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Post by bohemiadrinker on Feb 16, 2017 22:21:18 GMT
In any case, I really don't care what a few "fans' think and neither does BioWare. ME3 was a massive succes and if you didn't like it then that's just your opinion man (and many others' I'm sure). Well, kinda. I like the endings fine, but I remember the backlash back then being pretty big, and I remember some of the top devs talking about how that feedback messed with them. Not to mention all the damage control. So Bioware does - or at some point did, at least - care about the negative opinions of many. However, I doubt that MEA marketing cycle has anything to do with ME3 at all; if they're compensating for something, it's probably DAI (curiously, DAI marketing worked for me; I wouldn't have touched with a ten pole stick if I had not been won over by all the gameplay videos. Glad I did, too, loved the game despite it's flaws) |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 16, 2017 22:29:02 GMT
They are scared to show too much because of the ending of ME3. I mean that does make sense right? They don't want another failure like ME3 so they don't show much. Also, I can see them not showing much based on the Crestwood thing from DA:I. I mean it is really quite simple: they don't show much cuz they don't want it to blow up in their face. They don't show it because they've become a bunch of pussies. |
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Post by veky359 on Feb 16, 2017 22:40:05 GMT
I think that No Men Sky did this situation (that Bioware/EA) decide after NMS that is best that it don't show and promise too much with MA:A!
Is better that we be surprised with content in MA:E then it promise and show too much then we see that it lied and be disappointed.
Vise/smart decision in my option
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 17, 2017 0:40:26 GMT
They are scared to show too much because of the ending of ME3. I mean that does make sense right? They don't want another failure like ME3 so they don't show much. Also, I can see them not showing much based on the Crestwood thing from DA:I. I mean it is really quite simple: they don't show much cuz they don't want it to blow up in their face.
That doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the ME3 ending has to do with MEA gameplay footage.
ME3 was a financial success. It was not a failure.
A simple reason to not show off the game is that they have no confidence in it.
It makes sense because people's minds work by association. If they see something bad from something, they are going to expect more bad to come from that. IDK why you don't understand that. ME3 may have been a financial success, but when people think of ME3 what do you think they think of? Prolly the ending. If they had no confidence in what they were doing, they wouldn't put that much effort into making it. In this video, do they really give off an aura of no confidence in their game, cuz I don't thing they do. I think it looks like the opposite to me. |
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 17, 2017 2:18:03 GMT
They really have turned into this "Look, it's nothing" developer since after ME3. It even started with that game though. The dreams and Liara's vision was also some real "uhh, what's the substance in this?"
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Post by The Twilight God on Feb 17, 2017 10:45:53 GMT
That doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the ME3 ending has to do with MEA gameplay footage.
ME3 was a financial success. It was not a failure.
A simple reason to not show off the game is that they have no confidence in it.
It makes sense because people's minds work by association. If they see something bad from something, they are going to expect more bad to come from that. IDK why you don't understand that. ME3 may have been a financial success, but when people think of ME3 what do you think they think of? Prolly the ending. If they had no confidence in what they were doing, they wouldn't put that much effort into making it. In this video, do they really give off an aura of no confidence in their game, cuz I don't thing they do. I think it looks like the opposite to me.
It makes zero sense. If you see footage of MEA you'll either be pleased or you won't based on the merits of what you've seen. ME3 does not even enter the equation. If a person is pissed at Bioware over the ME3 ending they don't need MEA gameplay footage to be pissed. They're just pissed; gameplay footage or no gameplay footage. They were pissed before MEA was announced and they're still pissed afterwards. Maybe ten years from now they'll still be pissed. If they expect the game to be bad because they didn't like the ending of ME3 that opinion has nothing to do with MEA (which they lack sufficient info to make such an assessment on) and everything to do with ME3's ending. MEA can't be as bad as ME3 because it's just a single game. ME had 3 games over 6 years and a lot of emotional investment in the characters. If ME1 had an ending like ME3 it would not have the same negative impact. I don't care if Ryder gets a shit ending. If he/she is a one off character so be it.
Why would they release a video making it out like they aren't confident in their game? That would be stupid. Even if they did have doubts they would never broadcast them. But I'm not saying they have no confidence in it. I'm saying that is a simple reason. That is the subject matter of the thread: What is a simple reason for why they aren't showing off the game. And what I stated was a simple reason.
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Post by snorkamus on Feb 17, 2017 11:13:19 GMT
Sometimes when you're dealt a royal flush in poker, best to play it down, let the pot grow and then let the hand do the talking.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 17, 2017 11:29:24 GMT
I honestly think they are saving up on their marketing budget for a massive marketing blitz in a final month.
ME3 marketing was all over the place and spread thin, which had overhyped the game but with rather mediocre sales figure.
And Fallout 4 marketing, that started only 6 months before game's release, may have been a waking call for big budget games developers to not market their games so far from release. It's really the final month that counts, so spend the most on marketing then.
But if such thing doesn't happen with MEA, then people should seriously start getting worried. Even if game turns out to be good, poor marketing can kill a franchise and a studio.
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 17, 2017 11:32:48 GMT
I honestly think they are saving up on their marketing budget for a massive marketing blitz in a final month. ME3 marketing was all over the place and spread thin, which had overhyped the game but with rather mediocre sales figure. No. ME3's marketing was focoused on the last two months before the game's release. We had a few trailers here and there but mostly it was after mid january. And ME3 had the most successful launch in ME history. |
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 17, 2017 11:38:30 GMT
I honestly think they are saving up on their marketing budget for a massive marketing blitz in a final month. ME3 marketing was all over the place and spread thin, which had overhyped the game but with rather mediocre sales figure. No. ME3's marketing was focoused on the last two months before the game's release. We had a few trailers here and there but mostly it was after mid january. And ME3 had the most successful launch in ME history. While Bioware did focus in last 2 months, they did put a lot of marketing spin for a year. I do honestly think they did not efficiently allocated their marketing budget. And while ME3 was the best sold ME game, it's sales figures were still mediocre like in previous two titles. Which is rather absurd since pretty much everyone in gaming world knows about Mass Effect, yet most couldn't get themselves to buy any of the games. And the endings controversy very likely hurt ME3 in long term. Hopefully they know what they're doing with marketing this time around. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Feb 17, 2017 11:48:42 GMT
No. ME3's marketing was focoused on the last two months before the game's release. We had a few trailers here and there but mostly it was after mid january. And ME3 had the most successful launch in ME history. While Bioware did focus in last 2 months, they did put a lot of marketing spin for a year. I do honestly think they did not efficiently allocated their marketing budget. And while ME3 was the best sold ME game, it's sales figures were still mediocre like in previous two titles. Which is rather absurd since pretty much everyone in gaming world knows about Mass Effect, yet most couldn't get themselves to buy any of the games. And the endings controversy very likely hurt ME3 in long term. Hopefully they know what they're doing with marketing this time around. They weren't mediocre. Bioware games never sold in the 10s of millions. Unless you can find an statement from Microsoft/EA saying Mass Effect failed to meet expectations or something in those lines, saying they didn't sell well is innacurate. And ME3 put more marketing out than Andromeda before the last two months? Probably, but not much. Andromeda had plenty of trailers and stuff released last year. It's just that a lot of it is utterly forgettable, like the PS4 Pro walkthrough or the N7 day trailer. |
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 17, 2017 12:19:01 GMT
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Bio marketing has shown us a lot but in a very cautious manner. The ME3 hype about decisions affecting the end game turned out to be a bust... close to a lie actually. The DA:I's famous PC game for PC gamers by PC gamers was hot and encouraging then a total bust for many. These type of marketing tools were deliberately toned down with ME:A and for very good reasons. ... they backfired.
Marketing is now in a position to show a lot. The game dialogue is fixed and done, the levels are done, the story arcs are done, the characters are available. There is no fear that what will be shown may be cut. So, will they show us much more today?
If it is a gameplay video then I say yes.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 17, 2017 12:51:18 GMT
JUst don't do this crap and include things that aren't in the game due to it being so linear, restrictive, repetitive, and over time boring. Ahem Mako and Hammerhead. Everything should be an accurate representation on whats in the game...even the CGI trailer content(not graphics obviously in this case).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 13:14:45 GMT
no, this new game has nothing to do with the trilogy, me3 ending is long forgotten by the media, they dont need to show much because the people increase the hype and it sells better the true reason behind the lack of material shown will be known after the release The ME3 ending is the only thing people bring up still when I try to talk about Mass Effect outside this community. Especially people who have never played. When I talk about this game, people are like, "Oh cool, but the last one was shit and this one is still being produced by EA." It's like the Atlanta Falcons will always been known as the team who lost the Super Bowl in the biggest come back in NFL history  until they actually go back and win one. People don't forget, especially gamers. The hype isn't there. I think this is a very important point, tbh. It might seem like ME3 has come and gone, but that was possibly the biggest piece of gaming news in 2012. Mass Effect as an IP is going to forever be associated with that blemish, no matter what Bioware does to leave it behind. This isn't even exclusive to gamers. Look at the X-men movies. They literally made a movie going back in time to stop the other movies from happening because they were shit, and everyone knew they were shit. Successful? Maybe. I don't know all that much about them because I don't watch them anymore, but I think that even serves to prove my point. X-men is a movie series that fucked up so bad they had to retcon everything. Even I, without being a fan, know this. Even gamers who don't play Mass Effect know that Mass Effect was a big deal with the ending controversy. Every reviewer and game journalist talked about it. I even recall them calling the fans a bunch of whiny, toxic, children, which may be a bit true if only a huge sweeping generalization. Bioware as a company hasn't been the same since ME3, and everyone knows it. Andromeda is probably the last chance for the IP as a whole. |
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 17, 2017 13:27:34 GMT
The ME3 ending is the only thing people bring up still when I try to talk about Mass Effect outside this community. Especially people who have never played. When I talk about this game, people are like, "Oh cool, but the last one was shit and this one is still being produced by EA." It's like the Atlanta Falcons will always been known as the team who lost the Super Bowl in the biggest come back in NFL history until they actually go back and win one. People don't forget, especially gamers. The hype isn't there. I think this is a very important point, tbh. It might seem like ME3 has come and gone, but that was possibly the biggest piece of gaming news in 2012. Mass Effect as an IP is going to forever be associated with that blemish, no matter what Bioware does to leave it behind. This isn't even exclusive to gamers. Look at the X-men movies. They literally made a movie going back in time to stop the other movies from happening because they were shit, and everyone knew they were shit. Successful? Maybe. I don't know all that much about them because I don't watch them anymore, but I think that even serves to prove my point. X-men is a movie series that fucked up so bad they had to retcon everything. Even I, without being a fan, know this. Even gamers who don't play Mass Effect know that Mass Effect was a big deal with the ending controversy. Every reviewer and game journalist talked about it. I even recall them calling the fans a bunch of whiny, toxic, children, which may be a bit true if only a huge sweeping generalization. Bioware as a company hasn't been the same since ME3, and everyone knows it. Andromeda is probably the last chance for the IP as a whole. On point with that post. ME3 will always be a scar, but I also look at something like Assassins Creed. AC3 was hated by so many gamers and journalists due to the bugs, the terrible protagonist, bad pacing, and the endings. Then they took risks and creatively made AC4: Black Flag which ended up being in many people's opinion, the best game in the series (ME>>>>>>AC btw). Bioware can bounce back, but it still won't get rid of the skeptics. They need this game game to be incredible in story and different/industry leading in gameplay mechanics if they want to be top dog again. They cannot just play it safe unfortunately. People need to be intrigued to come back. I think the developers knew this when planning out their marketing campaigns. It's going to be the reviews and journalist outlets and twitch streams that could ultimately bring a big chunk of buyers after initial release. Possibly another reason why we don't have a ton of preorder bonuses or season pass. |
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Post by Arcian on Feb 17, 2017 13:36:26 GMT
They are scared to show too much because of the ending of ME3. I mean that does make sense right? They don't want another failure like ME3 so they don't show much. Also, I can see them not showing much based on the Crestwood thing from DA:I. What does ME3's shitty endings have to do with the marketing? They weren't showcased or even hinted at in the marketing material whatsoever. And the Crestwood thing is barely qualifies as a controversy, there's no reason why they would do barebones ME:A's marketing over it. It has already blown up in their face since people are losing confidence in the game because of the near non-existant marketing campaign. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 13:41:02 GMT
I think this is a very important point, tbh. It might seem like ME3 has come and gone, but that was possibly the biggest piece of gaming news in 2012. Mass Effect as an IP is going to forever be associated with that blemish, no matter what Bioware does to leave it behind. This isn't even exclusive to gamers. Look at the X-men movies. They literally made a movie going back in time to stop the other movies from happening because they were shit, and everyone knew they were shit. Successful? Maybe. I don't know all that much about them because I don't watch them anymore, but I think that even serves to prove my point. X-men is a movie series that fucked up so bad they had to retcon everything. Even I, without being a fan, know this. Even gamers who don't play Mass Effect know that Mass Effect was a big deal with the ending controversy. Every reviewer and game journalist talked about it. I even recall them calling the fans a bunch of whiny, toxic, children, which may be a bit true if only a huge sweeping generalization. Bioware as a company hasn't been the same since ME3, and everyone knows it. Andromeda is probably the last chance for the IP as a whole. On point with that post. ME3 will always be a scar, but I also look at something like Assassins Creed. AC3 was hated by so many gamers and journalists due to the bugs, the terrible protagonist, bad pacing, and the endings. Then they took risks and creatively made AC4: Black Flag which ended up being in many people's opinion, the best game in the series (ME>>>>>>AC btw). Bioware can bounce back, but it still won't get rid of the skeptics. They need this game game to be incredible in story and different/industry leading in gameplay mechanics if they want to be top dog again. They cannot just play it safe unfortunately. People need to be intrigued to come back. I think the developers knew this when planning out their marketing campaigns. It's going to be the reviews and journalist outlets and twitch streams that could ultimately bring a big chunk of buyers after initial release. Possibly another reason why we don't have a ton of preorder bonuses or season pass. Oh, bouncing back is absolutely possible. Like you said, they just can't play it safe anymore. The thing that really gives me hope is all the new people coming onto the Andromeda team. I was worried as hell when all the Vets left, but the fact that fans of ME are getting jobs at Bioware, and they're passionate about making ME good again is really good news. |
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Post by Arcian on Feb 17, 2017 14:03:27 GMT
It's a failure to the fans. What matters most. A very vocal minority complaining about the ending =/= all fans thinking the entire game is a failure. Could you people ditch this piss-poor attitude and stop treating critics of the game like their concerns don't matter? The only one with an inflated sense of self-worth here is you, man. It was a band-aid on a gushing wound. Doing nothing would make them look inconsiderate to the extremely valid concerns of the fans and might risk a sizeable portion of their fanbase walking away from the franchise in frustration, but rehauling the entire endings would hurt the sensitive egos of Casey Crusher Hudson and Super MAC Walters, not to mention BioWare's budget sheet. So they did something barebones which would get most fans to back off, at least for a time, at a minimal budget cost. It had nothing to do with clarity or vision or artistic integrity. It's capitalism, not a fucking Sherlock Holmes art museum mystery. A massive success by what metric? Critic score? Sales? Narrative? Gameplay? You honestly sound like some assblasted Trumpster who goes around screaming "HE WON THE PRESIDENCY, GET USED TO IT, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER, MAGA" when the opinion polls clearly show that significantly more people hate him than love him. |
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 17, 2017 14:12:59 GMT
Oh, bouncing back is absolutely possible. Like you said, they just can't play it safe anymore. The thing that really gives me hope is all the new people coming onto the Andromeda team. I was worried as hell when all the Vets left, but the fact that fans of ME are getting jobs at Bioware, and they're passionate about making ME good again is really good news. Make Andromeda Great Again |
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Post by sparkysparkyboomgirl on Feb 17, 2017 14:15:49 GMT
Oh, bouncing back is absolutely possible. Like you said, they just can't play it safe anymore. The thing that really gives me hope is all the new people coming onto the Andromeda team. I was worried as hell when all the Vets left, but the fact that fans of ME are getting jobs at Bioware, and they're passionate about making ME good again is really good news. Make Andromeda Great Again We should abbreviate that and put it on a hat or something. I'll bet it'll catch on! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 14:16:10 GMT
A very vocal minority complaining about the ending =/= all fans thinking the entire game is a failure. Could you people ditch this piss-poor attitude and stop treating critics of the game like their concerns don't matter? The only one with an inflated sense of self-worth here is you, man. It was a band-aid on a gushing wound. Doing nothing would make them look inconsiderate to the extremely valid concerns of the fans and might risk a sizeable portion of their fanbase walking away from the franchise in frustration, but rehauling the entire endings would hurt the sensitive egos of Casey Crusher Hudson and Super MAC Walters, not to mention BioWare's budget sheet. So they did something barebones which would get most fans to back off, at least for a time, at a minimal budget cost. It had nothing to do with clarity or vision or artistic integrity. It's capitalism, not a fucking Sherlock Holmes art museum mystery. A massive success by what metric? Critic score? Sales? Narrative? Gameplay? You honestly sound like some assblasted Trumpster who goes around screaming "HE WON THE PRESIDENCY, GET USED TO IT, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER, MAGA" when the opinion polls clearly show that significantly more people hate him than love him. Yyyyyoooooooooooooooooooo, that was intense. |
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Post by Arcian on Feb 17, 2017 15:24:35 GMT
Could you people ditch this piss-poor attitude and stop treating critics of the game like their concerns don't matter? The only one with an inflated sense of self-worth here is you, man. It was a band-aid on a gushing wound. Doing nothing would make them look inconsiderate to the extremely valid concerns of the fans and might risk a sizeable portion of their fanbase walking away from the franchise in frustration, but rehauling the entire endings would hurt the sensitive egos of Casey Crusher Hudson and Super MAC Walters, not to mention BioWare's budget sheet. So they did something barebones which would get most fans to back off, at least for a time, at a minimal budget cost. It had nothing to do with clarity or vision or artistic integrity. It's capitalism, not a fucking Sherlock Holmes art museum mystery. A massive success by what metric? Critic score? Sales? Narrative? Gameplay? You honestly sound like some assblasted Trumpster who goes around screaming "HE WON THE PRESIDENCY, GET USED TO IT, YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER, MAGA" when the opinion polls clearly show that significantly more people hate him than love him. Yyyyyoooooooooooooooooooo, that was intense. Intense is my middle name. |
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Feb 17, 2017 15:36:44 GMT
It makes sense because people's minds work by association. If they see something bad from something, they are going to expect more bad to come from that. IDK why you don't understand that. ME3 may have been a financial success, but when people think of ME3 what do you think they think of? Prolly the ending. If they had no confidence in what they were doing, they wouldn't put that much effort into making it. In this video, do they really give off an aura of no confidence in their game, cuz I don't thing they do. I think it looks like the opposite to me.
It makes zero sense. If you see footage of MEA you'll either be pleased or you won't based on the merits of what you've seen. ME3 does not even enter the equation. If a person is pissed at Bioware over the ME3 ending they don't need MEA gameplay footage to be pissed. They're just pissed; gameplay footage or no gameplay footage. They were pissed before MEA was announced and they're still pissed afterwards. Maybe ten years from now they'll still be pissed. If they expect the game to be bad because they didn't like the ending of ME3 that opinion has nothing to do with MEA (which they lack sufficient info to make such an assessment on) and everything to do with ME3's ending. MEA can't be as bad as ME3 because it's just a single game. ME had 3 games over 6 years and a lot of emotional investment in the characters. If ME1 had an ending like ME3 it would not have the same negative impact. I don't care if Ryder gets a shit ending. If he/she is a one off character so be it.
Why would they release a video making it out like they aren't confident in their game? That would be stupid. Even if they did have doubts they would never broadcast them. But I'm not saying they have no confidence in it. I'm saying that is a simple reason. That is the subject matter of the thread: What is a simple reason for why they aren't showing off the game. And what I stated was a simple reason.
The difference between our two theories is that you think its a black and white issue and I don't. You think people will be pissed or they will not, and I don't think it is that black and white. Your view does not take into account the nuanced psychology that people have. |
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until they actually go back and win one. People don't forget, especially gamers. The hype isn't there. 
