we've been promised but we'll see. Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2017 1:08:13 GMT
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Hm.... another info dump that may or may not be true.
Doesn't hurt to keep an eye open.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2017 1:13:21 GMT
This thread deserved to be locked away the moment Bioware said that there would be a longer gameplay trailer and that they will be going into more of the gameplay specifics. Anyone that visits the twitter thread would be able to tell you that they have said that and thus there's really nothing more that needs to be said. Agreed they have said that plus with the interface looking vastly different from one that they used i the trilogy it's pretty obvious the power system and everything needs explaining and how we switch and select our various powers and abilties. They said they would do this it's also been said that something big is coming our way in mid Feb so I assume this could be that but we'll have to wait and see. Perhaps one of the mods can lock this down. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Reminds me the way Bio went from DA2 mechanics to DA:I crapanics (my opinion).
Why this game studio insists on almost a total overhaul of the play mechanics in unnecessary areas remains a mystery. Improvements?... yes, absolutely. I guess it comes down to tamaeto, tomaato.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2017 1:15:58 GMT
Agreed the only thing for me thast hey haven't done yet is explain the power system and how all that works other than that for me I think they've shown everything else that they need to entice me in as I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing. I assume that'll likely come in the 10-15 minute vid we've been promised but we'll see. Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
That confirmation relies on pause, switch skill profile, then resume with your new powers, is my understanding of how you do it.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 8, 2017 1:16:56 GMT
Agreed the only thing for me thast hey haven't done yet is explain the power system and how all that works other than that for me I think they've shown everything else that they need to entice me in as I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing. I assume that'll likely come in the 10-15 minute vid we've been promised but we'll see. Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters. yeah we still will need to know how to use the extra powers though my guess on a mouse Keyboard setup it might be the same way as the trilogy but on console/joypad not so sure
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2017 1:20:49 GMT
Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters. yeah we still will need to know how to use the extra powers though my guess on a mouse Keyboard setup it might be the same way as the trilogy but on console/joypad not so sure ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
My 12 button mouse should be ample enough, assuming mouse button remapping can be done.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 8, 2017 1:23:49 GMT
yeah we still will need to know how to use the extra powers though my guess on a mouse Keyboard setup it might be the same way as the trilogy but on console/joypad not so sure ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
My 12 button mouse should be ample enough, assuming mouse button remapping can be done.
well we're not going t oknow for suer until they tell us or we get our hands on the game whichever happens first either way.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 8, 2017 4:01:39 GMT
I really don't know about this strategy EA has with ME:A's marketing. So they plan to kick the marketing of the game in full gear, 3 weeks before release? That seems pretty stupid imo. I guess it'd be one thing if March were a quite month, but I worry the marketing of this game is gonna get lost in the Horizon and Switch/Zelda release aftermath. It's a pretty busy time with two things that have a lot more hype than ME:A.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 5:05:43 GMT
Still better than Mirror's Edge: Catalyst marketing.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 8, 2017 5:22:19 GMT
Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
That confirmation relies on pause, switch skill profile, then resume with your new powers, is my understanding of how you do it.
I don't think they've said anything, other than the fact that we're not limited to just three powers. I really don't know about this strategy EA has with ME:A's marketing. So they plan to kick the marketing of the game in full gear, 3 weeks before release? That seems pretty stupid imo. I guess it'd be one thing if March were a quite month, but I worry the marketing of this game is gonna get lost in the Horizon and Switch/Zelda release aftermath. It's a pretty busy time with two things that have a lot more hype than ME:A. Movie marketing doesn't kick in until roughly the same amount of time, so the idea isn't entirely crazy, especially these days when people have multiple things vying for their attention and can easily pass on something because the information is coming too slow and it gets lost in their shuffle. For example, I forgot when exactly Tales of Beseria was set to release even though I was kind of aware of its existence, though not necessarily following it completely, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Something similar happens often enough with all games. By focusing toward the end, they can keep the game on people's minds. Yeah, it's kind of shitty, but a steady trickle over four months with a downpour of info toward the end is much better than the same amount of information being spaced out over the course of a year or longer.
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 8, 2017 7:13:49 GMT
Yup, powers are my biggest concern, but they've already confirmed that we won't be stuck with just three in the middle of combat, so while I would like to see that in action, it's not necessary for me to see it before release. Long as I'm able to do it is all that matters. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
That confirmation relies on pause, switch skill profile, then resume with your new powers, is my understanding of how you do it.
The tweet from Ian Frazier was a little ambiguous. I'm worried that a lot of people are getting their hopes up about accessing other powers in real time when he only meant what you've just said. I'm crossing my fingers that I'm wrong.
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