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Post by Spooch on Feb 24, 2017 1:40:43 GMT
I honestly doubt this is that much of a spoiler. I bet we learn this super early on, like the whole beacon situation in ME1.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 1:45:39 GMT
So basically, this? But the Kett in the same situation as the humans in that series???
All will must bend to the perfect truth of The Praxis
For millennia, the Shaa have subjugated the universe, forcing the myriad sentient races to bow to their joyless tyranny. But the Shaa will soon be no more. The dread empire is in its rapidly fading twilight, and with its impending fall comes the promise of a new galactic order . . . and bloody chaos.
A young Terran naval officer marked by his lowly birth, Lt. Gareth Martinez is the first to recognize the insidious plot of the Naxid -- the powerful, warlike insectoid society that was enslaved before all others -- to replace the masters’ despotic rule with their own. Barely escaping a swarming surprise attack, Martinez and Caroline Sula, a pilot whose beautiful face conceals a deadly secret, are now the last hope for freedom for every being who ever languished in Shaa chains -- as the interstellar battle begins against a merciless foe whose only perfect truth is annihilation.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 24, 2017 1:52:23 GMT
I would say it's human-centric in the sense that our super special snowflake protagonist is going to be directly responsible to what happens to humanity in Andromeda, and that this special quality is going to draw humans into the limelight by proxy. Kind of like how Shepard was special, and then he/she also enabled humanity to attain galactic recognition and near superpower-level prestige despite only being present in interstellar affairs for less than thirty years. And I would like to see more a Saren-esque villain, though from what I have learned about the Archon I am getting more of a Coryepheus vibe than anything. Saren was kind of like a Corypheus type villain, just better written. And I see your point now but I still kind of disagree with it. Still it shouldn't be a surprise that Mass Effect is, and remains a human story. Its one of the reasons why they aren't giving us the ability to play as other species. because it will be about humanity finding its place in the universe as anything else. Just like the OT, and even beyond. Well here's hoping for better writing, for all of ME: Andromeda, then. And it's not surprising to me to see such a narrative focus, just an overall "been there done that" feeling; I was hoping for a more balanced approach to the story. I am still holding out some small hope for there to be some compelling 'alien' elements to the setting, but every new piece of information seems to be driving home the fact that human (and human-like) is the only thing we will be seeing with any kind of depth to it.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 1:55:47 GMT
Saren was kind of like a Corypheus type villain, just better written. And I see your point now but I still kind of disagree with it. Still it shouldn't be a surprise that Mass Effect is, and remains a human story. Its one of the reasons why they aren't giving us the ability to play as other species. because it will be about humanity finding its place in the universe as anything else. Just like the OT, and even beyond. Well here's hoping for better writing, for all of ME: Andromeda, then. And it's not surprising to me to see such a narrative focus, just an overall "been there done that" feeling; I was hoping for a more balanced approach to the story. I am still holding out some small hope for there to be some compelling 'alien' elements to the setting, but every new piece of information seems to be driving home the fact that human (and human-like) is the only thing we will be seeing with any kind of depth to it. Indeed. But I would classify the 'human centric approach' is something that is what makes Mass Effect, Mass Efffect. Especially in the wake of the information that you cannot change your species in Andromeda. Its a staple of the franchise. And sure it would be easier to change then the 'Mass Effect' itself its still obviously what the writers are continuing to go for.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 24, 2017 1:56:05 GMT
I was hoping we become the Pathfinder because something happens to Alec, and SAM refuses to 'work' for anyone else. I liked the idea that an AI was sentimental and immature. Would have been sweet, tragic, and a good source for drama.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2017 2:04:14 GMT
I was hoping we become the Pathfinder because something happens to Alec, and SAM refuses to 'work' for anyone else. I liked the idea that an AI was sentimental and immature. Would have been sweet, tragic, and a good source for drama. theoretically this could still happen. All the content message indicates is that we now know why the Archon is interested in Ryder, not why they become pathfinder. Though the two might be linked. Though imagine how pissed Cora is going to be when you get promoted over her because of a technicality
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 24, 2017 2:05:25 GMT
Another thing from the Kett and Remnant from the level up spanish article: SPOILER [...] you find out a little about the main villain - an old race called Remnant, that seems to have the Kett at their service and leave you the biggest mistery in this saga: is there a maquiavelic purpose to this mission? [...] That much is apparent enough just from glancing at the Galaxy Map of the Helius Cluster. There's something really strange at the center, and then we see cutscenes of floating boulders and crap. AI isn't about "finding a new home for humanity", it's about "finding a place to set up shop so we can uncover the secrets of this anomoly"
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Post by peebee on Feb 24, 2017 2:36:02 GMT
Another thing from the Kett and Remnant from the level up spanish article: SPOILER [...] you find out a little about the main villain - an old race called Remnant, that seems to have the Kett at their service and leave you the biggest mistery in this saga: is there a maquiavelic purpose to this mission? [...] That much is apparent enough just from glancing at the Galaxy Map of the Helius Cluster. There's something really strange at the center, and then we see cutscenes of floating boulders and crap. AI isn't about "finding a new home for humanity", it's about "finding a place to set up shop so we can uncover the secrets of this anomoly" Well, I meant more about the part that the Kett serve the Remnant and that they are the main villain. Or was this already known? I can't remember.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 24, 2017 3:13:12 GMT
Huh... kinda makes sense, I guess. Makes the whole game look even more like a soft reboot with a younger protagonist, though.
Dunno why I though BW might, for once, break the dominant cliches... wouldn't be surprised if we find out the twins have been genetically engineered by mom and pop Ryder to make remnant tech usable for humans in the first place. That's one of the usual "twists" employed in those "chosen one" stories.
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Post by Phantom on Feb 24, 2017 3:20:34 GMT
It makes Ryder a potential Gary/Mary sue within the context of story. And a Potential Mary/Gary Sue can make any story bad. Also good characterization does involved with some limitations or flaws. Many people find a Gary/Mary Sue characters bad due to a lack of challenge and bad characterization for that said character. There is a massive differences in being capable and being a Sue level of capable.
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Post by hivemind on Feb 24, 2017 3:41:04 GMT
Mac, what an unimaginitive moron you are.
I am not dissapointed, not even surprised.
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Post by SKAR on Feb 24, 2017 3:49:29 GMT
I hope that's not all there is to him hunting us. I want the kett to be our enemy because we're invading. I don't mind this but there's got to be more to it.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 24, 2017 3:54:10 GMT
Mac, what an unimaginitive moron you are. I am not dissapointed, not even surprised. Meh... who would be? Just look what "writing talent" BW has left these days. Third grade is pushing it.
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Post by SKAR on Feb 24, 2017 3:55:37 GMT
Mac, what an unimaginitive moron you are. I am not dissapointed, not even surprised. I miss drew, Mac will never be as good as drew. Creative Director my ass.
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Post by fiannawolf on Feb 24, 2017 4:04:56 GMT
What if it ends up being something like...the Remenant is the progenitor of the Human race and thats why we can interact with the stuff rather then the Kett...at this point that wouldn't shock me either. What's that trope called? tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdvancedAncientHumans
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 4:10:28 GMT
Mac, what an unimaginitive moron you are. I am not dissapointed, not even surprised. Meh... who would be? Just look what "writing talent" BW has left these days. Third grade is pushing it. Mac most likely did not come up with it. It's Schlerf we're going to knock over the head with a few complaints if the story is indeed too ME1-esque in its template. As for the "writing talent" they're promoting their character Dr. Lexi who is written by Courtney Woods, their latest writer, who is herself a fangirl who married a husband who gave her a wedding ring with a Dragon Age meme on it -- you just know that's when BioWare's jumped the shark as a company when they start hiring people because they really like each other on a personal level. Given her output on The Descent DLC things ain't lookin' good. It wasn't abysmal but it was just... completely flat.
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Post by warbaby2 on Feb 24, 2017 4:18:02 GMT
Meh... who would be? Just look what "writing talent" BW has left these days. Third grade is pushing it. Mac most likely did not come up with it. It's Schlerf we're going to knock over the head with a few complaints if the story is indeed too ME1-esque in its template. As for the "writing talent" they're promoting their character Dr. Lexi who is written by Courtney Woods, their latest writer, who is herself a fangirl who married a husband who gave her a wedding ring with a Dragon Age meme on it -- you just know that's when BioWare's jumped the shark as a company when they start hiring people because they really like each other on a personal level. Given her output on The Descent DLC things ain't lookin' good. It wasn't abysmal but it was just... completely flat. Happens when you loose your actual scifie writers, I guess... fanfics are nice and all, but they surely will not advance your IP in any meaningful way. At least they got Natalie Dormer to voice Lexi, though, makes for great marketing!
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 24, 2017 4:30:22 GMT
It makes Ryder a potential Gary/Mary sue within the context of story. And a Potential Mary/Gary Sue can make any story bad. Also good characterization does involved with some limitations or flaws. Many people find a Gary/Mary Sue characters bad due to a lack of challenge and bad characterization for that said character. There is a massive differences in being capable and being a Sue level of capable. LOL Gary Sue
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Post by zaefkol on Feb 24, 2017 4:57:47 GMT
Let me guess: The Ryder that becomes Pathfinder goes on mission with Dad where stuff happens and this affects Ryder like when Shepard pulled Ashley/Kaidan away from the beacon too? Man, is this game going to be a self-referential The Force Awakens type game? If so, it's time I severely lower my expectations. The "back to roots" approach is usually where sequels, band albums, artist intent, stops being genuine and the whole thing starts to shallow out. I really hope this game isn't just going to reference ME1's plot at every turn. So Some Spoilers BELOW, it's main plot Spoilers !!!! From what I've read in the French preview , The main goal is to settle the humans as a pathfinder and dun dun dun....find your missing sibling. So I assume dadRyder went after his missing kid and that's why he left. And I bet the Khet took one of the twin.
I'm fine with most of the plot spoilers in this thread. Except for this one. This one is bleh.
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Post by Vortex13 on Feb 24, 2017 5:19:54 GMT
What if it ends up being something like...the Remenant is the progenitor of the Human race and thats why we can interact with the stuff rather then the Kett...at this point that wouldn't shock me either. What's that trope called? tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdvancedAncientHumansIf that is the ultimate reveal, then I would say that I would be officially done with Mass Effect. The setting is already lousy enough with "Humans are Special", the last thing we need is humanity being this chosen race that existed long before every other species in the universe. The Halo series did this and it just completely removed any investment I once had in that setting; it's really boring when all the foundational elements of the universe are designed exclusively around us, and all other species are either freak genetic mistakes, or destined/designed to be servant races to ubersmench humanity.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 24, 2017 7:55:47 GMT
Mac most likely did not come up with it. It's Schlerf we're going to knock over the head with a few complaints if the story is indeed too ME1-esque in its template. As for the "writing talent" they're promoting their character Dr. Lexi who is written by Courtney Woods, their latest writer, who is herself a fangirl who married a husband who gave her a wedding ring with a Dragon Age meme on it -- you just know that's when BioWare's jumped the shark as a company when they start hiring people because they really like each other on a personal level. Given her output on The Descent DLC things ain't lookin' good. It wasn't abysmal but it was just... completely flat. Happens when you loose your actual scifie writers, I guess... fanfics are nice and all, but they surely will not advance your IP in any meaningful way. At least they got Natalie Dormer to voice Lexi, though, makes for great marketing! Too bad Lexi's writer is a BioWare fangirl.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2017 8:02:20 GMT
If this was on purposely designed by Alec and Elena Ryder, knowing in advance about the Remnants technology, then Scott/Sara Ryder's parents are giant dicks!
Also it would make this trope tolerable. As it wasn't some prophecy that told you or was a completely coincidence, but it was it was completely manufactured by your parents and company you are working in. Basically, you got manipulated into becoming a "special one", which actually gives weight for a change.
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Post by armass81 on Feb 24, 2017 9:33:51 GMT
What if it ends up being something like...the Remenant is the progenitor of the Human race and thats why we can interact with the stuff rather then the Kett...at this point that wouldn't shock me either. What's that trope called? tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdvancedAncientHumansSince theres a halo writer involved, its possible. Really stupid tough.
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Post by armass81 on Feb 24, 2017 9:39:25 GMT
It makes Ryder a potential Gary/Mary sue within the context of story. And a Potential Mary/Gary Sue can make any story bad. Also good characterization does involved with some limitations or flaws. Many people find a Gary/Mary Sue characters bad due to a lack of challenge and bad characterization for that said character. There is a massive differences in being capable and being a Sue level of capable. And Shepard wasnt one?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2017 9:40:36 GMT
I did think the Archon's interest might be related to that, but I'd prefer if it's done differently then in ME. As for the main enemy and sibling's fate: It seems strange that the remnants are behind the kett. Why the hell would they let us walk in their vaults, if we don't attack them? Bioware said we can interact with the other sibling through the game, so I guess they might gen rescue midway. While I'm not a big fan, at least they didn't follow the antagonist route for either. Based on what I read in other previews I think the way the builds were presented didn't help a lot in making the reviewers understand a lot of the plots in the game.
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