You know....the constant complaining towards Sara's face is getting to be kinda offensive.

Ashley - "Hey, Hey Garrus....You got anymore cigarettes?" 

Okay, I'll bite.

They had a beautiful face model with Jayde Rossi and they kinda botched it.



They messed up Miranda in ME2 (who was designed to be "perfect") and IMO they messed up default femShep in ME3. They like to give their female characters manjaws and weird facial proportions.

Anyone who enjoys playing around with CCs and mods can probably tell you some easy steps to make Sara's face more attractive and closer to her face model. I simply expect more from an AAA developer, not something that looks like it was done by an intern. And before anyone accuses me of only criticizing female chars, default Scott Ryder looks like a bobblehead manlet with short arms and facial pubes.

Don't let Starbrat hear you say that. Next thing you know, Rippahz will come and harvest you guide you to your ascension. 

Q: Why would anybody complain about a character who doesn't exist?

A: Because they can. Because they don't like how she looks. Because they want to troll. Because they want to find fault with the game. Pick one of these reasons. 

Q: Why would you make a topic complaining about people complaining about a character that doesn't exist?

A: White Knighting.

yeah default Shep does look good but then I think the Unreal engine does do faces better I think in general compared with Frostbite. Although I wil argue it's probably not quite as impressive on the locations front as Frostbite is. tbh I feel it's swings and roundabout's really and depends on what the studio wants to achieve with their game. I wouldn't say Frostbite's a complete disaster as I've made a few attractive Inquisitors in DAI I feel. But I have to admit I find it easier to make a good looking Shep than I do a good looking Quizzy.

11 pages in 12 hours, and 49 likes... It seems you've struck a chord.

First, I'd like to start by saying that I don't understand why people get so offended on behalf of a completely fictitious character. Also, you'd "date the hell out of her"? Obviously, that's only if she were real, which she's not. The distinction is important, because most people who feel comfortable freely criticizing this clump of pixels would likely never do the same to a real, feeling person. I know I wouldn't.

I don't find her attractive at all, nor do I find her "ugly". I think she's sort of goofy looking; maybe a bit happy-go-lucky. That's not to my taste, and I'll absolutely be using the CC to edit her. That's about as much as I've said on the topic, to this point. I'm seeing a lot of hurt feelings, defensiveness, and disingenuous arguments proffered when Sara's default appearance is more deeply critiqued, though, and I'd like to comment on that.

Repeatedly, I see those who offer criticism painted as being shallow sexists who must prefer a more sexualized female lead. This has almost never been the case, and is strawman to the utmost degree. BioWare chose to use a model whom most would regard as sexy and traditionally beautiful. If that's an issue, take it up with them. It's not really relevant here, though. The actual issue is that, in many images and videos we've seen, BioWare seems to have done a terrible job rendering this model. Unlike Scott, Sara looks nothing like her real-life model, to most of us. Far more importantly to us, she doesn't look like a believable facsimile of a living person.

The fact that this is being said loudly and frequently, and is maybe starting to "get old" for some, does not make it less worthy an opinion. No offense intended, but this backlash is classic BSN. If something is said too many times, the community turns en masse upon it. This is particularly true if the observation is a negative opinion of a game that isn't universally shared.

The fact that many people feel this way should give you pause; particularly when they can provide visual support for their opinions. You don't have to agree with them, but you could relax and accept their views with more grace. Starting threads like this never ends well for the community. It just creates "sides" and divisions over silly, petty stuff. It's just a game. A single character's editable face in the game, in fact.

I don't care if you like Sara's face. More power to you.

As for me, Sara's face looks a little off somehow. Maybe its the animation. I'm not talking about her face model at all. I'm sure she's a lovely person.

And Cora's hair looks like shit. A continuing trend of Bioware's odd fascination with ugly sideburns and buzzcuts and Skrillex dubstep.

Thanks for making this thread. I'm in my 30s, I've been around the block, around the world in fact, and Sara is easily someone I would "date the shit out of" to use your eloquent phrasing. Yeah she's got unusual features, at least for a white protagonist. OK. Moving on. Knew a woman from Latin America a while back, similar facial features. I thought she was gorgeous.

If anything the male Ryder kid looks like a fairly typical, bland American TV hero. Like Nathan Drake or any other inoffensively good looking male protagonist I see nowadays. Sara's got actual character. Shepard had character. I'll take that anytime.

Bioware is the PC of developers. If people were expecting supermodel looking characters, then they will be solely disappointed.

My views:

On Sara's face.
Not a supermodel. Not terrible. I like it.

On being offended.
Many criticism of Sara's face are fine. Constructive even.
Some, most definitely, are not.
It all comes down to tone and intent.

Have you seen the model they chose for Sara? Maybe you should do a Google image search for "Jayde Rossi". "Supermodel-looking" is exactly what you'll find; or more accurately, "Victoria's Secret Model-looking". This is the model BioWare chose.



The vast majority of complaints I've seen have nothing to do with Sara's lack of "hotness". They are based upon the fact that she is a poor facsimile of a real human being, in the views of the critic. The fact that she isn't as hot as Jade is irrelevant. Scott Ryder has no such issue, looking fairly similar to his model, and relatively lifelike. Same goes for Cora and Liam: lifelike.

Disagreeing is fine, but at least know the argument.

Edit: This is what I meant in my earlier post, when I said, "Nothing good comes of these threads." While I stand 100% by everything said, and I'm tired of strawman arguments and moving of the goalposts from BioWare apologists in regard to Sara's designers, I don't feel any of the heat this post would seem to imply.