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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 11, 2017 15:17:25 GMT
No because we have no clue what Shepard will do as the new Catalyst aside from "Helping the many" or something. When he's renegade it's heavily implied he will be a dictator however. If you have only Wreav, no Eve and cured the Genophage he will say something about keeping the aggressors in check when necessary as it pans over the respective slide.
The main point of my calling it self-sacrificing for the greater good is due to the arbitrary and tired "synthetics vs organics" thing. I'm judging it based on what I think the developers put into the choice. They meant to say that Shepard continues the cycle and tries to see if he can find a better solution to the potential genocide caused by synthetics/organic wars than to automatically kill people every 50k years as a safety precaution and thus sustaining the cycle in some fashion as opposed to not believing that there is a danger and potentially leaving everyone to die by picking destroy (and EDI and the Geth of course), just so he can get things to be the way they used to in blissful ignorance of the future.
The Reapers are meant to prove that there is something out there that's beyond the scope the average organic can comprehend and so they're our safeguards. Neglecting them that role by destroying them and all other synthetics is to condemn the galaxy for a self-gratifying fix. I was always against the whole "Wow, BioWare switched the morality alignment to confuse us with the destroy and control endings!". No they didn't. Red is destroy because destroy is the narrow-minded, shortsighted and selfish decision.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 11, 2017 15:20:21 GMT
Hmm...so does the space hamster run through the ducts to remove EDI's shackles instead of Joker? Nope. Space hamster takes the shuttle back to his homeworld to help his species against the reapers. He helps the 82nd Airborne hamster unit on a very top-secret-double-hush-hush mission. After freeing all the hamsters being held captive, they destroy a capital ship by climbing up the thing and chewing on its exposed cables. Space hamster and the rest of the unit are heroes. When back on the Normandy, he is seen having a drink with Shepard telling her about his heroics.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 11, 2017 15:33:46 GMT
The Reapers are meant to prove that there is something out there that's beyond the scope the average organic can comprehend and so they're our safeguards. Neglecting them that role by destroying them and all other synthetics is to condemn the galaxy for a self-gratifying fix. I was always against the whole "Wow, BioWare switched the morality alignment to confuse us with the destroy and control endings!". No they didn't. Red is destroy because destroy is the narrow-minded, shortsighted and selfish decision. Refusal, to me, seems the narrow-minded and selfish decision. Destroy suggests I don't buy into the arguments of the Catalyst. That is, it believes it must harvest organic life to prevent synthetics from taking over, but Shepard doesn't believe it to be true. Shepard's own relationship with synthetics shows it doesn't have to be that way and that most of the problems he's seen stem from aggressive organics.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 11, 2017 15:57:05 GMT
If I didn't destroy the Geth and EDI that would've been what I got from it. However BioWare purposefully created negative sacrificial connotations to it just to justify it as the selfish choice and reinforce their idea that there apparently will be whatever problem the Catalyst was describing.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 11, 2017 16:51:56 GMT
Avoiding the obvious... ME3- I would have loved to have faced indoctrinated enemies instead of fuglies ALL of the time in the Reaper missions. Imagine fighting off alliance troops in the London mission (maybe a human wave of unarmed civilians), or Asari on Thessia. The game banged on about indoctrination then hardly bothered to show it. They also could have made Cerberus a bit more realistic by re-skinning Cerberus troops on some missions as mercenaries. I never had a problem with Cerberus being rich so hiring mercs for some missions makes a lot more in-game sense than creating your own army. And change Edi into a more realistically proportioned woman rather than the pathetic fan service sex bot we actually got. Just embarrassing to see her on screen. And Ashley, give her back her bun and attitude from ME1. More 'lets appeal to the basement dwellers' crap. Well beauty of Indoctrination is that, We can have a healthy variety of enemies of all stripes, without depending on Cerberus in every other turn. For example, Remember the Indoctrinated Hanar sidequest having a several more on the Citadel ranging sabotage to suicide bombings to Assassination of major characters. Also remember the turian squad on Tuchanka, well maybe they gotten indoctrinated and strive to do much damage to the Turian/Krogan potential alliance. Also Asari temple that you can meet Samara at, well having an Asari commando unit as an indoctrinat3eenemy for that mission. Well having indoctrinated enemies where they make sense will be helpful. Fighting Indoctrinated Krogans and Turians on Tuchanka might be a fun challenge. Also Fighting Indoctrinated Quarians and Geth on Rannoch. Yes I would have an Alliance Admiral sending N7 Squads to stop Shepard. Well Personally I will tied all of them plotlines to Henry Lawson and Sanctuary.
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Post by Toledo wombat on Feb 11, 2017 18:46:46 GMT
Actual missions where you found the stuff/war assets in ME3. So instead of scanning a planet to find a random military unit you rescued them by shooting reaper troops or had to explore the planet to find the random artifact. I really really wanted to actually help evacuate the Elcor from Dekunna. I just miss the Mako, although I'd let you pick between the Mako, Hammerhead or Kodiak if it suits you.
More for the ME2 gang to do in ME3 More interaction with Shep's LI, especially if carried over from previous game(s), no matter who he or she may be. If you romanced Kelly, Miranda, Jack or Samara, or even just made them your best friends, get them on the Normandy as a squadmate. Yup, even Jacob, although it could be awkward. Not sure if it could work with Thane.
Have Samara really try to kill you if you're enough of a renegade or make her do dishonourable things, like she threatens. Not that I've ever tried, but I assume she doesn't.
Have "refuse" actually work if you've managed to save the galaxy on Multiplayer during your playthrough and gotten a high War Asset quota. They whole way you're beating the Reapers across the galaxy, but sorry folks, you still can't win unless Shepard picks an appropriate option doesn't make sense. You should still be able to get the three RGB endings without MP, but since MP proves you can beat the Reapers through conventional means, you should be able to defeat the Reapers that way.
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Post by capn233 on Feb 11, 2017 21:10:30 GMT
Yeah, whatever happened with that super weapon? Wasn't there something about tracing it back to the system of origin or something? Was that the same weapon that blasted a huge ravine in one of the planets? (Again, apologies. It's been a while and I'm running of memory.) I remember in ME1 there is a planet you scan that has a huge scar from some weapon, then in ME3 (i believe) you scan it again and it gives you some extra details. Yes, it is the one that created the impact on Klendagon. Cerberus tracked it down and used the location to figure out where the derelict Reaper (its target) was located. But TIM says the weapon was now defunct (it was 37 million years old).
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Post by capn233 on Feb 11, 2017 21:15:09 GMT
Before it came out I sort of wanted them to make us choose between Cerberus and the Council / Alliance at the start of ME3, and have that somewhat affect the campaign and potentially which squadmates were available. But turns out Cerberus was just a gigantic evil organization all along. So much for EDI's info on them.
Other than that, Miranda should have been a crew member from nearly the beginning. Recruited when she sends you the first message in the game would work. Her subplot was kind of silly and it would have been more interesting to have her on Normandy as a foil to the VS.
Speaking of which, they probably didn't need to injure and sideline the VS just so they could conveniently be around for the Coup.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 1:04:14 GMT
Them not dumb down the Geth. They got VI's right but anything AI related including EDI was dumbed down severely unless it was plot related.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 1:05:02 GMT
Before it came out I sort of wanted them to make us choose between Cerberus and the Council / Alliance at the start of ME3, and have that somewhat affect the campaign and potentially which squadmates were available. But turns out Cerberus was just a gigantic evil organization all along. So much for EDI's info on them. You were not paying attention in ME 2 were you?
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 1:16:41 GMT
I wish we didn't have to go through Liara in order to recruit two party members in ME:2. And I wish she didn't act like my Shepards best friend/lover whenever they interact. The bloke was nothing but mean to her in ME:1, and wouldn't trust her as far as he could throw her.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 1:34:44 GMT
I wish we didn't have to go through Liara in order to recruit two party members in ME:2. And I wish she didn't act like my Shepards best friend/lover whenever they interact. The bloke was nothing but mean to her in ME:1, and wouldn't trust her as far as he could throw her. Irrational anger is irrational.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 1:37:01 GMT
I wish we didn't have to go through Liara in order to recruit two party members in ME:2. And I wish she didn't act like my Shepards best friend/lover whenever they interact. The bloke was nothing but mean to her in ME:1, and wouldn't trust her as far as he could throw her. Irrational anger is irrational. Who's angry?
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 1:40:07 GMT
Irrational anger is irrational. Who's angry? Apparently you and your Shepard.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 1:47:28 GMT
Apparently you and your Shepard. Please don't make assumptions about my mood, that's just rude. And as for MY Shepard.... I'll role-play him however I see fit, which in most cases, doesn't include trusting the daughter of his enemy.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 2:07:30 GMT
Apparently you and your Shepard. Please don't make assumptions about my mood, that's just rude. And as for MY Shepard.... I'll role-play him however I see fit, which in most cases, doesn't include trusting the daughter of his enemy. Well making Assumptions is Gothpunkboy's thing. If you deal with him in the future, that his assumptions are his thing and being on the haughty side of things is the normal for him. For example, I have a thing for psycho bunnies and Cerberus Phantoms.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 2:09:44 GMT
Please don't make assumptions about my mood, that's just rude. And as for MY Shepard.... I'll role-play him however I see fit, which in most cases, doesn't include trusting the daughter of his enemy. Well making Assumptions is Gothpunkboy's thing. If you deal with him in the future, that his assumptions are his thing and being on the haughty side of things is the normal for him. For example, I have a thing for psycho bunnies and Cerberus Phantoms. Yeah I've noticed this from reading some of his other post's on the forums.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2017 2:19:35 GMT
Before it came out I sort of wanted them to make us choose between Cerberus and the Council / Alliance at the start of ME3, and have that somewhat affect the campaign and potentially which squadmates were available. But turns out Cerberus was just a gigantic evil organization all along. So much for EDI's info on them. You were not paying attention in ME 2 were you? Or ME1, where Cerberus was also evil.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 2:20:35 GMT
Apparently you and your Shepard. Please don't make assumptions about my mood, that's just rude. And as for MY Shepard.... I'll role-play him however I see fit, which in most cases, doesn't include trusting the daughter of his enemy. Shepard is the result of your mentality. The game doesn't auto make the choices you make the choices. If Shepard is an A hole in the game it is because you want him to be an A hole. Because you think that action is correct. So my statement stands both you and your Shepard are irrationally angry to be irrational. Particularly when you rationalize it as simply because Liara is Beniza's Daughter she is automatically an enemy that must be hated. That is the kind of irrational logic that racists use to justify their logic.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 2:23:53 GMT
Please don't make assumptions about my mood, that's just rude. And as for MY Shepard.... I'll role-play him however I see fit, which in most cases, doesn't include trusting the daughter of his enemy. Shepard is the result of your mentality. The game doesn't auto make the choices you make the choices. If Shepard is an A hole in the game it is because you want him to be an A hole. Because you think that action is correct. So my statement stands both you and your Shepard are irrationally angry to be irrational. Particularly when you rationalize it as simply because Liara is Beniza's Daughter she is automatically an enemy that must be hated. That is the kind of irrational logic that racists use to justify their logic. It's called ROLE-PLAYING!
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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 2:35:34 GMT
to Gothpunkboy, what if Liara is just a bad character? for example, me, themikefest and others don't like Liara due to she is not a good character. Well I do have respect and Admiration for Samara the Justicar due to what she is. So not all asari are the same. Well Just because someone is your enemy, it doesn't mean that hate is involved. For example, with Liara, a pull of a parent is hard on their child and sometimes saving a parent can be irrational, doubly so if you are dealing with an unknown like Liara when you recruit her. Just because someone puts on a nice face, it doesn't mean they are nice.
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Post by opuspace on Feb 12, 2017 2:37:30 GMT
Shepard is the result of your mentality. The game doesn't auto make the choices you make the choices. If Shepard is an A hole in the game it is because you want him to be an A hole. Because you think that action is correct. So my statement stands both you and your Shepard are irrationally angry to be irrational. Particularly when you rationalize it as simply because Liara is Beniza's Daughter she is automatically an enemy that must be hated. That is the kind of irrational logic that racists use to justify their logic. It's called ROLE-PLAYING! I agree, there's lots of reasons not to like a teammate. Liara does go behind Shepard's back to look up personal information, which is going to rub people the wrong way. Sometimes it can just be a matter of personality where someone's Shep is just naturally wary and it's not personal. Suspicion doesn't mean racism, though it would have been nice to have teammates remember when Shepard didn't want their personal space invaded by the second game. I think what would have cracked me up is if you screw over a teammate enough times, they'll passive aggressively retaliate against Shepard. Denying Tali the chance to download a copy of the Geth data and then selling out Veetor should have her upping her recruitment conditions where Shepard has to go an extra mile to convince her to join the team.
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Post by capn233 on Feb 12, 2017 2:42:53 GMT
Before it came out I sort of wanted them to make us choose between Cerberus and the Council / Alliance at the start of ME3, and have that somewhat affect the campaign and potentially which squadmates were available. But turns out Cerberus was just a gigantic evil organization all along. So much for EDI's info on them. You were not paying attention in ME 2 were you? Yeah, I never played the trilogy at all.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 2:44:39 GMT
It's called ROLE-PLAYING! I agree, there's lots of reasons not to like a teammate. Liara does go behind Shepard's back to look up personal information, which is going to rub people the wrong way. Sometimes it can just be a matter of personality where someone's Shep is just naturally wary and it's not personal. Suspicion doesn't mean racism, though it would have been nice to have teammates remember when Shepard didn't want their personal space invaded by the second game. I think what would have cracked me up is if you screw over a teammate enough times, they'll passive aggressively retaliate against Shepard. Denying Tali the chance to download a copy of the Geth data and then selling out Veetor should have her upping her recruitment conditions where Shepard has to go an extra mile to convince her to join the team. This is exactly how it is with my latest Shepard. He's Earth Born and as a result, is naturally wary and suspicious of people. He has no way of knowing if Liara is trust worthy or not, so he keeps her at arms length. If that makes him an arsehole, so be it. He's mine to Role-play, no one elses.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 12, 2017 3:09:19 GMT
Too bad I couldn't talk mean to Liara in ME2/3 like I did in ME1 when I told her I wanted to throw her back in the volcano.
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