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Post by SKAR on Mar 7, 2017 23:25:31 GMT
To put things in perspective, AI going to another galaxy for "exploration and resources" is not unlike us right now going to Proxima Centauri b because "exploration and resources." IKR! I've been comparing it to us going to mars as well. Every time people give me hate.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 7, 2017 23:35:52 GMT
To put things in perspective, AI going to another galaxy for "exploration and resources" is not unlike us right now going to Proxima Centauri b because "exploration and resources." IKR! I've been comparing it to us going to mars as well. Every time people give me hate. It's not quite on the same level, all those plans have an actual, tangible motivation behind them... if anything, the Ai more like a "because it is there" situation, which is frankly the only reason I have left that makes any sense.
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Post by alleyd on Mar 7, 2017 23:37:39 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won. I could be proven wrong, but I always had an hypothesis about the andromeda intiative : The council may have not believe Shepard about the reaper BUT like the salarian spectre in ME 3 that was following kasumi, we know that some people believed in the warnings of shepard. What if some very rich and influent men believed him, and they thought also that the reapers were coming to the milky way to extreminate everybody. But since the council decided to not prepare themselves for the arrival, these influent people decided to organize an expedition to go to andromeda. Officialy the expedition would be "we are there to explore" but in fact, its just that these powerful person wanted to get the fuck out of the mily way before the reaper came to the milky way. Just a thought. I also had an idea that one of the rich and influential humans involved in the Ai was Jonah Ashland, the CEO of Eldfell Ashland Energy. The lore description of EAE makes them perfect candidates for having supported a project such as the Andromeda Initiative WIKI In 2137, the Ashland Energy Corporation successfully extracted helium-3 from Saturn's atmosphere, beginning a new era of fusion research. On the wave of this success, they merged with Eldfell Construction to vertically integrate the two companies' strengths. Ashland would recover the raw materials for energy production, and Eldfell would build power plants, refineries, and pipelines on nearby worlds to distribute Ashland's products to the consumer. Eldfell-Ashland Energy was born. As EAE's reach extended, they absorbed companies to create a "cradle-to-grave corporate experience" for their employees. Today, subsidiaries such as Second Star Living recruit colonists to staff EAE facilities, and the education group Excelsior provides job-related education opportunities to provide EAE stations with a qualified incoming workforce. Water, power, food, shipping -- EAE provides them all. If EAE wants to put a colony on a garden world, they are able to do so and keep 90% of services performed completely in-house, creating consumers out of its own employees. Its primary revenue stream, however, continues to come from mining base elements like hydrogen, helium-3, and eezo and trading in their futures.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:04:00 GMT
IKR! I've been comparing it to us going to mars as well. Every time people give me hate. It's not quite on the same level, all those plans have an actual, tangible motivation behind them... if anything, the Ai more like a "because it is there" situation, which is frankly the only reason I have left that makes any sense. It's no different. alpha or proxima Centauri "is there". Why not go to Andromeda? There is no good reason not to go and a million reasons to go.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:07:00 GMT
It's not quite on the same level, all those plans have an actual, tangible motivation behind them... if anything, the Ai more like a "because it is there" situation, which is frankly the only reason I have left that makes any sense. It's no different. Alpha Centauri "is there". Yes, but it also is the most likely location of the NEAREST planet capable of sustaining human life... now guess what would be driving reason for us to there.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:07:57 GMT
It's no different. Alpha Centauri "is there". Yes, but it also is the most likely location of the NEAREST possible world suitable for human colonization... now guess what would be driving reason for us to there. Andromeda is our closest major galaxy. Bigger than ours.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:09:52 GMT
Yes, but it also is the most likely location of the NEAREST possible world suitable for human colonization... now guess what would be driving reason for us to there. Andromeda is our closest major galaxy. Bigger than ours. Yes, but that's it... it's there.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:10:46 GMT
Andromeda is our closest major galaxy. Bigger than ours. Yes, but that's it... it's there. And no one is stopping us from going there. For exploration and colonization.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:13:45 GMT
Yes, but that's it... it's there. And no one is stopping us from going there. For exploration and colonization. *sigh* Ok ok... I give up. Humans would be that stupid, I guess...
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:14:30 GMT
And no one is stopping us from going there. For exploration and colonization. *sigh* Ok ok... I give up. Humans would be that stupid, I guess... Why is it stupid?
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Post by Iakus on Mar 8, 2017 0:15:18 GMT
And no one is stopping us from going there. For exploration and colonization. *sigh* Ok ok... I give up. Humans would be that stupid, I guess... Basically the AI is 100,000 space hispters going "The Milky Way is too mainstream, man"
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 8, 2017 0:16:07 GMT
It's not quite on the same level, all those plans have an actual, tangible motivation behind them... if anything, the Ai more like a "because it is there" situation, which is frankly the only reason I have left that makes any sense. It's no different. alpha or proxima Centauri "is there". Why not go to Andromeda? There is no good reason not to go and a million reasons to go. The reason not to go is that it would have an exceedingly high cost that wouldn't give us anything extra over simply exploring other areas of the Milky Way which would be vastly cheaper. It would actually be like skipping Alpha/Proxima Centauri and trying to colonize other Earth-like planets that are 100 times further. There's no real reason to do it other than "let's go there for the sake of going there" over simply going to Alpha/Proxima Centauri which would be a much more feasible thing to do.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:21:40 GMT
*sigh* Ok ok... I give up. Humans would be that stupid, I guess... Basically the AI is 100,000 space hispters going "The Milky Way is too mainstream, man" ...and they even bring slam poetry with them. The BioWare mindset in action...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:22:27 GMT
My issue with the premise lies in the rather blatent lack of attention given to the obvious issues the Andromeda Initiative would raise. The impact of the Andromeda Initiative as presented is being disproportionate to what it logically could have been. I'm willing to accept that original Mass Effect cast never talked about Andromeda if such a discussion was never warranted. Unfortunately Bioware pushed al sensability out of the window when they gave us several massive ark ships and an even larger Nexus, each utilizing groundbreak cryo and Mass Drive technologies. Combine this with the very open nature of the Andromeda Initiative and you have an elephant in the room waiting to be addressed.
Point being, I wished Bioware had presented the premise in a more clever fashion, not in a way that should have massievely shocked up the Milky Way galaxy.
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:26:10 GMT
It's no different. alpha or proxima Centauri "is there". Why not go to Andromeda? There is no good reason not to go and a million reasons to go. The reason not to go is that it would have an exceedingly high cost that wouldn't give us anything extra over simply exploring other areas of the Milky Way which would be vastly cheaper. It would actually be like skipping Alpha/Proxima Centauri and trying to colonize other Earth-like planets that are 100 times further. There's no real reason to do it other than "let's go there for the sake of going there" over simply going to Alpha/Proxima Centauri which would be a much more feasible thing to do. They have people to explore the milky way. Besides, once we get to Alpha/proxima it's not like we're gonna stop expanding. This isn't about costs or exploring the milky way. The Andromeda Initiative is privately funded. Like I said, there is no solid good reason not to go. Intergalactic travel. Something that as far as we know hasn't been attempted. It's an incredible feat. There are civilian corporations like mars one funding missions to get to the red planet. It's not like we're taking the whole milky way.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 8, 2017 0:33:17 GMT
Funny thing is, pretty much everyone in this thread is going to buy the game.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:42:50 GMT
Funny thing is, pretty much everyone in this thread is going to buy the game. Yea, almost as funny as people that feel the need to point that out...
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Post by jastall on Mar 8, 2017 0:43:51 GMT
It's no different. alpha or proxima Centauri "is there". Why not go to Andromeda? There is no good reason not to go and a million reasons to go. The reason not to go is that it would have an exceedingly high cost that wouldn't give us anything extra over simply exploring other areas of the Milky Way which would be vastly cheaper. It would actually be like skipping Alpha/Proxima Centauri and trying to colonize other Earth-like planets that are 100 times further. There's no real reason to do it other than "let's go there for the sake of going there" over simply going to Alpha/Proxima Centauri which would be a much more feasible thing to do. As I stated earlier, have we considered the possibility that the Council vetoed large-scale exploration in the Milky Way to avoid Rachnis 2.0? But that Andromeda being so far away, they had no problem with the expedition? Not saying it explains everything, but it would answer why the Initiative wasn't targeted at, say, the Terminus Systems or Perseus Veil. The fact that Andromeda wasn't being genocided every 50k years might also mean it has a higher concentration of habitable (or ''habitable'' on long-range scanners) planets than the Milky Way, which would give another motivation. We really can't judge until the actual game releases, I think, and we get our hands on all the info.
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Post by snorkamus on Mar 8, 2017 0:44:10 GMT
How much did the US government spend on their space program to go to the moon? what did the moon offer in returns?
EXPLORATION
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Post by SKAR on Mar 8, 2017 0:48:50 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won. Can't be. Plans started in 2176. If they knew the reapers would show up before shep, they would've told everyone. I doubt cerberus was involved but who knows.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 8, 2017 0:48:54 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won. this is a possibility. maybe they DID believe Shepard (behind closed doors) and decided to send out colonists to escape the Reapers. I said in another post that we may run into other races (like some Protheans) that may have done the same thing. the natural instinct is fight or flight and many may have chosen to leave.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 0:51:11 GMT
How much did the US government spend on their space program to go to the moon? what did the moon offer in returns? EXPLORATION ...again, not the main reason. They just wanted to beat Russia to it, which they did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:54:14 GMT
The reason not to go is that it would have an exceedingly high cost that wouldn't give us anything extra over simply exploring other areas of the Milky Way which would be vastly cheaper. It would actually be like skipping Alpha/Proxima Centauri and trying to colonize other Earth-like planets that are 100 times further. There's no real reason to do it other than "let's go there for the sake of going there" over simply going to Alpha/Proxima Centauri which would be a much more feasible thing to do. They have people to explore the milky way. Besides, once we get to Alpha/proxima it's not like we're gonna stop expanding. This isn't about costs or exploring the milky way. The Andromeda Initiative is privately funded. Like I said, there is no solid good reason not to go. Intergalactic travel. Something that as far as we know hasn't been attempted. It's an incredible feat. There are civilian corporations like mars one funding missions to get to the red planet. It's not like we're taking the whole milky way. I agree. It's not like the premise is that the ONLY exploration being done anywhere is to Andromeda. It's safe to assume that there are probably several other ventures of varying sizes constantly continuing to explore various sectors of the Milky Way... they just are not the subject of this particular Mass Effect story. The group that decided to go to Andromeda is the subject of this story. People keep citing the costs... but for a whole galaxy of 60 billion people (and that's just what's listed in the codex) and the amount of economic activity generated by that sort of population and a galaxy full of known planets with resources to exploit, the cost of building 4 arks and one base ship to house, in total 100,000 people isn't all that big... nor is a venture that size likely to attract the attention of the entire galaxy. Shepard's crucible (a Prothean weapon of mass destruction) didn't even initially attract the attention of the council races he was trying to enlist to support it. Yet, they were able to, quite easily, build it in a matter of a few weeks in the middle of a war (when tons of resources are going into just fighting various battles around the galalxy). They were also able to build it right at Arcturus... and neither the Reapers nor Cerberus every found out it's location.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2017 0:56:39 GMT
How much did the US government spend on their space program to go to the moon? what did the moon offer in returns? EXPLORATION ...again, not the main reason. They just wanted to beat Russia to it, which they did. Well, maybe the AI just wants to beat XYZ company to Andromeda so it's their names that go down in history as the ones who proved that intergalactic travel was possible.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 8, 2017 1:01:42 GMT
...again, not the main reason. They just wanted to beat Russia to it, which they did. Well, maybe the AI just wants to beat XYZ company to Andromeda so it's their names that go down in history as the ones who proved that intergalactic travel was possible. Possible! I would take that for a reason... it's not a much better reason to be honest, but it would be something. Maybe that's even the case, we don't know yet... for now, though, no tangible reason has been given.
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