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Post by ryerye17 on Feb 18, 2017 19:36:43 GMT
I'm sorry but why does your offence take precedence over my complaint?
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Post by vonuber on Feb 18, 2017 19:39:01 GMT
Have you seen the model they chose for Sara? Maybe you should do a Google image search for "Jayde Rossi". "Supermodel-looking" is exactly what you'll find; or more accurately, "Victoria's Secret Model-looking". This is the model BioWare chose. The vast majority of complaints I've seen have nothing to do with Sara's lack of "hotness". They are based upon the fact that she is a poor facsimile of a real human being, in the views of the critic. The fact that she isn't as hot as Jade is irrelevant. Scott Ryder has no such issue, looking fairly similar to his model, and relatively lifelike. Same goes for Cora and Liam: lifelike. Disagreeing is fine, but at least know the argument. Edit: This is what I meant in my earlier post, when I said, "Nothing good comes of these threads." While I stand 100% by everything said, and I'm tired of strawman arguments and moving of the goalposts from BioWare apologists in regard to Sara's designers, I don't feel any of the heat this post would seem to imply. But this is not a 'real' image of her is it. Part of the problem is people are starting from a fake Base for comparison. Even I'd look great with good lighting, makeup and photoshop.
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Post by laxian on Feb 18, 2017 19:40:57 GMT
Not trying to sound dramatic, but I really feel like it's getting outta hand. If Sara isn't a decent looking woman, then people need to start telling me just what the hell is, because I would date the shit outta this girl. The reason why I'm getting a tad bit offended by all this though, is because I'm looking at people pick apart little things like "Her nose is too big!" and "Her mouth has weird proportions, and her eyes look derpy." I mean jesus christ if people ever wonder why women obsess over their looks in our society, then here ya go. I'm not here to argue whether or not she looks amazing, but she absolutely doesn't look bad in the true sense of the word, so I don't know why people always gotta exaggerate. Furthermore it's funny that these same people complaining conveniently ignore the fact you can customize the look of your character. Something that's existed in Mass Effect since....um...the first game. Almost 10 years ago. Far as I'm concerned the Sara = Ugly thing is just a shitty meme at this point that people are just hoping on. It's not that she does look awful, but she looks good in the wrong kind of way (!). At least that's my beef with her! What do I mean by that you ask? She kind of looks like she's had tons of plastic surgery and botox, not to mention makeup (soldiers IMHO don't wear that in combat!) and other beauty enhancing stuff etc. (she reminds me of ME3 Ashley after they prettied her up (also known as "Pimp my Ashley"!) and dolled her up etc. (she no longer is a soldier in ME3, she simply doesn't look the part! She looks like she ran away from a Miss Universe Contest! No, I am not saying soldiers can't be hot (most fit women are hot IMHO, even body building women if they aren't extreme body-builders who use steroids etc.), but most of them don't look like they've just left the plastic surgeon's office and have stopped at the beauty palace on the way out! That's exactly the same for Sara IMHO - sadly! I thought I'd play a run with the original configuration (note: Are there tallness sliders? I'd like my Sara (after I am done "remodelling" in the character creator) to be as tall as her brother is!)...same for my male Ryder, but it seems like I am going to spend an awful lot of time in the character creator again first Of course that's only my beef with Sara's original model in the game (I'd like it if you sent me some of those "offensive" comments (I'd love to read them and judge for myself!)) greetings LAX
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 19:41:39 GMT
For me, it's not the subjective opinions that are offensive. It's the way they are expressed. It's the difference between the two following statements. "I don't find Sara attractive because I think her jaw is too pronounced." "Sara is the ugliest of the uglies and everyone that made her is ugly because they got infected by her ugly." Can you tell me again why YOU are offended over someone else critique about a FICTIONAL character? As long as people are not directly offending someone dignity they are entitled to the words they feel appropriate..or the 1984 State of Oceania has finally released their official newspeak dictionary? Sara is doubleplus ungood. Happy now?
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Post by malakizedek on Feb 18, 2017 19:46:37 GMT
Offensive towards WHOM exactly? A computer generated character doesn't have feelings. Sorry, but she looks unattractive and creepy in a few of the animations she's been featured in. That's an almost universally accepted fact. In other images or scenes she looks passable. If anyone should be offended it's the face model who lent her likeness... can you imagine how she must have felt when Bioware was like "tah-da!" and she was like "OH DEAR GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?" Poor girl...
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Post by veky359 on Feb 18, 2017 19:47:00 GMT
My option is that we all have different tastes and look on beauty and due this about the tastes would be best to not discuss. But people are people and we will always find reason for complain. For me Sara look good and I don't change anything on she.
Ashley Williams in Mass effect 3 look ugly to me (very plastic especially lips), but I have feel that most people like her. PeeBee look ugly to me on earlier screenshots ME:A but now I am fine with her.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 18, 2017 19:47:22 GMT
Have you seen the model they chose for Sara? Maybe you should do a Google image search for "Jayde Rossi". "Supermodel-looking" is exactly what you'll find; or more accurately, "Victoria's Secret Model-looking". This is the model BioWare chose. The vast majority of complaints I've seen have nothing to do with Sara's lack of "hotness". They are based upon the fact that she is a poor facsimile of a real human being, in the views of the critic. The fact that she isn't as hot as Jade is irrelevant. Scott Ryder has no such issue, looking fairly similar to his model, and relatively lifelike. Same goes for Cora and Liam: lifelike. Disagreeing is fine, but at least know the argument. Edit: This is what I meant in my earlier post, when I said, "Nothing good comes of these threads." While I stand 100% by everything said, and I'm tired of strawman arguments and moving of the goalposts from BioWare apologists in regard to Sara's designers, I don't feel any of the heat this post would seem to imply. But this is not a 'real' image of her is it. Part of the problem is people are starting from a fake Base for comparison. Even I'd look great with good lighting, makeup and photoshop. Still missing the point. The model is irrelevant. The terrible, un-lifelike rendering is the issue (for those who find it terrible). No one cares if Sara actually looks like Jayde. They just want her to look human, like Scott, Cora and Liam do. I provided the image of Jayde to shut down the "BioWare doesn't promote unrealistic images of beauty" tripe.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 18, 2017 19:51:02 GMT
It's not offensive, it's subjective. But this whole thing has become a clusterfuck of a bandwagon that basically any shot of Sara will cause bickering. It is what it is, don't like it, customize it. People are making a big pointless deal. I for once, will pick default Sara if I ever do a sister run, I like her appearance. Just don't confuse subjective with being offensive, for starters, Sara is a fictional character, and everyone has their concept of beauty. Both sides need a stronger nerve. This isn't a gender contest like I see users make it to be as usual.
If you're offended, it's because you need to get off Tumblr. And the people whining about it everyday should take a stroll outside.
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Post by The Twilight God on Feb 18, 2017 19:53:36 GMT
Not trying to sound dramatic, but I really feel like it's getting outta hand. If Sara isn't a decent looking woman, then people need to start telling me just what the hell is, because I would date the shit outta this girl. The reason why I'm getting a tad bit offended by all this though, is because I'm looking at people pick apart little things like "Her nose is too big!" and "Her mouth has weird proportions, and her eyes look derpy." I mean jesus christ if people ever wonder why women obsess over their looks in our society, then here ya go. I'm not here to argue whether or not she looks amazing, but she absolutely doesn't look bad in the true sense of the word, so I don't know why people always gotta exaggerate. Furthermore it's funny that these same people complaining conveniently ignore the fact you can customize the look of your character. Something that's existed in Mass Effect since....um...the first game. Almost 10 years ago. Far as I'm concerned the Sara = Ugly thing is just a shitty meme at this point that people are just hoping on.
I thought it was the facial animations that were the problem. Not that she was ugly.
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Post by amleth on Feb 18, 2017 19:54:23 GMT
I don't understand how bsn gets so offended over people not liking Sara looks whilst tolerating a 250+ page thread where people wax lyrical about beastiality.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Feb 18, 2017 20:00:56 GMT
My reaction to this thread: Other than that, different people have pretty much stated what I'd have to say. But I will say: Telling people to "just grow thicker skin"? Screw that. (I'm speaking about that statement in general, not specifically about this thread) What an incredibly backwards, callous, unempathetic thing to say. And I do mean backwards, because as someone else astutely pointed out, that's not solving anything, it's simply ignoring the problem. Why don't we stop blaming the victim for having actual feelings, huh? If you take that idea to the logical extreme, you're basically telling people they shouldn't have principles or feel "bad" about anything, just grow an infinitely thicker skin. I don't think that's healthy. It's completely understandable that someone would feel insulted at an insult. Some people can truly brush it off, but others can't and they shouldn't have to, because that's looking at the problem backwards. How about we instead try to improve society by having people behave in a more polite, compassionate way? Moreover, by saying that, you're telling someone that how they feel is invalid, and that you know how they should feel better than they do. What could possibly be more arrogant? Especially when you say it to a stranger (like here on this forum). You don't know who they are, or what they've been through. Instead of transposing your own experiences onto them and making a quick judgement, try seeing things from their perspective. Even if you can't, you could at least be courteous enough to diminish your attempted sphere of influence enough that it doesn't include what other people feel. Cheerio
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 18, 2017 20:03:46 GMT
Grow a thicker skin.
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Post by midnightwolf on Feb 18, 2017 20:09:55 GMT
That is very true. Much of the criticism I've seen though, isn't contructive at all. People will often say "She's got a Man jaw.....she's ugly". Those kinds of comment's are just rude for the sake of being rude. There are many real life Women out there who have what people refer to as 'Man jaw's' and are still extremely attractive. Take a look at a British atress called Alison King. She has very well defined facial features, and yet I -and many other's- think she's stunning.More freedom to you and to those that share your preference for women with man-jaw. Still people are different, they like different things and they usually (in a free and open society) like to speak about what they like and about what they don't. So as you found rude people expressing their opinions, I find equally rude criticizing others because they do not share your point of view whatever constructive or uncostructive it might be. The idea behind this farcical thread is that people that voiced their negative opinion on Sara's look (mostly because BW didn't do a proper job) should not say that because someone on the net might be offended? Should I auto-censor my view to keep someonelse comfortable? Well sorry won't happen if someone find other people opinions rude then they should toughen up because life isn't certainly a safe-space, much less the internet. Also keep in mind we are speaking about an in-game character so none should be offended about that. This entire offensive/rude idea in this case is simply ridiculous. It's not a real person. Just to be clear, in the part you highlighted, I was referring to the Actress I mentioned.....not Sarah. Also, I'm not offended in the least by people disliking how Sarah looks. That is their opinion and they're entitled to it. However, there is a constuctive way of expressing such opinion's, as someone else has pointed out. Personally, I think Sarah is fairly average looking, whether she's based on a Supermodel or not. As you say....to each their own.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 18, 2017 20:22:28 GMT
Still missing the point. The model is irrelevant. The terrible, un-lifelike rendering is the issue (for those who find it terrible). No one cares if Sara actually looks like Jayde. They just want her to look human, like Scott, Cora and Liam do. I provided the image of Jayde to shut down the "BioWare doesn't promote unrealistic images of beauty" tripe. Nah, most of the criticisms I have seen (and not just here) is that she is ugly. The same for Cora, and Cassandra before that. I can't recall any of the male characters being commented upon thussly. I agree that some of the animation looks a bit pants, but then Bioware have always been so. A quick google turns up this for Jayde, and even that has tons of slap etc on it: A far cry form the one people choose to use a comparison - obviously she is still pretty, but at least you can start to see the imperfections that photoshop hasn't removed - imperfections everyone has. Fun fact: Make sure you type in the correct spelling of Jayde. Blimey.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 18, 2017 20:24:42 GMT
Snip (note: Are there tallness sliders? I'd like my Sara (after I am done "remodelling" in the character creator) to be as tall as her brother is!)...same for my male Ryder, but it seems like I am going to spend an awful lot of time in the character creator again first Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
The studio said there are no body sliders. Sorry.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 18, 2017 20:34:14 GMT
Still missing the point. The model is irrelevant. The terrible, un-lifelike rendering is the issue (for those who find it terrible). No one cares if Sara actually looks like Jayde. They just want her to look human, like Scott, Cora and Liam do. I provided the image of Jayde to shut down the "BioWare doesn't promote unrealistic images of beauty" tripe. Nah, most of the criticisms I have seen (and not just here) is that she is ugly. The same for Cora, and Cassandra before that. I can't recall any of the male characters being commented upon thussly. I agree that some of the animation looks a bit pants, but then Bioware have always been so. Snip,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Hey! I like Cass. She was my paramour.
The negativism about Cass may stem from her looks in DA2 vs DA:I. My inclination is to believe that people don't like to see their favourite NPC or protag get a facelift in the next game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 20:39:36 GMT
A quick google turns up this for Jayde, and even that has tons of slap etc on it: //photo of hideous woman A far cry form the one people choose to use a comparison - obviously she is still pretty, but at least you can start to see the imperfections that photoshop hasn't removed - imperfections everyone has. Is this the famous 'elephant man'? Pictures with such 'shock value' should at least be put in spoiler tags, I think.
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Post by elanor on Feb 18, 2017 20:40:39 GMT
I think all default females look meh in BioWare games, this is nothing new or any reason to be upset. Customization is key, and I love being able to craft a character look I find interesting or attractive. The only default I have ever used was Dragon Age 2 FemHawke, as she really had a great look. It could be worse....you might be forced to play a disgusting, craggy MAN, with no choice for a female character like that other obscure RPG. What was it called again? ....Oh yeah, Witcher, that was it. *waits for pitchforks and angry mob* Well, I guess Geralt heard worse things about himself. I actually enjoy play as witcher but when I have a choice I play as a woman. Nobody was forcing you to play in this game if you didn't like protagonist.
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Post by vonuber on Feb 18, 2017 20:42:06 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Hey! I like Cass. She was my paramour.
The negativism about Cass may stem from her looks in DA2 vs DA:I. My inclination is to believe that people don't like to see their favourite NPC or protag get a facelift in the next game.
I liked a bit of Cass too. Great character.
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Post by elanor on Feb 18, 2017 20:44:49 GMT
I don't get it if you don't like her make yourself custom character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 20:49:45 GMT
I don't understand how bsn gets so offended over people not liking Sara looks whilst tolerating a 250+ page thread where people wax lyrical about beastiality. Wait, what?! What thread are you referring to?
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 18, 2017 20:51:55 GMT
A far cry form the one people choose to use a comparison - obviously she is still pretty, but at least you can start to see the imperfections that photoshop hasn't removed - imperfections everyone has. Fun fact: Make sure you type in the correct spelling of Jayde. Blimey.Where are the imperfections? I haven't been able to look at her face yet.
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 18, 2017 20:56:39 GMT
Bioware is the PC of developers. If people were expecting supermodel looking characters, then they will be solely disappointed. Have you seen the model they chose for Sara? Maybe you should do a Google image search for "Jayde Rossi". "Supermodel-looking" is exactly what you'll find; or more accurately, "Victoria's Secret Model-looking". This is the model BioWare chose.
The vast majority of complaints I've seen have nothing to do with Sara's lack of "hotness". They are based upon the fact that she is a poor facsimile of a real human being, in the views of the critic. The fact that she isn't as hot as Jade is irrelevant. Scott Ryder has no such issue, looking fairly similar to his model, and relatively lifelike. Same goes for Cora and Liam: lifelike. Disagreeing is fine, but at least know the argument. Edit: This is what I meant in my earlier post, when I said, "Nothing good comes of these threads." While I stand 100% by everything said, and I'm tired of strawman arguments and moving of the goalposts from BioWare apologists in regard to Sara's designers, I don't feel any of the heat this post would seem to imply. Yes, I know who they used for the model. What they created looks nothing like whom they based it off of and I don't really care. I was making a general statement about how bioware chose to make her look nothing like the model they chose which is nothing new for them. I know they have have in the past, but I have a feeling those days are gone. Had they made her look just like the model, they would have gotten a large back lash from a certain crowd. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They took the PC Safe route. Like I said, I don't really care one way or the other. I do find it funny though how Scott rider looks pretty close to his model. Found the same thing in DAI, so this was no surprise.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 18, 2017 20:59:10 GMT
See? Memes. No need to choose to get offended because safe space has been violated instead. Much better. More memes.
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