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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 5:19:03 GMT
They are scared to show too much because of the ending of ME3. I mean that does make sense right? They don't want another failure like ME3 so they don't show much. Also, I can see them not showing much based on the Crestwood thing from DA:I. I mean it is really quite simple: they don't show much cuz they don't want it to blow up in their face. Nah it is not that at all, this is a marketing ploy to make people crazy. What do you mean "make people crazy?" What would they get out of that exactly?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 16, 2017 5:20:12 GMT
What is your point m8? I see you are INTJ. I have gone back and forth on my type so many times it would make your head spin. I currently think I am ISTP, but I am not ruling out ISFP, INTP or INTJ. Was thinking about the long term of this thread... It could or could NOT develop into a ME:A vs ME3 raiding, ranting thread -trying to stop it before it begins. I have been an INTJ over 95 in all four since I was eight -the first time took the test. I don't take much stock in the typing over all. Since to me it is not a very reliable testing method -UNLESS all four are near 85-100.
Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger , so you think that the marketing team would constantly be telling us that this game has nothing to do with the trilogy? That could work either to their advantage or disadvantage. If they make it a not issue - the ending of ME3 - then its a low risk move. Their whole philosophy for their marketing campaign this time around is very low risk. Low risk? I would say ice-cold dead risk. If you can believe this interview Mac Walters was asked what the cannon ending to ME3 is? To which he responds: "Never answering that".
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Post by colfoley on Feb 16, 2017 5:20:19 GMT
ME 3 was way worse in that regard. I was so hyper hyped about it and it only ended up being *just* a Tier 2 game. The marketing made it look like God's gift to gaming. Like every Ubisoft game's marketing. People learned quickly Honestly I wouldn't be the least bit surprised that this marketing trend you are seeing in gaming, because I don't think its JUST BioWare/ EA that is doing it, has more to do with Ubisoft then anything that BioWare/ EA has done.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 16, 2017 5:27:53 GMT
Nah it is not that at all, this is a marketing ploy to make people crazy. What do you mean "make people crazy?" What would they get out of that exactly? How should I know? I am the sane one here!
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Post by colfoley on Feb 16, 2017 5:28:25 GMT
What do you mean "make people crazy?" What would they get out of that exactly? How should I know? I am the sane one here! The only sane one here?
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 5:29:11 GMT
What is your point m8? I see you are INTJ. I have gone back and forth on my type so many times it would make your head spin. I currently think I am ISTP, but I am not ruling out ISFP, INTP or INTJ. Was thinking about the long term of this thread... It could or could NOT develop into a ME:A vs ME3 raiding, ranting thread -trying to stop it before it begins. I have been an INTJ over 95 in all four since I was eight -the first time took the test. I don't take much stock in the typing over all. Since to me it is not a very reliable testing method -UNLESS all four are near 85-100.
Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger , so you think that the marketing team would constantly be telling us that this game has nothing to do with the trilogy? That could work either to their advantage or disadvantage. If they make it a not issue - the ending of ME3 - then its a low risk move. Their whole philosophy for their marketing campaign this time around is very low risk. Low risk? I would say ice-cold dead risk. If you can believe this interview Mac Walters was asked what the cannon ending to ME3 is? To which he responds: "Never answering that". IDK what you mean by ice-cold dead risk. Does that mean very risky - to the point of death, or no risk at all - the risk is dead?
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 5:37:35 GMT
I don't see how an ending problem is relevant. Its relevant because it makes all kinds of top 10 worst endings in video games of all time.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 16, 2017 5:43:54 GMT
Was thinking about the long term of this thread... It could or could NOT develop into a ME:A vs ME3 raiding, ranting thread -trying to stop it before it begins. I have been an INTJ over 95 in all four since I was eight -the first time took the test. I don't take much stock in the typing over all. Since to me it is not a very reliable testing method -UNLESS all four are near 85-100.
Low risk? I would say ice-cold dead risk. If you can believe this interview Mac Walters was asked what the cannon ending to ME3 is? To which he responds: "Never answering that". IDK what you mean by ice-cold dead risk. Does that mean very risky - to the point of death, or no risk at all - the risk is dead?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2017 6:20:34 GMT
They won't tell you so much as to invoke major plot spoilers. I mean the game isn't out yet, so I don't think they're going to tell you everything before launch. Otherwise, people would know exactly what's going to happen.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Feb 16, 2017 6:22:44 GMT
I loathe the ending to ME3 but fail to see how it factors into Bioware's flaccid attempts to market Andromeda.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 6:30:45 GMT
I loathe the ending to ME3 but fail to see how it factors into Bioware's flaccid attempts to market Andromeda. Because people are stupid. They will automatically associate MEA with ME3 whether it is intended or not. The masses
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Post by xeternalxdreams on Feb 16, 2017 13:11:04 GMT
I guess they do not want to hype the game up for a few reasons.
They do not want to show footage that could be changed/cut so gameplay footage might be hard to come by right now. Most of the time, cut/changed gameplay results in a negative reactions because of the "what if they kept it" experience.
No Man's Sky might be a bad example but it shows that hyping a game up with all kinds of "you can do this or that", people sometimes go in with bigger expectations. Delivering on the hype (which can be possible) leads to major success but that is huge risk with so many critics ready to bash on a game. Also, they are looking in on the future of the series. Not a fast cash grab.
They already have an established fanbase so that does help them. I'm buying it solely because I liked their other series of games including the Mass Effect Trilogy. They had me at hello so I'm sure there are other people that want it for the Mass Effect experience without much marketing.
I'm not an expert in Marketing.. playing too close to the chest will lead to a lackluster start but perhaps draw a consistent flow of sales as people hear about it being good. Or, flash it around with a huge start in sales but that hype might lead to disappointment that otherwise might of not happened which might hinder further word of mouth for sales.
Regardless, I wouldn't have known about this game if it wasn't for the forum. I would have only found out by typing in Mass effect one day or seeing it in store one day. Lol. So yea, too close to the chest.
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Post by wolfsite on Feb 16, 2017 13:28:41 GMT
I feel it's more of what happened with DA:I than anything. They showed a lot of media leading up to the release but all people did was whine that they were showing too much.
Plus there was early alpha footage that showed things that were cut from the final version and people whined about that.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 16, 2017 13:30:35 GMT
No.
Neither that nor DA2's failure made them afraid of showing DAI.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 13:32:21 GMT
No. Neither that nor DA2's failure made them afraid of showing DAI. People were complaining about the same thing with DA:I... this is the same thing just 10X worse.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 16, 2017 13:34:28 GMT
No. Neither that nor DA2's failure made them afraid of showing DAI. People were complaining about the same thing with DA:I... this is the same thing just 10X worse. If they were, they were doing it without reason. We had to major walkthrought from DAI 5 months before the game came out. MEA has nothing of the sorts.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 16, 2017 14:50:16 GMT
ME:A's marketing cycle is a response to DA:I's marketing cycle which was already a response to... some other marketing cycle (maybe). DA:I's pre-release showings had fans see a vision that ultimately got scrapped. When Naughty Dog or most other AAA devs show off their games to the public for the first time they show something that isn't necessarily final, but because they show it they have to make it final because otherwise people would complain they cut stuff out of the game and lied. BioWare made that mistake with DA:I. They disappointed many fans expecting a game to be like what they saw in 2013 and BioWare were no longer making that game the year prior to release. Andromeda has no doubt underwent other major changes like that so BioWare decided to focus on making it and then show it only when everything was, not just locked in as the vision but, fully realized and 100% likely to be in the final product. Even ME3 had the problem where a level they showed had Cerberus be the enemy on Rannoch and mentions that Illusive Man was allied with Reapers -- none of that was in the final game at that point in time and BioWare doesn't like showing their development troubles in their marketing. ...sooo, instead they decided to give us 3 E3 teasers showing them developing the game behind the scenes
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Feb 16, 2017 15:10:50 GMT
I'm the most ardent defender of pretty much everything Mass Effect, and I even liked the ending of the trilogy (with Leviathan/Citadel/EC of course)......
.....and this bare bones shit just isn't rubbing right, it reeks of a lack of confidence in the game, hopefully the press preview embargo that lifts next week (they are playing the game as we speak) destroys any of these pangs of worry I have (which is something I didn't think I would ever have about a ME game). We get a ~15 minute gameplay preview this week according to Shinobi-San, so that and the preview stuff next week is hopefully the sound of floodgates opening for a tsunami of good marketing and promotion.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding, all I can say is, I really fucking hope the pudding is delicious.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 16, 2017 15:16:54 GMT
When Naughty Dog or most other AAA devs show off their games to the public for the first time they show something that isn't necessarily final, but because they show it they have to make it final because otherwise people would complain they cut stuff out of the game and lied. If you compare The Last of Us from the E3 show and the final game, they are quite different. The final version lacked many details and was less visually impressive. But not much people cared because the game was awesome. That really what matters.
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Post by phantomrachie on Feb 16, 2017 15:22:16 GMT
It's simple, they showed too much too soon for DA:I and they have openly said how much the liked what Bethesda did for Fallout 4.
This is them limiting what we know so there is still stuff left to discover, while also providing fun videos about the VAs and generic gameplay and graphical videos to get interest up.
March will hit and we'll get more and more of this stuff, just like with Fallout 4.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 16, 2017 15:26:24 GMT
March will hit and we'll get more and more of this stuff, just like with Fallout 4. Nope. Andromeda's marketing is utterly different from Fallout 4's. It never could have been the same, and not showing Andromeda stuff doesn't make it more like Fallout 4.
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Post by impingu1984 on Feb 16, 2017 15:28:46 GMT
All this talk of marketing.... look marketing doesn't magically make a game better or worse... just wait till the game is released and judge it....
Anything info released in the run up to release is a bonus..
Marketing exists to part your money from yourself, complaining about it and rating it is strangely perverse.
Just wait and remain sceptical.. I know that isn't much fun, but this kind of discussion just adds fuel to hype train, and in turn the amount of burn you could receive if it turns out ME:A isn't the 2nd coming of the gaming messiah since the witcher 3 and doesn't perform sloppy fellatio's on you as you play it.
TLDR: There is no conspiracy, marketing is just marketing, and they are trying to balance hype with peoples expectations of the game, overhyping is a bad thing long term for a IP.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 16, 2017 15:34:21 GMT
All this talk of marketing.... look marketing doesn't magically make a game better or worse... just wait till the game is released and judge it.... Anything info released in the run up to release is a bonus.. Marketing exists to part your money from yourself, complaining about it and rating it is strangely perverse. Just wait and remain sceptical.. I know that isn't much fun, but this kind of discussion just adds fuel to hype train, and in turn the amount of burn you could receive if it turns out ME:A isn't the 2nd coming of the gaming messiah since the witcher 3 and doesn't perform sloppy fellatio's on you as you play it. TLDR: There is no conspiracy, marketing is just marketing, and they are trying to balance hype with peoples expectations of the game, overhyping is a bad thing long term for a IP. I assure you I am fairly detached from the marketing campaign emotionally. I usually don't really have any expectations for a game. So while I can analyze what they are doing with the marketing (which I think is fun to do) I don't actually put a lot of stock in what they show us and think that it should be like that in the actual game. Its like a commercial for fast food - the food doesn't actually look like what it does in the add, but its still basically the same thing, kind of.
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Post by phantomrachie on Feb 16, 2017 15:38:33 GMT
March will hit and we'll get more and more of this stuff, just like with Fallout 4. Nope. Andromeda's marketing is utterly different from Fallout 4's. It never could have been the same, and not showing Andromeda stuff doesn't make it more like Fallout 4. but they have been showing stuff. They've done; character bios, a gameplay vid, a cinematic trailer, AI videos and VA interviews/videos. This information has been coming out more and more frequently. That is what I mean when I compare it to Fallout 4. For Fallout 4 they did gameplay trailers, but also SPECIAL Videos and the frequency of information received ramped up as it got closer to the realise date. It's been the same with the ME:A marketing. At first, it was only drips of information and then in the past few weeks we've got 4 character bios, 2 VA videos, a cinematic trailer and an AI video, plus screenshots of some of the support characters.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 16, 2017 15:45:39 GMT
Nope. Andromeda's marketing is utterly different from Fallout 4's. It never could have been the same, and not showing Andromeda stuff doesn't make it more like Fallout 4. but they have been showing stuff. They've done; character bios, a gameplay vid, a cinematic trailer, AI videos and VA interviews/videos. This information has been coming out more and more frequently. That is what I mean when I compare it to Fallout 4. For Fallout 4 they did gameplay trailers, but also SPECIAL Videos and the frequency of information received ramped up as it got closer to the realise date. It's been the same with the ME:A marketing. At first, it was only drips of information and then in the past few weeks we've got 4 character bios, 2 VA videos, a cinematic trailer and an AI video, plus screenshots of some of the support characters. Fallout 4 showed more of the game when it was announced than Andromeda did so far. Andromeda's marketing is much closer to ME3's, or even DA2's, than Fallout 4.
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