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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 3:18:23 GMT
Too bad I couldn't talk mean to Liara in ME2/3 like I did in ME1 when I told her I wanted to throw her back in the volcano. I do think it would be funny if she gotten indoctrinated(think of the outrage and the lolz) and we gotten to say some version of throwing her blue ass in the volcano due to she gotten herself indoctrinated. Well having unexpected major characters getting indoctrinated to explain the insidious nature of Indoctrination is something I would add like I said before. Also by not having Indoctrination immunity for all characters would be a must for me. Well able to destroy Reaper Death Camp and see the nightmare fuel nature of them is what I will add.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 3:24:03 GMT
You were not paying attention in ME 2 were you? Yeah, I never played the trilogy at all. Never mentioned the trilogy. Simply asked if you paid attention to ME 2? Because there are a lot of red flags there.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 3:26:31 GMT
Shepard is the result of your mentality. The game doesn't auto make the choices you make the choices. If Shepard is an A hole in the game it is because you want him to be an A hole. Because you think that action is correct. So my statement stands both you and your Shepard are irrationally angry to be irrational. Particularly when you rationalize it as simply because Liara is Beniza's Daughter she is automatically an enemy that must be hated. That is the kind of irrational logic that racists use to justify their logic. It's called ROLE-PLAYING! You should realize this by now if you role play at all that people have this tendency to role play roles and acts that they themselves like or enjoy. And while some will inevitably play the opposite of that for trophy or just to see the dialogue. Not met anyone who actually holds any real care for the opposite of what you could consider their default role play for the game. Take Themmikefest as an example. That is someone who hates Liara a lot. And is someone who has played the trilogy forward to back, side to side, back to front, etc, etc. Given the infinite possible changes that could be brought up I do not think he would pick as something he would change would be to make Liara even shittier a character. He would rather improve the character to his own views of improvement or out right remove the character. I highly doubt that he would say you know all these aspects I dislike about her character. Lets do that but more of it. Because you are given the ability to suggest changes you could see limited only by your imagination and willingness to type them out. And out of all that potential you post about how your Shepard is a total dick and the game doesn't quite fit your dick actions 100%. That is why I said irrational anger is irrational. It is irrational for Shepard to act that way in the game by any stretch of logic. And out of all the points and issues there are with the game to pick that small almost insignificant point in the grand scheme of the trilogy to be the one thing you talk about as needing to be changed. Even my rather small bit on this thread about the Geth and in deed all synthetics not being handicapped unless it is plot relevant has rather important part to over all story. Because it seems most issue players have with the ending is the fact the Geth and Synthetics in general seem like they are exactly like other organic life. But they aren't because when you see the few times they are allowed to shine it shows how much more then organic life they are. But all that is over shadowed by the generalized view of them that you see 95% of the time as being equals if not slightly more stupid then regular organic life. Thus threat potential the Catalyst is talking about never seems to manifest. Hence why my irrational anger is irrational comment. Referring both to Shepard's actions towards Liara being completely irrational and not supported by anything in the game. And out of the near infinite things you would change about the game you pick Liara not being the one you recruit Thane and Samara though as a few seconds and then gone moment because you choose to be a dick to her in ME 1.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 3:38:25 GMT
It's called ROLE-PLAYING! You should realize this by now if you role play at all that people have this tendency to role play roles and acts that they themselves like or enjoy. And while some will inevitably play the opposite of that for trophy or just to see the dialogue. Not met anyone who actually holds any real care for the opposite of what you could consider their default role play for the game. Take Themmikefest as an example. That is someone who hates Liara a lot. And is someone who has played the trilogy forward to back, side to side, back to front, etc, etc. Given the infinite possible changes that could be brought up I do not think he would pick as something he would change would be to make Liara even shittier a character. He would rather improve the character to his own views of improvement or out right remove the character. I highly doubt that he would say you know all these aspects I dislike about her character. Lets do that but more of it. Because you are given the ability to suggest changes you could see limited only by your imagination and willingness to type them out. And out of all that potential you post about how your Shepard is a total dick and the game doesn't quite fit your dick actions 100%. That is why I said irrational anger is irrational. It is irrational for Shepard to act that way in the game by any stretch of logic. And out of all the points and issues there are with the game to pick that small almost insignificant point in the grand scheme of the trilogy to be the one thing you talk about as needing to be changed. Even my rather small bit on this thread about the Geth and in deed all synthetics not being handicapped unless it is plot relevant has rather important part to over all story. Because it seems most issue players have with the ending is the fact the Geth and Synthetics in general seem like they are exactly like other organic life. But they aren't because when you see the few times they are allowed to shine it shows how much more then organic life they are. But all that is over shadowed by the generalized view of them that you see 95% of the time as being equals if not slightly more stupid then regular organic life. Thus threat potential the Catalyst is talking about never seems to manifest. Hence why my irrational anger is irrational comment. Referring both to Shepard's actions towards Liara being completely irrational and not supported by anything in the game. And out of the near infinite things you would change about the game you pick Liara not being the one you recruit Thane and Samara though as a few seconds and then gone moment because you choose to be a dick to her in ME 1. No it isn't. She *IS* the daughter of his enemy. He doesn't know whether she can be trusted or not. And being mistrustful does NOT = someone being a dick. Now go troll someone else.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 3:48:33 GMT
You should realize this by now if you role play at all that people have this tendency to role play roles and acts that they themselves like or enjoy. And while some will inevitably play the opposite of that for trophy or just to see the dialogue. Not met anyone who actually holds any real care for the opposite of what you could consider their default role play for the game. Take Themmikefest as an example. That is someone who hates Liara a lot. And is someone who has played the trilogy forward to back, side to side, back to front, etc, etc. Given the infinite possible changes that could be brought up I do not think he would pick as something he would change would be to make Liara even shittier a character. He would rather improve the character to his own views of improvement or out right remove the character. I highly doubt that he would say you know all these aspects I dislike about her character. Lets do that but more of it. Because you are given the ability to suggest changes you could see limited only by your imagination and willingness to type them out. And out of all that potential you post about how your Shepard is a total dick and the game doesn't quite fit your dick actions 100%. That is why I said irrational anger is irrational. It is irrational for Shepard to act that way in the game by any stretch of logic. And out of all the points and issues there are with the game to pick that small almost insignificant point in the grand scheme of the trilogy to be the one thing you talk about as needing to be changed. Even my rather small bit on this thread about the Geth and in deed all synthetics not being handicapped unless it is plot relevant has rather important part to over all story. Because it seems most issue players have with the ending is the fact the Geth and Synthetics in general seem like they are exactly like other organic life. But they aren't because when you see the few times they are allowed to shine it shows how much more then organic life they are. But all that is over shadowed by the generalized view of them that you see 95% of the time as being equals if not slightly more stupid then regular organic life. Thus threat potential the Catalyst is talking about never seems to manifest. Hence why my irrational anger is irrational comment. Referring both to Shepard's actions towards Liara being completely irrational and not supported by anything in the game. And out of the near infinite things you would change about the game you pick Liara not being the one you recruit Thane and Samara though as a few seconds and then gone moment because you choose to be a dick to her in ME 1. No it isn't. She *IS* the daughter of his enemy. He doesn't know whether she can be trusted or not. And being mistrustful does NOT = someone being a dick. Now go troll someone else. Midnightwolf, do you want popcorn? Lets face it gothpunkboy wants to be always right, he is a supposedly paragon of our kind and perfect in all of his knowledge and wisdom. so let him flail to whatever he wants.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 3:55:22 GMT
No it isn't. She *IS* the daughter of his enemy. He doesn't know whether she can be trusted or not. And being mistrustful does NOT = someone being a dick. Now go troll someone else. Midnightwolf, do you want popcorn? Lets face it gothpunkboy wants to be always right, he is a supposedly paragon of our kind and perfect in all of his knowledge and wisdom. so let him flail to whatever he wants. Popcorn would be great. I'll grab the Coke and cookies.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 4:03:55 GMT
Midnightwolf, do you want popcorn? Lets face it gothpunkboy wants to be always right, he is a supposedly paragon of our kind and perfect in all of his knowledge and wisdom. so let him flail to whatever he wants. Popcorn would be great. I'll grab the Coke and cookies. I like chocolate covered cookies and I will bring York mint paddies and Rootbeer and Dr Pepper as well.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 6:03:11 GMT
You should realize this by now if you role play at all that people have this tendency to role play roles and acts that they themselves like or enjoy. And while some will inevitably play the opposite of that for trophy or just to see the dialogue. Not met anyone who actually holds any real care for the opposite of what you could consider their default role play for the game. Take Themmikefest as an example. That is someone who hates Liara a lot. And is someone who has played the trilogy forward to back, side to side, back to front, etc, etc. Given the infinite possible changes that could be brought up I do not think he would pick as something he would change would be to make Liara even shittier a character. He would rather improve the character to his own views of improvement or out right remove the character. I highly doubt that he would say you know all these aspects I dislike about her character. Lets do that but more of it. Because you are given the ability to suggest changes you could see limited only by your imagination and willingness to type them out. And out of all that potential you post about how your Shepard is a total dick and the game doesn't quite fit your dick actions 100%. That is why I said irrational anger is irrational. It is irrational for Shepard to act that way in the game by any stretch of logic. And out of all the points and issues there are with the game to pick that small almost insignificant point in the grand scheme of the trilogy to be the one thing you talk about as needing to be changed. Even my rather small bit on this thread about the Geth and in deed all synthetics not being handicapped unless it is plot relevant has rather important part to over all story. Because it seems most issue players have with the ending is the fact the Geth and Synthetics in general seem like they are exactly like other organic life. But they aren't because when you see the few times they are allowed to shine it shows how much more then organic life they are. But all that is over shadowed by the generalized view of them that you see 95% of the time as being equals if not slightly more stupid then regular organic life. Thus threat potential the Catalyst is talking about never seems to manifest. Hence why my irrational anger is irrational comment. Referring both to Shepard's actions towards Liara being completely irrational and not supported by anything in the game. And out of the near infinite things you would change about the game you pick Liara not being the one you recruit Thane and Samara though as a few seconds and then gone moment because you choose to be a dick to her in ME 1. No it isn't. She *IS* the daughter of his enemy. He doesn't know whether she can be trusted or not. And being mistrustful does NOT = someone being a dick. Now go troll someone else. Your right mistrustful=/= being a dick. How ever The bloke was nothing but mean to her in ME:1, and wouldn't trust her as far as he could throw her. You out right say Shepard was nothing but mean to her. So I'm using the correct terminology. I'm not trolling. People like to rush to the troll complaint which is amusing. If I could get a free pass from all forum mod punishment I would gladly spend an day actually trolling so people can tell the difference. How ever the irony of your complaint about the game not recognizing how much of a dick you were to her in ME 2 and adjust the character relationship as well. Would also mean in ME 1 she would very well leave the Normandy before she could provide the assistance that is required to beat the game. Leading to a game over screen and ultimately Saren and Sovereign's plan being for filled. And even beyond that without her care for you which wouldn't develop if you were nothing but mean you would remain a corpse in ME 2 collected by the Collectors resulting in a second win for the Reapers.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 6:13:02 GMT
No it isn't. She *IS* the daughter of his enemy. He doesn't know whether she can be trusted or not. And being mistrustful does NOT = someone being a dick. Now go troll someone else. Your right mistrustful=/= being a dick. How ever The bloke was nothing but mean to her in ME:1, and wouldn't trust her as far as he could throw her. You out right say Shepard was nothing but mean to her. So I'm using the correct terminology. I'm not trolling. People like to rush to the troll complaint which is amusing. If I could get a free pass from all forum mod punishment I would gladly spend an day actually trolling so people can tell the difference. How ever the irony of your complaint about the game not recognizing how much of a dick you were to her in ME 2 and adjust the character relationship as well. Would also mean in ME 1 she would very well leave the Normandy before she could provide the assistance that is required to beat the game. Leading to a game over screen and ultimately Saren and Sovereign's plan being for filled. And even beyond that without her care for you which wouldn't develop if you were nothing but mean you would remain a corpse in ME 2 collected by the Collectors resulting in a second win for the Reapers. Why don't you get it through your head, that I will play MY game how I WANT, and nothing you say is going to make me play differently?!
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Post by Lavochkin on Feb 12, 2017 7:27:05 GMT
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 7:44:14 GMT
Your right mistrustful=/= being a dick. How ever You out right say Shepard was nothing but mean to her. So I'm using the correct terminology. I'm not trolling. People like to rush to the troll complaint which is amusing. If I could get a free pass from all forum mod punishment I would gladly spend an day actually trolling so people can tell the difference. How ever the irony of your complaint about the game not recognizing how much of a dick you were to her in ME 2 and adjust the character relationship as well. Would also mean in ME 1 she would very well leave the Normandy before she could provide the assistance that is required to beat the game. Leading to a game over screen and ultimately Saren and Sovereign's plan being for filled. And even beyond that without her care for you which wouldn't develop if you were nothing but mean you would remain a corpse in ME 2 collected by the Collectors resulting in a second win for the Reapers. Why don't you get it through your head, that I will play MY game how I WANT, and nothing you say is going to make me play differently?! By all means play your game the way you want. I never said that you couldn't or that you should change. Just that given the chain of events that take place in not only ME 1 but between ME 1 and 2 and ME 2 that your actions and desire to see things change are illogical. Best case scenario you would get to play one game in the trilogy and have to create a new one to play ME 2 which by default would revert the change you want to allow the game to happen. Worst case you would literally stone wall yourself half way though ME 1 before getting game over screen. Is someone literally applying only the slightest bit of analysis of your idea and seeing how it would play out against canon events that take place in the game and see that it results in nothing but bad. Really that upsetting for you? Why? I'm genuinely curious why some people can't seem to handle someone telling them their opinion is wrong without getting upset. If you see something I post you don't think is right or sounds stupid feel free to come out swinging at me over it. Hell I won't even care about your choice of language short of racial/sexual orientation or gender based insults because those are just rude to make grand negative assumptions about an entire group.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 12, 2017 8:06:57 GMT
Why don't you get it through your head, that I will play MY game how I WANT, and nothing you say is going to make me play differently?! By all means play your game the way you want. I never said that you couldn't or that you should change. Just that given the chain of events that take place in not only ME 1 but between ME 1 and 2 and ME 2 that your actions and desire to see things change are illogical. Best case scenario you would get to play one game in the trilogy and have to create a new one to play ME 2 which by default would revert the change you want to allow the game to happen. Worst case you would literally stone wall yourself half way though ME 1 before getting game over screen. Is someone literally applying only the slightest bit of analysis of your idea and seeing how it would play out against canon events that take place in the game and see that it results in nothing but bad. Really that upsetting for you? Why? I'm genuinely curious why some people can't seem to handle someone telling them their opinion is wrong without getting upset. If you see something I post you don't think is right or sounds stupid feel free to come out swinging at me over it. Hell I won't even care about your choice of language short of racial/sexual orientation or gender based insults because those are just rude to make grand negative assumptions about an entire group. First of all, This thread is about things you wish happened - as per the title Things you wish would've happened in the trilogy. And, I like many others, wish for less interaction with Liara. There is no logical reason behind her being the one to direct you to two party members, other than the writters hard on for her and a desire to thrust her at us, at every turn. Second -see bolded part in your post- That is something I would never do, despite your best efforts to bait me, and your own assumptions that I'm an angry Woman simply because I Role-play my Shepard as mistrusting Liara. I'm not discussing this with you any further, because all your doing is derailing an otherwise decent thread!
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Post by themikefest on Feb 12, 2017 12:44:57 GMT
Interesting.
Without the prothean scientists altering the signal, the reapers win. Had the reapers not been made stupid in ME3, reapers win.
In ME1 she mentions Ilos. She didn't need to be a squadmate for that. The other thing is how did Saren find out about Ilos? If he didn't need Liara, why would Shepard need her?
Without Cerberus and Feron, she would never have been able to give the body to Cerberus. Cerberus could have easily got the corpse without her being involved. Bioware put her there for........reasons.
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Post by Hawke on Feb 12, 2017 12:46:39 GMT
An opportunity to facestab Hackett (perfectly reasonable thing to do), the zombie kid from Earth and the Illusive Man (his monologue is unskippable and fairly annoying).
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 12, 2017 12:49:59 GMT
Two things I was thinking of after starting ME2 again:
Light, medium and heavy armour in ME2 and ME3. It bothers me a little that all playable classes wear the same bulky armour, while some of your teammates are going around in nothing (looking at you Jack!). I'd have kept the same armour restrictions from ME1, or at least give you the choice.
I also wish we had more freedom over what order we recruit our squad in ME2. I've seen videos where people have modded their game to bring teammates on missions where they normally wouldn't be able to, like bringing Tali to Garrus' recruitment mission and hear some unused dialog between them.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Feb 12, 2017 15:05:38 GMT
Two things I was thinking of after starting ME2 again: Light, medium and heavy armour in ME2 and ME3. [...] I'd have kept the same armour restrictions from ME1, or at least give you the choice. I'd have sorta gone the other way: I'd have liked caster classes to be able to unlock medium armour in ME1, simply because I'm not a fan of the light armour "space pyjamas" look.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2017 15:43:14 GMT
The one obvious thing I would have done differently was allow my BroShep to romance Kaidan in ME1. Probably wouldn't have killed off Shepard in ME2 and had him resurrected by Cerberus. Or, if it did happen, at least have him bring evidence to the Council and allow the Council to agree that it was worth investigating the Collectors. The Council would still have had you working undercover with Cerberus because they're not welcome in the Terminus Systems. That would be why you had to have an all-new squad in ME2. That being the case, I suppose I'd leave out Garrus and Tali in ME2 in order to further the idea that Shepard had gone rogue. But I would have let him, when on the Citadel, pass along a message or two to his old squadmates so they don't think he's a traitor.
I wouldn't have used the Catalyst in any way, shape or form in ME3. OK, I take that back. It would have been something along the lines of a firing mechanism for the Crucible. I guess it probably wouldn't be a galaxy-wide wave, either. I'd imagine it as something powerful enough to destroy Reapers. This would allow the forces gathered to make a difference. Having brought ships and people together as a fighting force to sweep up whatever smaller stuff the Crucible wasn't getting. This would avoid destroying all synthetics and would avoid Synthesis. I suppose it would end up being a modified version of Control with maybe Shepard guiding the Crucible. At the end, the Reapers are dead (mostly, I suppose, since it wouldn't have the far-reaching effects of the waves), the husks stop receiving orders and become inert and we have a weapon to use should any surviving Reapers return. It would also be powerful enough to keep the Leviathans at bay. More importantly, Shepard doesn't have to die. The Paragon/Renegade/Neutral options could be about what Shepard does with the Crucible at the end: turn it over to the Council, to the Alliance or destroy it. Cerberus probably wouldn't be present at all unless as indoctrinated agents, but they wouldn't be any more present than the indoctrinated forces of the asari, turians, salarians and humans.
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Post by capn233 on Feb 12, 2017 15:45:02 GMT
Yeah, I never played the trilogy at all. Never mentioned the trilogy. Simply asked if you paid attention to ME 2? Because there are a lot of red flags there. Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 12, 2017 16:05:05 GMT
Never mentioned the trilogy. Simply asked if you paid attention to ME 2? Because there are a lot of red flags there. Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too. I'm pretty sure the indoctrination/partial huskification was where those troopers came from. The mission to Benning originally (when you get it) said that Cerberus was there recruiting but later (when you go there) said they were abducting people against their will. Then, on Horizon, we see that Cerberus was actually turning people into husks. I say that it's not that Cerberus hired an unlimited army but that they used partial huskification combined with Henry Lawson learning how to control them to create this army. They weren't willing subjects (or, if we go by data pads found at times, they didn't understand what was going on) which is why it worked.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 12, 2017 16:47:10 GMT
I do have the book Mass Effect Retribution, well Cerberus did take a massive hit in man power and money wise. So them having money after Rebuilding Shepard, Making a Normandy twice as big as the original and actions of Paul Greyson, them having a massive fleet in such short order is highly impossible unless they can jump universe and ask Darth Revan/Malak to borrow the Star Forge for a bit.
Well I would have several side quests to give players the option to help Rebuild Cerberus and have a heavier appearance of Henry Lawson as a charming villain. Type of villain that charisma rivals Revan and T.I.M and other charismatic characters where the players want to join him. Yes because ME3 is supposed to be dark, have him use both of his daughters to spawn more biotic Reaper Husks. Plenty of torture and screaming.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 12, 2017 17:08:47 GMT
Never mentioned the trilogy. Simply asked if you paid attention to ME 2? Because there are a lot of red flags there. Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too. Kidnapping and proto indoctrination/husk creation doesn't play into it? TIM doesn't trust EDI enough let her exist without physical blocks on her system.
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Post by capn233 on Feb 13, 2017 0:23:52 GMT
Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too. I'm pretty sure the indoctrination/partial huskification was where those troopers came from. The mission to Benning originally (when you get it) said that Cerberus was there recruiting but later (when you go there) said they were abducting people against their will. Then, on Horizon, we see that Cerberus was actually turning people into husks. I say that it's not that Cerberus hired an unlimited army but that they used partial huskification combined with Henry Lawson learning how to control them to create this army. They weren't willing subjects (or, if we go by data pads found at times, they didn't understand what was going on) which is why it worked. Right, I am aware of the explanation, but it seems far fetched that they can simply ride the wave of sympathy from the Collector mission to become one of the larger and more effective fighting forces in the galaxy in 6 months, such that they can essentially become the antagonist for most of the last game. Indoctrinating volunteers and conscripts does not explain their fleet, fighters, weapons, etc. As far as Lawson's project, we don't really even see any Husks deployed by Cerberus anywhere, just augmented human soldiers. They probably were all used on Horizon for research into Reaper control. Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too. Kidnapping and proto indoctrination/husk creation doesn't play into it? TIM doesn't trust EDI enough let her exist without physical blocks on her system. EDI does not answer questions about Cerberus's structure, resources, development of SR1 or SR2, etc until the blocks are removed. TIM's trust is irrelevant, that is clear from conversations before and after the blocks are removed. Cerberus pre-ME3 scientific activities aren't really that far removed from anything we saw from ExoGeni or Binary Helix, both of which were not controlled by Cerberus when they experimented with the Thorian, or developed the rachni as a bioweapon. Nevermind that the Alliance has never been morally pure, or that one of Shepard's profiles could have been called "war criminal." All that said, I found the scale and scope of Cerberus operations in ME3 more incredulous then dropping any ambiguity with respect to their morality.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Feb 13, 2017 0:30:03 GMT
Like when EDI says Cerberus has 150 agents and operators. And then they have unlimited troopers and a large fleet in a few months via space magic. Whether or not they are actually evil was not decided until ME3. They are such a minor part of ME1 that at best you can say they are ruthless. You can find red flags for the Systems Alliance if you look, maybe they are evil too. Kidnapping and proto indoctrination/husk creation doesn't play into it? TIM doesn't trust EDI enough let her exist without physical blocks on her system. And obviously TIM also managed to huskify entire shipyards to build a better fleet than the Turians, Asari, and Salarians; thousands and thousands of suits of unique armor and weapons on a massive scale despite the reapers cutting off every supply line and conquering pretty much every cluster in the galaxy.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 0:36:13 GMT
Appearances and bangs with Gianna Parasini and Shiala in ME3. Yeah, I really wanted to bang Shiala after that little bit of flirting in ME2. Also Emily Wong. I wish a fan could get ahold of her actress and get her to record all Diana Allers' dialogue but replacing her name with Emily Wong and Alliance News Network with Citadel News Network and then replace the model with Emily. Too bad she died on Twitter
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Feb 13, 2017 1:06:53 GMT
Kidnapping and proto indoctrination/husk creation doesn't play into it? TIM doesn't trust EDI enough let her exist without physical blocks on her system. And obviously TIM also managed to huskify entire shipyards to build a better fleet than the Turians, Asari, and Salarians; thousands and thousands of suits of unique armor and weapons on a massive scale despite the reapers cutting off every supply line and conquering pretty much every cluster in the galaxy. And yet the basis of it is they salvaged the tech from the collector base. Thus giving them a massive tech boost compared to rest of the galaxy. Maybe take a page out of the Collector's book and attack colonies in the Terminus system to forcibly recruit soldiers and workers. Honestly not that much of a stretch considering Cerberus never takes any direct attacks on anything besides Citadel. Everything else is hit and run. And even the Citadel wasn't a full on frontal assault.
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