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Post by stephenw32768 on Feb 23, 2017 18:42:32 GMT
That could be a way Liara would betray Shepard and the galaxy. The thing about Liara is that she's so pro-Shepard that I do wonder whether which way she'd go if given the choice between betraying her people and betraying her friend. I wonder if the most likely way of getting her to betray Shepard would be for someone to convince her that she's actually helping the Commander. Doing so would require a fair amount of cunning, given her intelligence and Shadow Broker resources. I don't think she'd make a snap decision to go along with someone's clever plan, she'd research the situation thoroughly. She isn't infallible, of course; Nyxeris had her fooled, after all. It might make for a good plot arc, and add some depth to the Liara-Shepard dynamic in ME3.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 23, 2017 23:04:13 GMT
That could be a way Liara would betray Shepard and the galaxy. The thing about Liara is that she's so pro-Shepard that I do wonder whether which way she'd go if given the choice between betraying her people and betraying her friend. I wonder if the most likely way of getting her to betray Shepard would be for someone to convince her that she's actually helping the Commander. Doing so would require a fair amount of cunning, given her intelligence and Shadow Broker resources. I don't think she'd make a snap decision to go along with someone's clever plan, she'd research the situation thoroughly. She isn't infallible, of course; Nyxeris had her fooled, after all. It might make for a good plot arc, and add some depth to the Liara-Shepard dynamic in ME3. If we went with the indoctrination route, the Reapers will use her love for Shepard, her people and lust for knowledge of the Prothean to slowly indoctrinate her and use her shadow broker network to retake the Citadel. Of course I would have other sleeper agents to keep Shepard and the players on edge. What is going thru my head is whatever piss players off, and every possible roadblock imaginable will happen. Including getting arrest on the citadel for something completely unrelated. I do think Mikefest's ideas has merit and true, everyone that gave their ideas have merits. Personally I would love to have a proper foreshadowing within Mass Effect 1 if Starbrat was more involved in the story. Also A better build up for both Harbringer and Sovergian, And Having Harbringer as a Bigger bad to Sovergian. A potential idea for defeating Sovergian is that Virgil give shepard an access code to the prothean EMP weapon at the citadel to temporary scamble Sovergian. I would have Cerberus as one of their science project to make an more effective weapon for their soldiers and ships. and depending on your relationship with both the Cerberus and Alliance, you can "leak" a successful copy of their weapons to everyone else. Also a Contiunous sidequest for the Dead Reaper, you find the Reaper Killer super weapon and find to get an useful copy and help Cerberus to make it an success. Also there will be an Admiral you have to deal with him and his N7 Squad. He has no love for Cerberus and how you deal with him make him an potential ally for you to leak Cerberus Tech too. Well Yes I will keep Cerberus small and not the Second Coming of the Sith Empire of the Jedi Civil War Fame or the Keystone Cops. I will make The Events of Mass Effect Retribution canon including the Turian Raids on Cerberus Bases and freezing of their public and private assets. I will have Lakota a Cerberus Phantom from My mass effect dreams, Well she will be very much your classic renagede in the sense, that she is sardonic, effective and highly self confidence with the skills to back up her words. she is good with all type of weapons ranging from assault rifle, smg, heavy, shotgun, and sniper rifles. Like many phantoms, she will be good with the sword and phase disputor weapons. she is very sentinel lite in the sense she is good with tech and biotics as well. She will be useful and helpful with teaching Characters that are not at adept at combat to be more useful. Also game mechanic storyline blending if you gain her trust, she will help you and other characters unlock new abilities and weapon slots. In the looks department, she is an attractive blend of Bo-Katan Kryze of Star Wars Clone Wars fame and Aimee Man the musician with brown hair and brown eyes.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 24, 2017 3:27:45 GMT
Sure, but I think it should also require that your Shepard be indoctrinated, something true of all members of Cerberus. For me it would be freewill. Or would it really? I was talking to TIM on Mars and I just hate how you're forced to disagree with him no matter what you pick (same with ME2), it would be interesting to see how the game would have played out if you could have joined him instead. I think that probably would have required essentially two different games to play out. ME3 could not have an indoctrinated TIM and Cerberus or else why would Shepard follow him? It's almost clear from the start the TIM's behavior makes no sense. It would have made more sense to aid the Council and then stab them in the back to try to control the Reapers rather than waste time fighting them. Before the Mars mission ends we already know TIM is probably indoctrinated. Or at least it seemed likely. I think writing a game in which Shepard could follow either the Alliance or Cerberus would be too divergent to work. With lots more money and time it might have been possible but I can't see how the reality could have taken place. In a lot of ways, it would be as difficult as writing an ME4 game written in the Milky Way.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 24, 2017 3:50:52 GMT
For me it would be freewill. Or would it really? I was talking to TIM on Mars and I just hate how you're forced to disagree with him no matter what you pick (same with ME2), it would be interesting to see how the game would have played out if you could have joined him instead. I think that probably would have required essentially two different games to play out. ME3 could not have an indoctrinated TIM and Cerberus or else why would Shepard follow him? It's almost clear from the start the TIM's behavior makes no sense. It would have made more sense to aid the Council and then stab them in the back to try to control the Reapers rather than waste time fighting them. Before the Mars mission ends we already know TIM is probably indoctrinated. Or at least it seemed likely. I think writing a game in which Shepard could follow either the Alliance or Cerberus would be too divergent to work. With lots more money and time it might have been possible but I can't see how the reality could have taken place. In a lot of ways, it would be as difficult as writing an ME4 game written in the Milky Way. Well A lot of problems within Mass Effect 3 stems from bad writing including The stupidity of Reapers, Cerberus and other factions. For Example, Kotor 2 has a extremely rushed development cycle and it had a lot of it on the cutting room floor. Same with ME3. well to have an respectful third act of choice heavy game like Mass Effect games, a more generous budget and development cycle will be required. Even with that, you can't please the fanbase. Well you can't truly please the entire fanbase regardless of the budget, manpower or development. So making a good game great does take time. Listening to your fanbase is a good and bad thing.
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Post by xaosan on Feb 24, 2017 11:12:27 GMT
Witcher 2 managed to do it where you had 2 paths of the same story yet widely different. Would have been great for the paragon path to be the loyal alliance story and for renegade to go down a path with Cerberus. but I guess ea pushed for the release and wouldn't allow proper development time of the story and wanted t cash in. My biggest gripes though are the fact Hackett says get me a weak spot and you find it in the fact you shoot the giant red spot yet you never once hear it mentioned again, never do you see any ships focusing fire on a reaper weak spot. My other problem is that why the hell does Shepard die during the synthesis ending, the reapers were masters of of manipulating genetics so why would they need Shepard to leap to his/her death, when a simple blood sample would be enough for them to do the job. Leads me to believe they are deceiving and want to get Shepard to kill him/herself to avoid their destruction. Finally when you kill the reaper in London where the hell did the weapon that one shots reapers come from and why are they not being strapped onto everything even get one on the back of the walking tanks (elcor).
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 24, 2017 12:46:54 GMT
For me it would be freewill. Or would it really? I was talking to TIM on Mars and I just hate how you're forced to disagree with him no matter what you pick (same with ME2), it would be interesting to see how the game would have played out if you could have joined him instead. I think that probably would have required essentially two different games to play out. ME3 could not have an indoctrinated TIM and Cerberus or else why would Shepard follow him? It's almost clear from the start the TIM's behavior makes no sense. It would have made more sense to aid the Council and then stab them in the back to try to control the Reapers rather than waste time fighting them. Before the Mars mission ends we already know TIM is probably indoctrinated. Or at least it seemed likely. I think writing a game in which Shepard could follow either the Alliance or Cerberus would be too divergent to work. With lots more money and time it might have been possible but I can't see how the reality could have taken place. In a lot of ways, it would be as difficult as writing an ME4 game written in the Milky Way. Yeah, I know it would have resulted in almost two separate games in one and would be infeasible to do especially when it was made, but I can dream.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 24, 2017 15:42:15 GMT
Witcher 2 managed to do it where you had 2 paths of the same story yet widely different. Would have been great for the paragon path to be the loyal alliance story and for renegade to go down a path with Cerberus. but I guess ea pushed for the release and wouldn't allow proper development time of the story and wanted t cash in. My biggest gripes though are the fact Hackett says get me a weak spot and you find it in the fact you shoot the giant red spot yet you never once hear it mentioned again, never do you see any ships focusing fire on a reaper weak spot. My other problem is that why the hell does Shepard die during the synthesis ending, the reapers were masters of of manipulating genetics so why would they need Shepard to leap to his/her death, when a simple blood sample would be enough for them to do the job. Leads me to believe they are deceiving and want to get Shepard to kill him/herself to avoid their destruction. Finally when you kill the reaper in London where the hell did the weapon that one shots reapers come from and why are they not being strapped onto everything even get one on the back of the walking tanks (elcor). Are you talking about the Thanix missiles? That's what had to be defended until the Reaper got far enough away from the beam to be able to successfully hit the target. No idea why they weren't everywhere but possibly they can't produce them fast enough. If they're that powerful, it might make sense. (Even though in ME2 a brief conversation with Garrus grants you them pretty easily.) They might be too large to be strapped to an elcor. Agreed on Synthesis. No need for Shepard to die.
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Post by xaosan on Feb 24, 2017 17:14:38 GMT
Well the one garrus gives is the cannon rather than a missile which is another point that annoys me, where did it go? As it wasted a collector ship easily would do some damage to a reaper, but the missles would have been massed produced if they were that powerful, as human nature would make humanity stock up on the most powerful arms (think current day nukes). Which also leads to why did the fleets not have such a powerful weapon, could be a torpedo or a missile or have both. Seems the ships were deliberately gimped when the story needed us to get utterly destroyed.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 24, 2017 18:15:10 GMT
If you look at the missiles seen during Kasumi's loyalty mission, they're same as the one's seen and used against the reaper in London.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 24, 2017 18:59:06 GMT
My biggest gripes though are the fact Hackett says get me a weak spot and you find it in the fact you shoot the giant red spot yet you never once hear it mentioned again, never do you see any ships focusing fire on a reaper weak spot. The one fired on Rannoch? If you watch, the rounds hit the reaper before it opened its doors to use its beam of doom. At that point, it appeared to be destroyed. When the thing gets up, Shepard paints the target. The reaper is fired on, but doesn't fall over. It fell over the first time without being hit in its firing chamber. Why? It happens again a couple more times. It only falls over after the thing and Shepard are eye-to-eye. Was the scene done that way because Bioware thought it would be cool for Shepard to kill a reaper on foot? What makes it bad is the fact the reaper fires its beam of doom vertically towards Shepard instead of horizontally. Where would Shepard run to if the thing did that? In another thread I mentioned that the game is full of choices. So why not have Shepard call for a shuttle to his/her location. If Shepard chooses destroy, Steve, if alive, can fire at the tube. If control is chosen, why not have edi control the reapers? If synthesis why not have the shuttle fly to where Anderson and Tim are. Grab one of the bodies and throw it in the beam of green. Or better yet. Go back to the chasm and grab a body from there to toss in the beam of green. My Shepard will play stupid for a moment. There is no vision showing what to do for the green ending. So, what Shepard can do, and as you say, add a couple drops of blood, or how about a few strands of hair, for those who have a Shepard with hair. How about skin flakes? The thing says add your energy to the crucible. Wouldn't blood, hair and skin flakes count? As I say, my Shepard would play stupid if she were ever to choose the green
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Post by xaosan on Feb 24, 2017 19:45:00 GMT
Well with synthesis I thought it was implied it had to be you. Due to the remaking of your body as it was part synthetic, so you're basically what the star child wants to achieve. Which is further reinforced if you played paragon as you achieved peace between synthetics and organics. Good call on the missiles during the Kasumi mission but could just be lazy development by using a generic missile skin rather than making new resources.
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Post by xaosan on Feb 24, 2017 20:01:49 GMT
Not far from hitting Rannoch in my current play through, but from my past one a few weeks ago I remember it at least being enough of a weak spot for the fleets at the end of the game to be told to aim all shots. Only defence I can give bioware is the fact you had to aim on the earlier one for the fleet, can at least say targeting was an issue throughout the game as edi had to guide the missile. But surely ships would have manual aim for if automated systems fail and they are not exactly small targets. Just found it immersion breaking there seemed to be very little tactics involved from the current cycles forces.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 25, 2017 3:39:39 GMT
Well with synthesis I thought it was implied it had to be you. Due to the remaking of your body as it was part synthetic, so you're basically what the star child wants to achieve. Which is further reinforced if you played paragon as you achieved peace between synthetics and organics. Good call on the missiles during the Kasumi mission but could just be lazy development by using a generic missile skin rather than making new resources. They could just grab any husk and achieve the same thing. Those are synthesis in action. So are the Reapers themselves.
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Post by xaosan on Feb 27, 2017 12:38:30 GMT
Well if that's true makes that ending utter bs. Makes destroy now the default ending in my opinion which is a shame as I actually like edi other than the sex bot appearance and the geth. Hopefully in a decade or so they will remaster the series and iron the conflicts that exist in the lore, and hopefully make the renegade and and paragon path into separate stories from an Alliance/Cerberus side as for me that's the biggest missed opportunity
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Post by stephenw32768 on Feb 27, 2017 19:19:26 GMT
They could just grab any husk and achieve the same thing. Those are synthesis in action. So are the Reapers themselves. The Catalyst does say that it cannot be forced. My take on it is that Shepard's post-Lazarus self is a rare example of the organic and synthetic in harmony, rather than the two aspects being in conflict. It's a bit of a handwave, and very headcanon-y, but I can live with it
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 27, 2017 19:48:21 GMT
They could just grab any husk and achieve the same thing. Those are synthesis in action. So are the Reapers themselves. The Catalyst does say that it cannot be forced. My take on it is that Shepard's post-Lazarus self is a rare example of the organic and synthetic in harmony, rather than the two aspects being in conflict. It's a bit of a handwave, and very headcanon-y, but I can live with it Looking at the trailers for Andromeda, it sure looks like basically everyone going (or at least the members of the pathfinder teams) are going to have extensive cybernetic enhancements. In fact, doesn't the codex say that cybernetics are not that uncommon at all? Also, I never quite got how the galaxy is any more ready now than they were at any time before. I mean, it's not like synthetics and organics exactly like each other (especially if you didn't make peace between the geth and the quarians). And even if they didn't mind, what about all the pre-spaceflight species that are going to be changed? How is it not forcing that change on them? Is it just because Shepard has a lot of cybernetic components and gets "dispersed"? I'd say it's more than a bit of a hand wave, I call it complete and utter BS.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 27, 2017 20:36:12 GMT
Catalyst can't force the green, but Shepard can. The thing is buttering up the green by saying that Shepard can choose it because he/she is ready. It wants Shepard to choose the green. It does say that the green is the final evolution of all life. The green works in its favor. Shoot the tube
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Post by Maeljin on Feb 28, 2017 20:36:12 GMT
We never got a Batarian squadmate... it would've created some interesting moments and then we could've have had a 'revelation' that not all of them are fullblown a-holes and vice versa.
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Post by I'm Not Dead Just Yet on Feb 28, 2017 21:50:57 GMT
In ME3's Omega, I wish you had a choice to save Nyreen and let Aria die instead.
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Post by Sweet FA on Feb 28, 2017 21:56:18 GMT
Given the relentlessly increasing casualty list as you progress in Mass Effect 3 I was fully expecting to have Sean Bean assigned to the Normandy. If only.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 1, 2017 2:08:37 GMT
Personally I would have Kai Leng as a squad mate to give Liara a lot of shit and point out her flaws as a character. Also having Kai Leng to point out the Flaws within Asari Culture as it is; and him and Liara having a Cultural Debate and the difference between Asari and Human culture as a whole.
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Post by xaosan on Mar 1, 2017 12:00:16 GMT
Personally I would have Kai Leng as a squad mate to give Liara a lot of shit and point out her flaws as a character. Also having Kai Leng to point out the Flaws within Asari Culture as it is; and him and Liara having a Cultural Debate and the difference between Asari and Human culture as a whole. Hence why I say that splitting the final instalment into a Cerberus path or an alliance path would of been amazing. Could have party members who refuse to join you and have to be put down as they stand in the way of the goals either had. Kai Leng as the Cerberus team mate as I think him and renegade shep could of had an awesome bromance of sorts, even a loyalty mission of killing anderson/ Hackett. So many missed stories like thessia, virmire survivor replacing shepards role if you go Cerberus, and having to live with killing a former friend for the greater good you believe you are doing.
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Post by Phantom on Mar 1, 2017 14:38:00 GMT
Personally I would have Kai Leng as a squad mate to give Liara a lot of shit and point out her flaws as a character. Also having Kai Leng to point out the Flaws within Asari Culture as it is; and him and Liara having a Cultural Debate and the difference between Asari and Human culture as a whole. Hence why I say that splitting the final instalment into a Cerberus path or an alliance path would of been amazing. Could have party members who refuse to join you and have to be put down as they stand in the way of the goals either had. Kai Leng as the Cerberus team mate as I think him and renegade shep could of had an awesome bromance of sorts, even a loyalty mission of killing anderson/ Hackett. So many missed stories like thessia, virmire survivor replacing shepards role if you go Cerberus, and having to live with killing a former friend for the greater good you believe you are doing. your idea has potential. One of my ideas is that while doing enough missions for Asari and Cerberus, you, Kai Leng and others seeing Liara slowly losing her mind or acting stranger than usual. Well Having a sound ME3 structure that allows for player choice, regardless if your favorite faction is what I want. As for Virmire Survivor, Depends how you treat them will effect if you kill them or not because if you treat them like Shit, they will attack you and they fully submit to Indoctrination. no I will not have the most obvious people to be indoctrinated. I have no problem in having Anderson to be accidently be indoctrination. Yeah I would have Kai Leng mercy kill Anderson and rather fight an un-indoctrinated Anderson and I will show it as more of a tear-jerker scene and making a Reference to Mass Effect Retribution. Yes I would keep Kai Leng as a critical of the Council Species as a rule and acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of all of all species and Keep his love of fighting. Yes Somehow Henry Lawson and Harbringer stand over the body of Reaperized Paul Greyson in all of its nightmare fuel glory. Harbringer makes a Reference to the Starbrat and using Paul Greyson's body as a Cthulu type of Horror Avatar. I would use Paragon of Our Kind as a Cult of Reaper Worshipping Zealots with a Communism bent. And yes Paragons will draw from all species as their members to balance out the Reaper forces and Sleeper Agents.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Mar 1, 2017 15:29:04 GMT
Witcher 2 managed to do it where you had 2 paths of the same story yet widely different. Would have been great for the paragon path to be the loyal alliance story and for renegade to go down a path with Cerberus. but I guess ea pushed for the release and wouldn't allow proper development time of the story and wanted t cash in. I think they'd have had to take Cerberus in a very different direction in ME3 to make that work. Otherwise, well...would you want to play Shepard as helping to abduct teenagers from Grissom Academy, murder civilians in a Citadel coup attempt, and feed refugees into husk generators at Sanctuary?
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Post by Phantom on Mar 1, 2017 17:47:56 GMT
Witcher 2 managed to do it where you had 2 paths of the same story yet widely different. Would have been great for the paragon path to be the loyal alliance story and for renegade to go down a path with Cerberus. but I guess ea pushed for the release and wouldn't allow proper development time of the story and wanted t cash in. I think they'd have had to take Cerberus in a very different direction in ME3 to make that work. Otherwise, well...would you want to play Shepard as helping to abduct teenagers from Grissom Academy, murder civilians in a Citadel coup attempt, and feed refugees into husk generators at Sanctuary? well that is a part of the reason there is a bit of a joke that Some of us call Cerberus, "The Second Coming of the Sith Empire" due to all the resources that they were able to do that.
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