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Post by Ianamus on Feb 18, 2017 13:34:07 GMT
I kinda like Sara's more average-looking appearance. She's the protagonist, after all, not a love interest, so it's not like her appearance particularly matters anyway. Especially since she's customizable.
Scott's face scanning definitely worked better, though. Sara doesn't look that similar to her very attractive face model, while Scott resembles his a bit, and is definitely the more attractive of the two defaults in-game.
The quality of the facial animation and graphics is a different matter entirely. But I've never been too fussed about that sort of stuff. I rarely actually play the games praised for their incredible graphics, because usually so much energy has gone into them that the rest of the game feels lacking. As long as it's an improvement over ME3 and Inquisition I really don't mind.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 13:38:19 GMT
Where's the beauty in that?
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 18, 2017 13:41:12 GMT
Not trying to sound dramatic, but I really feel like it's getting outta hand. If Sara isn't a decent looking woman, then people need to start telling me just what the hell is, because I would date the shit outta this girl. The reason why I'm getting a tad bit offended by all this though, is because I'm looking at people pick apart little things like "Her nose is too big!" and "Her mouth has weird proportions, and her eyes look derpy." I mean jesus christ if people ever wonder why women obsess over their looks in our society, then here ya go. I'm not here to argue whether or not she looks amazing, but she absolutely doesn't look bad in the true sense of the word, so I don't know why people always gotta exaggerate. Furthermore it's funny that these same people complaining conveniently ignore the fact you can customize the look of your character. Something that's existed in Mass Effect since....um...the first game. Almost 10 years ago. Far as I'm concerned the Sara = Ugly thing is just a shitty meme at this point that people are just hoping on. I never liked Sheploo. I don't even know how Default Fem-Shep looks. I made my owns. I seriously don't get this whining. Either we are plagued by the worst generation of man-children I've ever known to exist, or the most helpless. Either way they ought to be shamed of themselves. One thing I blame is the over-sexualisation of media, including games. Some men are so used to it they might not even understand what is normal and what is not, and what is entitled, childish whining and what is not. They seriously are so used to see women as objects they just can't get out of that zone because they don't even understand it is a zone. My God how are they gonna survive when they understand that they can't order a perfect wife/gf from a catalogue and the thing that looks them from the mirror, well, it actually isn't Adonis and many women don't find it much attractive. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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Post by vanillah on Feb 18, 2017 13:45:59 GMT
OK (sorry flyingovertrout to drag you in, could not find original post), science nerd coming in with the science here to argue the opposite. Real Zoologists and biologists, feel free to correct my neophyte attempt to discern truth from semi - science. At some point in the human evolutionary period, probably during the transition to bipedalism, humans took up monogamy. Groups of apes started breaking off from one another, namely females who became more aggressive and defensive over their territories. Scientists think this was because at this point the idea of 'alpha' male in the group was starting to become infeasible. The transition from a male ape to another male ape would involve the next male ape killing all existing young and then killing unborn young at the point in which they were born, in order to ensure that it was theirs. Thus, monogamy was more logical because it would prevent infanticide. This gave weaker males the opportunity to mate with females - as long as they brought them food in order to 'attract' them. Females appealed to males for food and instinctual breeding, and males appealed to females for instinctual breeding. It is a natural balance - not so more than the other. If you look at the psychology of the modern man and woman, one would realize that both try to attract one another almost equally. It has been found that societal expectations may have skewed this one way or another, but this is solely based upon society and culture and can vary from region to region. Therefore, it is difficult to state that your statement is accurate because it is not, at least, biologically defined as an 'obsession'. Something to be conscientious about, yes, an unhealthy obsession skewed one way, no. In regards to the topic, I do think it's been blown out of proportion, but again, it's the internet. People will complain because the sky is blue, and, the anonymity of the internet also makes people more brave. I've been bullied on the Internet (not fun), and I doubt that those people would ever say it to my face. Actually there is no consensus on equality of attraction. So no, there is no way to "realize" both genders attract each other equally. One can only state opinion based on observation and from my point of view things like makeup,padded bras and things alike are extreme extension for that evolutionary trait. Even more devious and effective in attracting mate since it employs deceit now. Females basically weaponized attraction to the maximum effect. To me, obsession word fits perfectly. Males just pump some iron, get a good job don't dress in rags and off the the races. IMO quite often it's the males who are getting preyed on.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 18, 2017 13:50:50 GMT
You don't say.
If it were a movie people would probably realize what they're saying better because you can't yell at someone to change an actress's face because it isn't the way you want. Sara is a particular look of a person BioWare has decided to make as the female protagonist. They can't just change that because their face if choice isn't as hot as Miranda or something.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 18, 2017 13:51:29 GMT
Looks better than default FemShep I'd say, but they always seem to make the necks of the female characters super skinny.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 18, 2017 13:52:35 GMT
Looks better than default FemShep I'd say, but they always seem to make the necks of the female characters super skinny. Yeah, I hope for some customization on that regards too.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 18, 2017 13:55:41 GMT
People constantly finding things "offensive" is really offensive to me... It's a vicious cycle
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 18, 2017 13:56:09 GMT
Looks better than default FemShep I'd say, but they always seem to make the necks of the female characters super skinny. Yeah, I hope for some customization on that regards too. I assume we can change that at least a bit since we've been able to do that in the CC's of all the previous games. I always like giving more of an appearance of some upper body strength. Too bad nothing could be done about the stick-figure arms though.
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Post by Cannibal on Feb 18, 2017 13:56:51 GMT
I don't get this. Why would anybody complain about a character who doesn't exist? Why would you make a topic complaining about people complaining about a character that doesn't exist?
Default is just that, default. I will never, ever see default "Sara" because she will never, ever exist.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 18, 2017 13:57:14 GMT
Yeah, I hope for some customization on that regards too. I assume we can change that at least a bit since we've been able to do that in the CC's of all the previous games. I always like giving more of an appearance of some upper body strength. Too bad nothing could be done about the stick-figure arms though. Well, they don't look like sticks when she wears her casual outfit. Not sure on her amour shots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 14:01:05 GMT
I find the automatic defense of people for Sara Ryder's looks to be no better really. I don't remember complaining about her in particular, but then I'm not really impressed with the faces and the animations we have seen of the rest of the human characters either. (funnily enough Drack and Vetra actually look better than Wrex and Garrus, and I'm talking here in terms of quality rather than subjective aesthetics) This is less of a case of Sara being "ugly", and more of a case of Bioware not doing a particularly impressive job with the new engine. Agreed 100%.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Feb 18, 2017 14:02:48 GMT
I think people take each others opinions way too seriously in here.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 18, 2017 14:03:15 GMT
All face choices were real life models and yes we can it seems, and our father will match us, but when can make our twin look like anything we want lol So we modify both of them even if were playing as only one? Thats amazing haha, im planning on making making them mix race like me but dad ryder can stay the same, do you know if he automatically changes or can you leave him as default despite altering the twins. Since mom ryder is off screen i was planning on making her what the twins look like more. He changes depending on what you do with the siblings. OT I don't have any problems with Sara I think she is kinda cute. But I must admit I do also find her face a little cartoony. But then my plans were always to customise my characters anyway so how she looked was never really going to bother me too much. As I was always going to base my Sara's on the images I have in mind. After all there is a CC there it's pointless having it there if we don't use it.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 18, 2017 14:06:25 GMT
I don't get this. Why would anybody complain about a character who doesn't exist? Why would you make a topic complaining about people complaining about a character that doesn't exist? Default is just that, default. I will never, ever see default "Sara" because she will never, ever exist. I'm not sure if you actually read my OP, because the last statement in your post is something I addressed.
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Post by bigbad on Feb 18, 2017 14:07:57 GMT
I think she looks very nice. I'm not sure which character I'll use in my first playthrough. It will depend on which voice actor I enjoy more. If I go with Sarah, I'll probably keep default face.
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Post by Nashimura on Feb 18, 2017 14:08:08 GMT
So we modify both of them even if were playing as only one? Thats amazing haha, im planning on making making them mix race like me but dad ryder can stay the same, do you know if he automatically changes or can you leave him as default despite altering the twins. Since mom ryder is off screen i was planning on making her what the twins look like more. He changes depending on what you do with the siblings. OT I don't have any problems with Sara I think she is kinda cute. But I must admit I do also find her face a little cartoony. But then my plans were always to customise my characters anyway so how she looked was never really going to bother me too much. As I was always going to base my Sara's on the images I have in mind. After all there is a CC there it's pointless having it there if we don't use it. The whole game seems to have a somewhat cartoony look, some more than others... but everything from color palate, to body proportions, to some of the faces give me that feel.
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Post by KamenRyder on Feb 18, 2017 14:09:27 GMT
I'm also in the camp that Sara Ryder looks off but I'm not crying about it since I'm never gonna play default for neither of the siblings (did this for MET as well). I'm not sure what it is about Sara in game but I do find Fryda Wolff and Jayde Rossi attractive.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 18, 2017 14:09:52 GMT
I don't get this. Why would anybody complain about a character who doesn't exist? Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Mainly due to people's preconceived idea of an upcoming game character's looks or the unexpected curve ball the studio throws at you with a character.
My favourite pet theory is that both Hollywood & the Fashion industry did an excellent job indoctrinating us to what beauty is supposed to be.
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Post by heathenoxman on Feb 18, 2017 14:10:24 GMT
In other news, stupid people are stupid.
I just avoid the cesspools known as "comment sections," thereby avoiding getting splattered.
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Post by chococri on Feb 18, 2017 14:11:55 GMT
I agree that Sara is always smiling and that makes her look derpy. Check it out all the vids shes always smiling no matter the situation lol Anyway, I like the character. Bioware tried their best for emotions and faces in this game.
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Post by Madflavor on Feb 18, 2017 14:13:11 GMT
Complaining about people who complain...I personally have no issues with Sara's current look. But I might tweak a few things in the CC, provided its possible. Always one of the worst kind of responses. Why some people think tons of people can just constantly complain about something, and should never be challenged on their point, I'll never understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2017 14:14:53 GMT
He changes depending on what you do with the siblings. OT I don't have any problems with Sara I think she is kinda cute. But I must admit I do also find her face a little cartoony. But then my plans were always to customise my characters anyway so how she looked was never really going to bother me too much. As I was always going to base my Sara's on the images I have in mind. After all there is a CC there it's pointless having it there if we don't use it. The whole game seems to have a somewhat cartoony look, some more than others... but everything from color palate, to body proportions, to some of the faces give me that feel. It does seem to have that graphic novel art style. Sort of Heavy Metal without the excessive sexploitation.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 18, 2017 14:21:13 GMT
He changes depending on what you do with the siblings. OT I don't have any problems with Sara I think she is kinda cute. But I must admit I do also find her face a little cartoony. But then my plans were always to customise my characters anyway so how she looked was never really going to bother me too much. As I was always going to base my Sara's on the images I have in mind. After all there is a CC there it's pointless having it there if we don't use it. The whole game seems to have a somewhat cartoony look, some more than others... but everything from color palate, to body proportions, to some of the faces give me that feel. True but I think maybe that may be moer the Frostbite engine though as for me DAI has the same problem. I don't think it does people or faces very well tbh .It's great at handling cutscenes and locations as the cutscene where we get introduced to Skyhold is breathtaking imo. It does get shown up a bit when it comes to people compared with other engines though.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 18, 2017 14:24:31 GMT
He changes depending on what you do with the siblings. OT I don't have any problems with Sara I think she is kinda cute. But I must admit I do also find her face a little cartoony. But then my plans were always to customise my characters anyway so how she looked was never really going to bother me too much. As I was always going to base my Sara's on the images I have in mind. After all there is a CC there it's pointless having it there if we don't use it. The whole game seems to have a somewhat cartoony look, some more than others... but everything from color palate, to body proportions, to some of the faces give me that feel. To me, BioWare games always had a fair dose of cartoonish sensibilities in the way the whole thing was designed. Frankly, I love them more for it.
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