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Post by Natashina on Sept 5, 2016 2:24:01 GMT
I do plan on getting ME:A, but I have no interest in pre-ordering. It has nothing to do with any recent action on BioWare's part. The patch cycle was so insane and so frequent that I promised myself I wouldn't deal with that again. Sadly, I was thinking about getting the Collector's Ed and waiting to play, but the forum closure did effect that decision.
As far as any devs or such are concerned, I separate the art from the artist. I'm a fan of a few artists who's personalities I don't like. One of which I've been a fan of for over 20 years. I still love the music. The same applies here. The actions of a few employees ultimately doesn't hinder my enjoyment (or occasional annoyance) for BioWare games.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 5, 2016 2:40:14 GMT
Nope. And I'm always on the lookout for female POC authors who write fantasy, so I'm delighted to add her to my list, thanks! . Racist!
Alt-right logic is so funny.
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Post by Vortex13 on Sept 5, 2016 21:51:08 GMT
I'll grant Sylvans, golems and werewolves, but I don't know if they really add nuance per se. ... I don't think the demon criticism counts if there's actual demons that manipulate people in the game. Envy certainly isn't human-like once its form is revealed (granted you have to do Champions of the Just to see it). For me it's less that Sylvans golems or werewolves are so amazing on their own right, it's more that they are an example of the pseudo original lore of DA that has nothing to do with modern-day problems and politics, and everything to do with evoking wonder and potentially immersing the player in an original and interesting fantasy world. The mage-templar conflict, the Elven issue, the Qun, Tavinter, and similar all became at some point after DA:O ammunition for the writers to insert their their morals and beliefs into the story, at least to some degree. They made sure to include enough similarities to real world problems, and subsequently made the endless arguments on those topics into sock-puppets for real-life political debates. (of course, part of it is whether or not X fantastical group can be considered a representative to X real life group, but that's just part of the debate.) This takes a perfectly good role-playing game, and transforms it into a private soapbox for the writer's chosen political agenda, where things like theme and lore consistency are bent or outright broken when they interfere with the holy crusade, or whatever poignant point the writer felt like making this time about modern issues. Instead of a unifying element that makes people with different political opinions sit down and be entertained by quality stories and imaginative concepts, it becomes yet another divisive proxy for the political battlefield.
As for in-game examples, Dragons seem to have become dumber, if you compare them to "Andraste" from DA:O that apparently was smart enough to cooperate with a cult and give them her blood. Corypheus is less of a classical darkspawn and more a tainted ancient Magister, he is not a new creature, but rather a very old one. The Mabari shopkeeper is probably there just guarding the shop. Personally I thought that the owner probably got killed, and the dog was guarding it still due to his loyalty. As for the Envy demon, I never actually got to play this side of the game, but still, for the most part the intelligent and manipulative creatures of DA:O / DA:2 became spell-fodder. (and desire demos *totally* disappeared because of some half-arsed lore reason - certainly not because their design was not politically correct... right?... *facepalm*) Succinctly put. I'll admit that I am not in the majority when it comes to things like this, but whenever I approach a new RPG setting (be it tabletop or electronic) I gravitate towards the non-human elements. The sheer fact that here is something that is not present in our present day, real world is compelling, and; as you said; immerses me in the universe. It's frustrating when my favorite parts of the given setting, the very things that attracted me to the game in the first place, are deemed 'incorrect' or 'inconsequential' and subsequently removed. I'm sorry, but robots, werewolves, insectiod aliens, etc. are more interesting to me than that maligned human squadmate talking about their daddy issues, or that character that explains the intricacies of being trans-gendered. People are always talking about equal representation in games like this, but what about the non-human/alien minority? Where's their equal representation?
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Post by Garo on Sept 5, 2016 23:17:06 GMT
I think at this point anyone has their right to say "screw it" and not buy anything from BW. Doesn't matter if you do this because of the ending of ME3, SJW, day one DLCs, destroyed forum or whatever. It's your right to do so. For me at this point I will buy it because I am a fan of Mass Effect. But no longer that big of a fan of BW as a company because they keep making those mistakes. I hope they won't mess up badly enough for me to stop caring about next Mass Effect games. Tho I can seperate art from the artist so I hope it will be ok
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 5, 2016 23:21:39 GMT
Tolkien's works have no allegorical meanings to them, but people attach it to his words all the time. This is your opinion. It is my opinion that his main works are entirely allegorical, despite his quotes and protestations about allegory seeming to prove otherwise. Evidence: letters to Robert Murray, letters to CS Lewis, letters to his son. Also, having read the trilogy in it's entirety no less than 20 times, including the Silmarillion and much of the Lost Works, I cannot disagree with you more. links, you sure like to put yourself out there like you know everything. Do not make statements that are not factual. What you posted is the definition of an opinion. And what he said publically carries more weight in my opinion. Hell, in those same letters it was a subconscious addition that he later embraced in revised editions of Lord of the Rings, and he was famously religious so the Judeo-Christian undertones were always strong in his work. Then again, it's strong in anything if you really look at. Hell, Mass Effect has heavy Judeo-Christian and Hindu themes throughout the trilogy as well. One can argue it's a Christian story in that same allegorical slant if they wanted to. Tolkien himself also noted that mythological works always have allegorical slant to them (although personally he should have written his works like them. His more history-stylized approach I can understand as a historian, but it makes for boring reading half of the time.) so I guess we can never truly go away from them. But then the question is, why did he write the forward as he did? Is it an academic exercise about the use of allegory to explain to folks not to pigeonhole his work into something? Or is it something less complex and simply a subtle way of telling the reader to enjoy the book on their own terms? That to me is a better question and one that perhaps should be asked, instead of worrying about what is true and what is not. As an aside, I don't know everything, and I never pretend I do. This is the first time i'm hearing about these letters and after reading some of them online, I agree with you. But this is now also the second time you have gone out of your way to insult me on this board out of nowhere, or to show some sort of superiority because you simply don't like what I said. I'd rather you not do it again, thank you.
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