You know....the constant complaining towards Sara's face is getting to be kinda offensive.

Ive seen a lot of shots taken at Scott and his masculinity almost on par with Sara on both here and reddit of which is without barely any photage of Scott compared to Sara who is shown with a lot of the facial animations that Bioware is pointing at bugs to be fixed. I have seen far more people commenting on wanting to bang Cora and Peebe ASAP than those who have issue with the stylistic choices of Cora's hair and Peebe's facial marking. Many of times people are poking fun at Bioware and their history of poor animation and marketing material.

This thread and the one on reddit served more of a purpose to personally ridicule people over subjective opinions and distract the discussion of animations and bugs to that of sexism. Then there are the hypocrites who call FemShep ugly while shit posting anyone who thinks so of Sara. What is offensive is those who think their view is the only view and it gives them the right to attack others.

Relevant in that photoshop is used to make models like jayde prettier than in reality leading to accusations against bioware?

So some fan's design is different from Bio's design. Not exactly news. We had that for DA:O. Hell, we had alternate portraits for BG.

No, you didn't understand. Perhaps Scott isn't that fugly and that's why he doesn't get any flack, because he does, ask Ivory, but not as much as Sara does.

There's no sexism here. Beauty is subjective, Sara is fictional character who gives zero fucks to what anyone thinks, and Bioware messed up.

It's that simple.

At the very least, they didn't meet the actual generations standards for facial modeling and animation... everything else is just gravy.

Part of the reason is because men are allowed a much wider range of attractiveness in media than women are. Men in video games are often "handsome", that's true,  but they're also allowed to be ugly/plain/average without much comment. Some have complained they find Scott "white bread boring" but it's nothing compared to the amount of complaints Sara's appearance has received (thankfully on these forums it seems to be mostly due to the wonky animations).

Also, to bring up DAI, Cullen was a character that was (is) very popular for being rather good-looking but not all male characters look as good as him. Solas, the Iron Bull, Blackwall... they aren't ugly but they aren't model material either. Some people complained a bit about Solas' baldness, some didn't like the Iron Bull's proportions, and I Blackwall had that beard. Thing is, it never blew up the way the female character's appearances did.

That difference is the real problem. Male characters are allowed much more diversity in appearance than female characters without people making a big deal out of it. It's really not fun when it feels like unless women are almost supernaturally beautiful, they're not allowed to be in games.

I'm not against sexy women in games. I'm against that being all we're allowed to be.

I get that, and I'd argue it wasn't always like that for female characters either... BW's own DAO and DAII had quite a wide array of female characters, and not all of them could be considered to be "supernaturally beautiful". Heck, one of the most used mods for DAO was the Morrigan's Ashes trailer face, that made her look even more... well, lets say it gave her personality.



Once again, I really doubt the whole problem stems from gamers, it comes from the media and self styled social academics and critics, that try to find something in games to b-tch about... and people have been falling fro it for 5+ years now.

Simple: They're beautiful not very complex to say it.

Could it be that male gamers tend to be more narcissistic about how their male avatar appears, while female gamers prefer someone more realistic to what the "average" female looks like for their female avatar? (Cross-gender gaming, being ignored, ofc.) That said, male perspective mattered greatly for BroRyder, while female perspective garnered equal treatment for SisRyder. Both groups should be pleased at Bio's fairness.

Way I see it, male gamers with the male avatar should be happy thus to play as a handsome Ryder. But male gamers playing as BroRyder simply can't romance SisRyder, so how attractive your sister appears is moot. I'm not interested in the "you can customize" argument, here. Also, male gamers complaining a) misunderstand whose perspective on the female avatar mattered the most, and use the example of SisRyder to correlate with their objections to LI's (original PeeBee's, Cora's) appearances. Those examples are few and incomplete, though, so using SisRyder as evidence seems like overreach. Moreover, Bio clearly changed PeeBee's original look into something much more traditionally attractive. Bio should get credit where credit's due for listening to feedback.

Lastly, is it possible Bio paid the female avatar model and decided to change its mind as to fidelity of her appearance, but still had to give her credit for the initial inspiration, even though the disparity appears questionable to some male gamers seeking to make a point? Perhaps Bio didn't think the model was quite the right look for the part and regretted its initial use of her. Maybe Bio took female feedback after seeing the original fidelity and actually listened to female players, not male ones. Is that not admirable and fair? My assumption is that male gamers should have the biggest say for the male avatar, while female gamers should have likewise the biggest say for the female avatar.

warbaby2 and @laughing Man - considering the hostility of your replies with your ad hominem attacks, it's clear that you've lost this debate. Sorry/not sorry to have touched a nerve.

..... Creepy ,,Barbie Doll Scott,,  looks meh

Not you, and please those comments aren't referring to their "technical quality."