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Post by kingjuly on Mar 7, 2017 5:53:41 GMT
Im starting to get tilted by all the people saying that the Ai makes no sense and that the purpose for it existing is poorly thought out. I honestly don't understand why people are saying this. The purpose, at least on an official level, is for exploration and colonisation. BOTH of these were primary reasons for expeditions in Human history and will be primary reasons for us to leave Earth at some point in our far future so how the fuck does it not make sense for the Ai to exist within the ME universe?
I don't understand why so many people feel as though Cerberus must be involved or that there HAS to be some ulterior motive behind Ai's existence. Believe it or not, but exploration and colonisation are good enough reasons each on their own for an expedition like this. Not everything has to be some super secret plot at universal domination.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 7, 2017 5:57:30 GMT
Well I feel that there is ulterior motives because A. its a staple of the sub genre, and B. it causes conflict, and C. some of the marketing material actually hint at there being some reasons. Not that I have any issue with humans just wanting to go and explore for 'non sensicale' reasons its just my spidey senses are tingling that there is something more going on.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 7, 2017 6:01:45 GMT
Well I feel that there is ulterior motives because A. its a staple of the sub genre, and B. it causes conflict, and C. some of the marketing material actually hint at there being some reasons. Not that I have any issue with humans just wanting to go and explore for 'non sensicale' reasons its just my spidey senses are tingling that there is something more going on. Oh yeah, Id be fine if there were some ulterior motives but even if there arent there are a ton of people getting so pissy about how reasonable the Ai is from a public perspective. "How dare they explore and colonise another galaxy! We wouldnt do that unless we had some ulterior motive like universal domination or some shit!"
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Post by colfoley on Mar 7, 2017 6:04:57 GMT
Well I feel that there is ulterior motives because A. its a staple of the sub genre, and B. it causes conflict, and C. some of the marketing material actually hint at there being some reasons. Not that I have any issue with humans just wanting to go and explore for 'non sensicale' reasons its just my spidey senses are tingling that there is something more going on. Oh yeah, Id be fine if there were some ulterior motives but even if there arent there are a ton of people getting so pissy about how reasonable the Ai is from a public perspective. "How dare they explore and colonise another galaxy! We wouldnt do that unless we had some ulterior motive like universal domination or some shit!" When it comes to exploration humanity has been doing unreasonable shit for flimsy reasons for centuries. Pretty much the same reasons that the AI has listed actually. Which is the whole point of Andromeda, as a game...the 'theme' if you will...and things like Star Trek too. At least Stargate was trying to bring back advanced technologies to defend Earth.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 6:15:28 GMT
The way I see it has more to do with practical limitaions and the small timeframe in which the entire expedition was set up. Humanity only discovered Mass Effect tech some 30+ years prior to the trilogy. It doesn't make sense for us to be spearheading such an immense scientific effort when we've got neither the economy nor experience to support such a venture. The codex was always pretty blunt about humanity still lagging behind the other Citadel races, but the humanity is speshul narrative got the better part of Bioware once more.
If anything the Andromeda Initiative should be in development for decades or even centuries before humanity appeared on the galactic scene. Then after the Battle of the Citadel Humanity would be invited on board for their achievments and it would feel a lot less contrived.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 7, 2017 6:19:58 GMT
The way I see it has more to do with practical limitaions and the small timeframe in which the entire expedition was set up. Humanity only discovered Mass Effect tech some 30+ years prior to the trilogy. It doesn't make sense for us to be spearheading such an immense scientific effort when we've got neither the economy nor experience to support such a venture. The codex was always pretty blunt about humanity still lagging behind the other Citadel races, but the humanity is speshul narrative got the better part of Bioware once more. If anything the Andromeda Initiative should be in development for decades or even centuries before humanity appeared on the galactic scene. Then after the Battle of the Citadel Humanity would be invited on board for their achievments and it would feel a lot less contrived. Humanity may be 'spreaheading it' but it is a multip species effort thanks to everyone major in the Galaxy supporting it. Essentially it may have been humanity's idea but a lot of the technology and design and costs are from multiple interests including Asari, Turian, Salarian, Quarian, Krogan, etc, etc, etc. Actually just like how it did in the OT. The Normandy was a human idea, and human starship, but Turians helped design her as a good will gesture.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 7, 2017 6:23:58 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area.
When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it.
Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 7, 2017 6:28:10 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area. When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it. Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief. Just like there was little sense in exploring/ colonizing the America's in the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries when there was so much of Europe still left to explore and just expand in.
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Post by kingjuly on Mar 7, 2017 6:34:39 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area. When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it. Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief. How doesn't that make sense though? Think of it like this, lets say Earth was largely unexplored but somebody gave you the opportunity to explore...Mars? Which is more enticing? It makes total sense for someone to want to explore Mars over Earth or in this case, Andromeda over the Milky Way. Its a challenge, its a once in a lifetime journey. I imagine the colonisation effort would have a similar appeal to those who want to get away from something or to experience something no one else can. People cant sit there and tell me it makes no sense. Why? Because if I can find sense in it, and other people can find sense in it, then it clearly makes sense to SOME people, and those kinds of people would be the people who would make a trip like this.
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 7, 2017 6:45:47 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 7, 2017 6:50:08 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area. When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it. Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief. Just like there was little sense in exploring/ colonizing the America's in the 15th, 16th, and 17th centuries when there was so much of Europe still left to explore and just expand in. Just how much of habitable Europe, to the best of your knowledge, was to be explored and settled in late XVth and early XVIth century? Every scrap of land in Eurasia was already a part of several empires by then.
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 7, 2017 6:53:06 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area. When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it. Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief. How doesn't that make sense though? Think of it like this, lets say Earth was largely unexplored but somebody gave you the opportunity to explore...Mars? Which is more enticing? It makes total sense for someone to want to explore Mars over Earth or in this case, Andromeda over the Milky Way. Its a challenge, its a once in a lifetime journey. I imagine the colonisation effort would have a similar appeal to those who want to get away from something or to experience something no one else can. People cant sit there and tell me it makes no sense. Why? Because if I can find sense in it, and other people can find sense in it, then it clearly makes sense to SOME people, and those kinds of people would be the people who would make a trip like this. If Earth was largely unexplored we would finish exploring it before any sane investors were willing to throw millions of dollars at going to Mars just for the hell of it when Earth was still just as good. On top of that unless all of those investors are coming with us, they wont be getting anything out of their investment because at 600 years to make the trip we're certainly not sending anything back. Not to mention that you can still get away from everything and experience something no one else can while still in the milky way. The current percentage of the galaxy explored is around 3% during the original trilogy(which is the time of leaving). It's not that Andromeda isn't an exciting prospect for a place to explore, it's that from a practical standpoint there is no sense in going there given how difficult it is to get there as well as all of the prime exploring and colonization we've got right here in the Milky Way.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 7, 2017 6:54:26 GMT
It doesn't really make much sense to colonize Andromeda when so much of the Milky Way remains unexplored. There's not much sense in expending the effort to get to another galaxy when the primary reason for doing it are for things that there is still a lot of in the immediate area. When you look into the details, the initiative makes so little sense that people think there has to be something else to it. Though I don't find it a fact that I can't overcome with suspension of disbelief. I agree with this. When we're talking a universe in which we have still places demanding massive resources to explore (like past Omega relay) I will be disappointed if the AI isn't revealed to be a contingency plan 'in case that nutjob Shepard is right'. But Jesus, if it would be that way then there's little doubt we'll have a return of omnipotent and omnipresent Cerberus.
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Post by malgus on Mar 7, 2017 6:55:24 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won. I could be proven wrong, but I always had an hypothesis about the andromeda intiative : The council may have not believe Shepard about the reaper BUT like the salarian spectre in ME 3 that was following kasumi, we know that some people believed in the warnings of shepard. What if some very rich and influent men believed him, and they thought also that the reapers were coming to the milky way to extreminate everybody. But since the council decided to not prepare themselves for the arrival, these influent people decided to organize an expedition to go to andromeda. Officialy the expedition would be "we are there to explore" but in fact, its just that these powerful person wanted to get the fuck out of the mily way before the reaper came to the milky way. Just a thought.
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Post by snook on Mar 7, 2017 6:59:04 GMT
I like the idea of exploring for the sake of exploring - though I doubt that's the only motive of the Andromeda Initiative, yeah.
But my only real problem with it is the astronomical amount of money they must have spent on it. They basically built their own Citadel. And several smaller Citadels. Then they built the Crucible a year later. That's a bunch of colossal undertakings in a very short period. How much money and resources do people just have kicking around nowadays?
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 7, 2017 6:59:13 GMT
How doesn't that make sense though? Think of it like this, lets say Earth was largely unexplored but somebody gave you the opportunity to explore...Mars? Which is more enticing? It makes total sense for someone to want to explore Mars over Earth or in this case, Andromeda over the Milky Way. Its a challenge, its a once in a lifetime journey. I imagine the colonisation effort would have a similar appeal to those who want to get away from something or to experience something no one else can. People cant sit there and tell me it makes no sense. Why? Because if I can find sense in it, and other people can find sense in it, then it clearly makes sense to SOME people, and those kinds of people would be the people who would make a trip like this. If Earth was largely unexplored we would finish exploring it before any sane investors were willing to throw millions of dollars at going to Mars just for the hell of it when Earth was still just as good. On top of that unless all of those investors are coming with us, they wont be getting anything out of their investment because at 600 years to make the trip we're certainly not sending anything back. Not to mention that you can still get away from everything and experience something no one else can while still in the milky way. The current percentage of the galaxy explored is around 3% during the original trilogy(which is the time of leaving). It's not that Andromeda isn't an exciting prospect for a place to explore, it's that from a practical standpoint there is no sense in going there given how difficult it is to get there as well as all of the prime exploring and colonization we've got right here in the Milky Way. You seem to ignore Peebee character profile. She's apparently a being that has 'been there/done that' in ALL the Milky Way, despite being a teen in Asari years. So at least AI makes sense from her perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 7:03:52 GMT
People are just going to continue to hate on it regardless of whether or not Bioware gives us any reason at all. Let them. In the end, it matters not... This story is going there regardless and it's the beginning of a new story that is NOT obviously connected in any way to the story that occurred in the Milky Way. (shrug)
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 7, 2017 7:04:17 GMT
I like the idea of exploring for the sake of exploring - though I doubt that's the only motive of the Andromeda Initiative, yeah. But my only real problem with it is the astronomical amount of money they must have spent on it. They basically built their own Citadel. And several smaller Citadels. Then they built the Crucible a year later. That's a bunch of colossal undertakings in a very short period. How much money and resources do people just have kicking around nowadays? Hopefully Bioware doesn't use Cerberus as an excuse for all these resources.
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Post by snook on Mar 7, 2017 7:07:51 GMT
I like the idea of exploring for the sake of exploring - though I doubt that's the only motive of the Andromeda Initiative, yeah. But my only real problem with it is the astronomical amount of money they must have spent on it. They basically built their own Citadel. And several smaller Citadels. Then they built the Crucible a year later. That's a bunch of colossal undertakings in a very short period. How much money and resources do people just have kicking around nowadays? Hopefully Bioware doesn't use Cerberus as an excuse for all these resources. I hope not. I'd sooner have it explained that the Andromeda Initiative was funded by the jarred brains of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and Elon Musk.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 7, 2017 7:09:26 GMT
Hopefully Bioware doesn't use Cerberus as an excuse for all these resources. I hope not. I'd sooner have it explained that the Andromeda Initiative was funded by the jarred brains of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and Elon Musk. I'll accept a 2185 version of Elon Musk. Edit: Did not see you mentioned him already silly me
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Post by snook on Mar 7, 2017 7:14:05 GMT
I hope not. I'd sooner have it explained that the Andromeda Initiative was funded by the jarred brains of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates and Elon Musk. I'll accept a 2185 version of Elon Musk. Edit: Did not see you mentioned him already silly me Honestly if I was to believe anyone is going to pull a Mr. House and be a shriveled husk kept alive in a tube by 2185, it'd probably be him.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Mar 7, 2017 7:16:08 GMT
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Post by NRieh on Mar 7, 2017 7:16:33 GMT
Pretty much this. Colonisation&discoveries are all good, but there is a f*inlg load of things to do&explore within the Milky Way. It's like walking 30 miles to the supermarket for a bottle of milk or an egg when you've got a farm.
It's not the same. Europe is not that big. People had been looking for more breathing room & better life. MW has plenty of places to settle down, away from the overcrowded 'capital' planets. Terra Nova, Horizon, Eden Prime, Ferros ARE THE'wild-wild-west' of MEU.
E.g. in the 'Expanse' there is nowhere to run. It's either the Belt, Mars or Earth. Sol system does not have anything else to offer. For them it makes perfect sense to jump into the unknown of the gates and get more air, more water and more sky.
Another disturbing thing - they could not sell the vey idea of 'exploration and colonization' to me. I've (mostly) seen shooting arenas. Non-combat aspect of the game is non-existent at this point (and they had even confirmed that there is no way to avoid combat with diplomacy or stealth skills).
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Post by NRieh on Mar 7, 2017 7:23:16 GMT
I assumed it was a backup plan in case the reapers won. Now that would sound plausible.... if not for the fact that up to the very Arrival\beginning of ME3 no one took Shep's warnings seriously. And even if they did - the timeline is too short for such a project to be developed. That, and the devs had stated multiple times that AI is a 100% stand-alone project not tied with the main trilogy. (and no, I don't know what are we supposed to think of MEA cover with its 'New hero rises to save humanity' tag - it does not make any sense either)
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Post by danishgambit on Mar 7, 2017 7:50:00 GMT
If Earth was largely unexplored we would finish exploring it before any sane investors were willing to throw millions of dollars at going to Mars just for the hell of it when Earth was still just as good. On top of that unless all of those investors are coming with us, they wont be getting anything out of their investment because at 600 years to make the trip we're certainly not sending anything back. Not to mention that you can still get away from everything and experience something no one else can while still in the milky way. The current percentage of the galaxy explored is around 3% during the original trilogy(which is the time of leaving). It's not that Andromeda isn't an exciting prospect for a place to explore, it's that from a practical standpoint there is no sense in going there given how difficult it is to get there as well as all of the prime exploring and colonization we've got right here in the Milky Way. You seem to ignore Peebee character profile. She's apparently a being that has 'been there/done that' in ALL the Milky Way, despite being a teen in Asari years. So at least AI makes sense from her perspective. According to Matriarch Aethyeta she should be shaking her ass in a bar somewhere or joining a mercenary group so at least she's doing something positive with her time.
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