You know....the constant complaining towards Sara's face is getting to be kinda offensive.

Those crazy feminists do a lot of crazy stuff, but they do have a point somewhere.

And this whole discussion about femrider is a prime example of this.

Even if she was ugly as sin: so what? what does this matter in ANY way?

It becomes especially ridiculous because you can just edit her appearance if you hate it.

Exactly 1 month and 2 days unless you have early access

It was true when I wrote it, that I hadn't seen it. You correct that a search revealed a few fools that choose to throw "ugly" around in their posts. Not surprising. I'm sure there are more. Some of them were putting it in quotation marks, demonstrably showing that it's a term they're using because others have been using it first. I'm sure we also have a few crude, ill mannered folks who use it because they can, or because they're looking to get a response.

Above, I have quoted my original post in this thread. (It's not exactly how I wanted this post situated, but large quotes on tablet seem to confuse the site.) At any rate, I'll draw your attention to the bottom of the post, which I've bolded and italicized. This will highlight the other side of the argument. The one our ever eager social champions, some of whom I consider friends, are always apt to overlook.

Creating an entire thread like this was a nuclear response to a problem that barely existed on this forum. When the OP, or others of similar temperament, decide to take a conversation about crappy animation (or whatever other topic) and twist that into a chance to decry social inequality, he can expect to elicit some hostility in response. It's annoying when people are continuously reframing the conversation to suit their agenda. It alienates most, and angers others. The response in this thread seems surprisingly tame, to be honest. It would've been horrific on lesser forums. The new BSN again proves better than the old.

As I said in my post, divisive threads are a bad decision. If one wants to discuss, that's great, do so. If one wants to cry, fight, or just garner some likes with a "this group of people/opinions sucks" thread, then it shouldn't be posted. I'm glad that this thread has become, as most do with this BSN, a calm discussion of the very topic the OP sought to suffocate.

The animations complaints have resulted in actions in the past; and the complaints about those ridiculous character kits got us much better kits. BioWare even explained that they're not used to using the tech, yet, so that's why they'd created the "ugly" initial kits. If everyone were as delicate and afraid to offer criticism as the OP demands they be, we'd likely not be heard as readily. Our "rude" friends sometimes do us favors, even if they might make us face palm, now and then, with their lack of subtlety.

It's not about "ugly", it's about the animations. I know some go too far, or lack grace in how they deliver their criticism, but BioWare needs to hear what we think. They've already taken action on the character kits that were lambasted with the Jayde/Sara side-by-side. They explained that the tech is still new to them, and the new kits do look better.

Maybe they need to pick a more nondescript model, next time, instead of the "internet hottie"? If they couldn't handle her face, then they shouldn't have chosen her. The smile looks fine on real Jayde, but icky on Sara.

We've had similar issues with them trying to reproduce faces, in the past. Honestly, other than Vanderloo, I'm not sure they've ever done a particularly good job. 

Agreed on both counts.

If people used less caustic/careless, more specific wording, a lot of needless internet arguing would be avoided.

Maybe. But most of the photos of jayde rossi are photoshopped to buggery anyway so who knows. As you can see from her own (posed) Instagram she has a big gob- a far cry from the pouty modelling shots people use as a comparison. At anyrate it's a big improvement over the ME3 femshep.

One of the main things I've noticed though is just the shear amount of talk about her (positive and negative) - that also shows a good trend in my opinion.

If that's the model for Sara, BioWare royally screwed up. She looks great.

After Liara, Miranda, Cassandra, Leliana, Isabella, Morrigan - even ME1 & ME2 Ashley - Sara is a bit disappointing. 

You've hit the nail on the head, Sara is just a bit of a creep haha.....I was trying to think why she wasn't gelling with me, it's because I'm creeped out  

I think she looks OK, she kind of has a hobbit vibe going on I reckon, which I guess is unique at least.

Really keen to get stuck into the character creator and see if I can make a Ciri-esque Sara: I think it affects directly what Alec/Mum/Scott look like too IIRC.

I'm glad somebody posted this because I wasn't fond of Sara's model. I mean yeah it's cool that Bioware created a normal looking main character, but let's be honest...Default Fem wasn't bad looking and characters like Miranda/Jack to a certain extent and other female characters are a bit pleasing to the eye. Now I don't think Sara is ugly, but the model that Sara is crafted from looks nothing like her...which is kinda puzzling. I only say that because the model that default maleshep is created from looks almost exactly like his counterpart....and that was years ago on inferior hardware/software

If Sara was modeled like that pic here?....there would be no complaints. Either the Frostbite engine isn't up to the task or the artists themselves did a crappy job modeling the character.

It's up to you if you want to restrict yourself to that comparison.

Since we can't customize Scott's or Sarah's body, are we allowed to complain about that or is that also being offensive?