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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2017 5:22:46 GMT
Yeah, trust me...I'm surprised at myself too. Ashley lives. It made a lot more sense to me that Shepard would be more sure she could save Ashley, while saving Kaidan seemed like more of a long shot. (I know it wasn't really, but I'm trying to stay in Shepard's head here.) That doesn't mean his final words didn't hurt a bit, though. ------ Stupid, useless council. Especially that damn Turian. Shepard told them to go to hell. "I never meant to offend you. I only meant that you would be an interesting specimen for in-depth study!" Liara T'soni: the Dagna of the 22nd Century Edit: that was an enlightening conversation. Now I know why I kept seeing Asari/Turian couples in the other games, and no "male" asari. I mean, sure, I could have read a codex but...who does that? *Raises hand* I also don't read codex. Or any of the description of the planets. I'm here for the people. Out. I read the descriptions for Sol system planets, but I skip most of the others. While I occasionally read codexes in DA, I HATE that in ME they are read to you out loud. I know the mute button is a thing that exists, but that requires moving my whole arm just to reach the button. Oh no. Kaidan died and you saved racist Ashley. She'll rip you a new one in Horizon and you will be a sad panda. Ouch. I go with other poster and vote you shoot her in ME3! Kaidan isn't very nice on Horizon, either. With Ashley, she feels so guilty that she survived instead of Kaidan, and I bet she will feel doubly guilty after Shepard dies at the beginning of 2. I could understand how that might fester in her and come out as fury when she sees Shepard working with Cerberus (especially now that I've seen some of the awful things Cerberus has done in this game). I mean, the scene might still annoy me, but Shepard will understand.
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Post by melbella on Mar 9, 2017 5:25:07 GMT
I told Garrus NOT to set off any false alarms on the base, because Shepard doesn't want to make things any harder on the salarians/Kaidan. We'll see if that actually helps Kaidan survive or if he's still doomed. Or maybe he was never doomed at all.
This was kind of how I was going into ME1 the first time. I knew that one of them was not going to make it but I didn't know how it would all play out. I was romancing Kaidan so I wanted to make sure he survived, so I kept him with me and sent Ashley with the salarians. Of course, I later found out that decision wasn't the one that determined who lived and who died. It was pretty nerve-wracking the first go 'round.
I also had to redo part of Virmire because I went there too early (before Noveria). I didn't have enough P/R to talk Wrex down and Ashley shot him. I reloaded back to my previous level up and put more points into Charm so the conversation would go the way I wanted. I think that instance made me hate Ashley all the more. I hadn't really liked her much anyway, and doing that without an order from me (Shepard) was the last straw. She gets nuked way more than Kaidan does.
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Post by phoray on Mar 9, 2017 5:33:57 GMT
At least I have options. It's too bad one of those options isn't a save editor to erase the ninjamance in the first place I don't really look forward to hurting her. (Or can I start 2, then open the save in the ME2 save editor to erase the romance, then continue playing? I don't actually know how the save editor works.) I still haven't gone to Virmire in this game, so I have some time to think about it. One way around the ninja-mance is to go back to a save before the argument and choose Kaidan... then unfortunately arrange to have Kaidan die on Virmire. I know also that it is readily possible to piss Ashley off before the romance scene and not have it culminate in a love scene... but I've been told this doesn't actually undo the romance flag in the game... probably because the "closeness" has some sort of effect on Ashley's attitude towards you in ME3... that may alter whether or not you have to shoot her, etc. I don't know if you can similarly piss off Kaidan. *Inspired* I think my renegade jerk Shepherd will romance Ashley and have her die.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 5:34:18 GMT
Wut... you didn't enjoy telling off the council?
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2017 5:38:57 GMT
One way around the ninja-mance is to go back to a save before the argument and choose Kaidan... then unfortunately arrange to have Kaidan die on Virmire. I know also that it is readily possible to piss Ashley off before the romance scene and not have it culminate in a love scene... but I've been told this doesn't actually undo the romance flag in the game... probably because the "closeness" has some sort of effect on Ashley's attitude towards you in ME3... that may alter whether or not you have to shoot her, etc. I don't know if you can similarly piss off Kaidan. *Inspired* I think my renegade jerk Shepherd will romance Ashley and have her die. Nah. I think you'll end up being sad again. Not as sad as with Thane, but still sad. Wut... you didn't enjoy telling off the council? Oh, I did I didn't know what part of the post the thumbs-up was for. It should have been obvious but um...I claim emotional trauma, ok?
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*Inspired* I think my renegade jerk Shepherd will romance Ashley and have her die. Nah. I think you'll end up being sad again. Not as sad as with Thane, but still sad. Wut... you didn't enjoy telling off the council? Oh, I did I didn't know what part of the post the thumbs-up was for. It should have been obvious but um...I claim emotional trauma, ok? Did you take on any extra passengers after Virmire?
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 9, 2017 5:50:55 GMT
Nah. I think you'll end up being sad again. Not as sad as with Thane, but still sad. Oh, I did I didn't know what part of the post the thumbs-up was for. It should have been obvious but um...I claim emotional trauma, ok? Did you take on any extra passengers after Virmire? Yes, several salarians. I'm not sure how they survived and Kaidan didn't, though. I guess they weren't at the same location?
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Did you take on any extra passengers after Virmire? Yes, several salarians. I'm not sure how they survived and Kaidan didn't, though. I guess they weren't at the same location? I found that mysterious as well... as long as you do all the tasks helping Kirrahe's team, they'll survive regardless of which one you choose. I used to always save the one I send with Kirrahe's team until I accidentally didn't and was shocked to find the Salarians had still made it onboard... sneaky STG guys!
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2017 6:13:24 GMT
Yes, several salarians. I'm not sure how they survived and Kaidan didn't, though. I guess they weren't at the same location? What's even more of a mystery is if all squadmates are recruited, why Shepard didn't have two of them go get A/K while Shepard went to help A/K?
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Post by SpiritVanguard on Mar 9, 2017 7:19:13 GMT
My first time on Virmire I had a feeling I'd lose Kaidan or Ashley when we got to the salarian camp -- which was accidentally confirmed by somebody while I was playing. I was, of course, romancing Kaidan so I sent Ashley along with the salarians. I had some doubts, but she had proved to be professional, so, I wasn't overly worried about her working with them and I wasn't gonna lose Kaidan. Which left him with the bomb. And Shepard saving him at the bomb site. I do prefer that fight to rescuing the salarians, it all feels so dramatic and tense with the BIG BOOM BOMB just sitting there TICKING down while I scuffle with Saren. Pretty intense. It also made some sense to me to make sure the bomb was ok, even though Kirrahe says little can stop it. Then I'm back on the Normandy and see the salarians on my ship and I just Why did they live but Ashley died? At first I thought I could've saved her too, and I was pissed. Alas, not true... Kaidan isn't very nice on Horizon, either. With Ashley, she feels so guilty that she survived instead of Kaidan, and I bet she will feel doubly guilty after Shepard dies at the beginning of 2. I could understand how that might fester in her and come out as fury when she sees Shepard working with Cerberus (especially now that I've seen some of the awful things Cerberus has done in this game). I mean, the scene might still annoy me, but Shepard will understand. That same reasoning can be applied to Kaidan as well, now there's just context. When I saved Ashley she was romanced so I've yet to see her non-romanced version on Horizon, but... It is called the "Horizon Treatment" for a reason.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 9, 2017 12:40:03 GMT
The scene on Horizon was crap. Once the word Cerberus is mentioned, everything else is forgotten. A/K turn stupid. Of course Commander dumba** didn't put forth a good explanation, but A/K should realize that the collectors are the real threat and not Cerberus.
I wonder how different the scene would have been if the asari told someone that Shepard's body was handed to Cerberus. It may not have made a difference, but still....
As far as Cerberus goes. My Shepard had no problem working with them.
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My first time on Virmire I had a feeling I'd lose Kaidan or Ashley when we got to the salarian camp -- which was accidentally confirmed by somebody while I was playing. I was, of course, romancing Kaidan so I sent Ashley along with the salarians. I had some doubts, but she had proved to be professional, so, I wasn't overly worried about her working with them and I wasn't gonna lose Kaidan. Which left him with the bomb. And Shepard saving him at the bomb site. I do prefer that fight to rescuing the salarians, it all feels so dramatic and tense with the BIG BOOM BOMB just sitting there TICKING down while I scuffle with Saren. Pretty intense. It also made some sense to me to make sure the bomb was ok, even though Kirrahe says little can stop it. Then I'm back on the Normandy and see the salarians on my ship and I just Why did they live but Ashley died? At first I thought I could've saved her too, and I was pissed. Alas, not true... I still generally rescue the squad mate with the Salarians. My normal reasoning now is that the squad mate with the bomb has already armed the bomb and is voluntarily staying with it to "make sure the bomb goes off, no matter what." Since that squad mate is protecting the bomb and I trust them, my duty is clear... to go get the Salarians and the squad mate with them and then get all our asses off the planet before the bomb goes off. The fight is more intense at the bomb site (and worth a little more XP). To me, the following dialogues Shepard has about this also make a lot more sense - He says that the VS died a hero in order to save the rest of the team; and in ME2, he says that he had to save as many people as he could. The Salarians being on the ship make more sense if Shepard goes to that group and picks them up. The whole situation, though, is somewhat bogus in that the roles are reversed from what they should be. The Salarians should be putting a squad of their men on Normandy to arm and protect the bomb once it is delivered simply for the fact that it is their jerry-rigged bomb made from their ship's drive core.
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Post by Gourmetrix on Mar 9, 2017 23:50:17 GMT
I still generally rescue the squad mate with the Salarians. My normal reasoning now is that the squad mate with the bomb has already armed the bomb and is voluntarily staying with it to "make sure the bomb goes off, no matter what." Since that squad mate is protecting the bomb and I trust them, my duty is clear... to go get the Salarians and the squad mate with them and then get all our asses off the planet before the bomb goes off. The fight is more intense at the bomb site (and worth a little more XP). To me, the following dialogues Shepard has about this also make a lot more sense - He says that the VS died a hero in order to save the rest of the team; and in ME2, he says that he had to save as many people as he could. The Salarians being on the ship make more sense if Shepard goes to that group and picks them up. The whole situation, though, is somewhat bogus in that the roles are reversed from what they should be. The Salarians should be putting a squad of their men on Normandy to arm and protect the bomb once it is delivered simply for the fact that it is their jerry-rigged bomb made from their ship's drive core. Not just a little more XP. Double the XP that you get from the tower. Not that it'll get you anywhere near level 60 in a single playthrough, but it did surprise me.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 10, 2017 2:26:27 GMT
I've started Ilos. Told Anderson to break into Udina's computer and got to see Anderson knock him out. Had surprisingly rough asari sex...I will never look at Liara the same way again
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 10, 2017 3:09:10 GMT
AAAAAAH wtf...those damn keepers?! I knew their activities seemed a little shady, but this??
So glad I'm scanning those fuckers, although I don't think I scanned enough of them. I need to tell my scientist friend what he's stumbled upon, if he hasn't already met with a nasty "accident."
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 10, 2017 3:55:00 GMT
Ummmm.... Saving the council is more in line with Shepard's personality, and I already had a worldstate where the council was sacrificed...so I guess I'll save them? I'm not confident in this choice. Edit: Shit. I thought killing Saren was too easy.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 10, 2017 4:14:13 GMT
Daaaw, they were all worried about Shepard! So was I! For her psychiatric state, at least, if she'd had yet another near-death experience in her life. What, was she just hiding back there? When they all smiled, I did too I recommended Anderson for the council. We'll see whether that makes any kind of difference in the next two games. I'm going to go ahead and import this character into ME2 and start playing, but I'll move my comments to the appropriate "What did you do today?" thread.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 10, 2017 4:20:28 GMT
Oh no. Kaidan died and you saved racist Ashley. She'll rip you a new one in Horizon and you will be a sad panda. Ouch. I go with other poster and vote you shoot her in ME3! She can be xenophobic at times, and gets badly misquoted in ME2 if she was the one who died on Virmire, but I don't think she's that bad. However, I hate an ME universe without Kaidan in it so...sorry, Ash, I can romance tons of women but not too many guys. You lose.
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Post by melbella on Mar 10, 2017 5:39:47 GMT
Daaaw, they were all worried about Shepard! So was I! For her psychiatric state, at least, if she'd had yet another near-death experience in her life. What, was she just hiding back there? When they all smiled, I did too I recommended Anderson for the council. We'll see whether that makes any kind of difference in the next two games. I'm going to go ahead and import this character into ME2 and start playing, but I'll move my comments to the appropriate "What did you do today?" thread.
Congrats in finishing! The first time I played ME1, I knew already that Shepard started ME2 dead, so I thought the end there was where Shepard died. Was glad to be proven wrong.
See you in the What did you do today? thread.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Mar 10, 2017 6:56:32 GMT
Saving the council is more in line with Shepard's personality, and I already had a worldstate where the council was sacrificed...so I guess I'll save them? I'm not confident in this choice. Don't worry, it has absolutely zero effect on the next two games' plots anyway.
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Post by phoray on Mar 10, 2017 7:10:36 GMT
You played the game in 9 pages? .... I must talk too much.
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Post by phoray on Mar 10, 2017 7:11:45 GMT
Saving the council is more in line with Shepard's personality, and I already had a worldstate where the council was sacrificed...so I guess I'll save them? I'm not confident in this choice. Don't worry, it has absolutely zero effect on the next two games' plots anyway.
AS far as I can tell, they retcon the choice in ME3 by digging up some drama on Anderson and putting Udina in the position regardless. right?
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Post by themikefest on Mar 10, 2017 12:28:03 GMT
You played the game in 9 pages? .... I must talk too much. Don't feel bad. I've played the game in one post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 13:19:03 GMT
Ummmm.... Saving the council is more in line with Shepard's personality, and I already had a worldstate where the council was sacrificed...so I guess I'll save them? I'm not confident in this choice. Edit: Shit. I thought killing Saren was too easy. There are 3 different world states involving the council - saved; saved and replaced with a new mult-species council (default); and saved and replaced with an all human council. It can affect Shepard's ability to keep his/her spectre status in ME2. In ME3, a multi-species council returns regardless and Shepard gets reinstated as a specture regardless in ME3. So, all even an all-human council in ME2 does is change the "tone" of things on the Citadel in ME2 (as in how much anti-human sentiment you can overhear being expressed during the game). One of the biggest dialogue changes is the speech Joram Talid makes during Thane's loyalty mission. Yeah, the final battle with Saren is pretty underwhelming. Did you talk Saren into committing suicide or fight him while he was flying around on his little platform? I usually don't talk him into suiciding just to get at least a little more out of the final battle... but it's still not that difficult a fight. Congratulations on finishing ME1. No more mako!
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 10, 2017 18:31:12 GMT
You played the game in 9 pages? .... I must talk too much. Nah. I think you just managed to get a lot more followers. Plus, your thread covers the two newer games, rather than the one older game.
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