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Post by Natashina on Mar 12, 2017 3:45:43 GMT
This thread is not just about gay/bi men desiring this archetype, but also for the lesbian/bi women too.  An asari commando leader would certainly fit. |
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Post by Lady Artifice on Mar 12, 2017 3:47:21 GMT
It will be such a shame if both Liam and Cora do turn out to be exclusively straight options, as it appears. They're both very very KISA reminiscent.
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Post by zeowik on Mar 12, 2017 4:03:53 GMT
This encapsulates my worry about the "it has to make sense" statement and rumors. I really hope it isn't true for ME: Andromeda too.
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Post by Crim on Mar 12, 2017 4:04:03 GMT
Most of what I'd like has already been put forward so I'll add this...
Genderbend Blackwall, a female Blackwall. Just so I could have a fem PC who could experience a glorious hot and heavy ravishing in a stable, just to be bent over and taken again and again, or a female Cullen. Srsly, I really enjoyed the fuck outta that romance even if I never found him attractive.
Have other thoughts, just need to gather em.
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 12, 2017 4:20:26 GMT
What I find funny is that Aveline, Cassandra and Cullen are all immoral pricks to a greater or lesser degree, and given that track record (let's also not forget Sebastian), the KISAs have been just as bad as if not worse than the others. So to be honest, I'd rather not have a lesbian one until that changes.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 12, 2017 4:22:26 GMT
What I find funny is that Aveline, Cassandra and Cullen are all immoral pricks to a greater or lesser degree, and given that track record (let's also not forget Sebastian), the KISAs have been just as bad as if not worse than the others. So to be honest, I'd rather not have a lesbian one until that changes. That sort of thing is why I've wanted to be able to romance Aveline or Cassandra as a woman. I don't want to romance a character with no flaws who does nothing wrong, though I agree that their flaws and wrongdoing should be acknowledged by the narrative and/or other characters in the story. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 4:25:08 GMT
Hey, guys!  I love KISA type, The protector, who always stand by the justice. Only one problem I have with KISA definition: LAWFUL. I prefer neutral good. The law not always right – may be wrong. |
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Post by xilizhra on Mar 12, 2017 4:28:20 GMT
What I find funny is that Aveline, Cassandra and Cullen are all immoral pricks to a greater or lesser degree, and given that track record (let's also not forget Sebastian), the KISAs have been just as bad as if not worse than the others. So to be honest, I'd rather not have a lesbian one until that changes. That sort of thing is why I've wanted to be able to romance Aveline or Cassandra as a woman. I don't want to romance a character with no flaws who does nothing wrong, though I agree that their flaws and wrongdoing should be acknowledged by the narrative and/or other characters in the story. The thing is, I prefer being darker than my LI, if there's going to be a moral difference. I want her to be my morality pet who keeps me in the light, ideally; this is basically how I enjoyed the Leliana romance in DAO. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Mar 12, 2017 4:39:28 GMT
Honestly I've never understood what all the fuss is about with regards to KISA characters. I certainly don't mind them, but it's not an archetype that ever really stood out to me. That said, I am interested in learning what it is about these characters that makes all of you so passionate about them. My story with KISAs has no mystery, I blame Disney and I've always been jealous of the princesses  |
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 12, 2017 4:42:48 GMT
One specific idea I really liked that someone mentioned on the old BSN is a Tevinter Templar who left the order because of all the corruption. I think that has potential.
In general, I love playing Sword & Sorcerer combos, with myself as the sorcerer. Origins would have been pretty much perfect if it had given me the option to do that with Alistair without having to play a female character.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 5:09:46 GMT
THE GAY KISA THREAD IS BACK!!!!!  Thanks sandal! My new home! |
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Post by Natashina on Mar 12, 2017 5:13:09 GMT
@daveliam I gave him the go ahead to start it up. When the romance thread talked talking about Werewolves and Lizard People (Skyrim) for KISAs, I figure it was time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 5:19:46 GMT
So since we are now in a new forum, I'll share what started me on my KISA obsession. I watched Excalibur as a young kid and had a GIGANTIC crush on Lancelot (granted, Lancelot isn't a traditional KISA, but in this movie, he was pretty much in that trope). He was played by the super fine Nicholas Clay and he (plus John Schneider in Dukes of Hazard) became the archetype for my dream guy. This is what I want for a m/m LI. Bioware makes them, but they are always straight and I am not going to play a lady to romance them. I don't want to be his "lady". I want him to want his "lord".  |
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Post by Crim on Mar 12, 2017 5:25:12 GMT
Just, such a shame about Cora, she is a gorg KISA, could have been the one guise, finally, our elusive female human squadmate LI *frustrated sobbing* Le sigh, her romance, that lil leak sounds wonderful too. Just picture that touch of resentment she has towards Ryder, you outrank her, she's the more experienced soldier. The sexual tension builds, those asari trained well honed biotics flaring, she pins fRyder to the nearest bulkhead and justs #@!*% |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2017 5:35:10 GMT
So since we are now in a new forum, I'll share what started me on my KISA obsession. I watched Excalibur as a young kid and had a GIGANTIC crush on Lancelot ( granted, Lancelot isn't a traditional KISA, but in this movie, he was pretty much in that trope). He was played by the super fine Nicholas Clay and he (plus John Schneider in Dukes of Hazard) became the archetype for my dream guy. This is what I want for a m/m LI. Bioware makes them, but they are always straight and I am not going to play a lady to romance them. I don't want to be his "lady". I want him to want his "lord". *snip* Aww, and I was about to go into a discussion about Arthurian lore but then you had to put that.  |
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 6:05:39 GMT
Hey, guys! I love KISA type, The protector, who always stand by the justice. Only one problem I have with KISA definition: LAWFUL. I prefer neutral good. The law not always right – may be wrong. Hmm interesting thought here. Are BioWare KISAs usually lawful good or neutral good? I would argue that Cullen is lawful neutral, at least for the first two games. He will turn his head if he sees something that is "bad" yet still lawful (making mages Tranquil). Aveline is more lawful good (she will not turn a blind eye to injustice ... unless her own prejudices get in the way, of course; she is human, after all); while Cassandra maybe is also lawful good? She breaks from the Chantry because it's crap, and she's literally on a crusade for good. Hmm. In ME, Kaidan is definitely lawful neutral; think about it, Shepard has to talk him down in ME3 over the whole Udina incident. Even with the facts in front of his face, Kaidan is intent on "doing his job" (following the law no matter what). More lawful neutral than lawful good? He's also very "I'm just doing my job" on Horizon in ME2. I am hoping lawful good for Jaal and maybe a bit chaotic good for Reyes, which would be hilarious for a detective, hehehe Lawful neutral for Cora; she'll need to have her eyes opened and forced to not tow the line. Yes I've thought about this way too much. It's possible I've already thought this through recently before coming to this thread. I always get lawful neutral for these tests, so I tend to relate to those characters and really like them. |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 12, 2017 6:13:22 GMT
Hey, guys! I love KISA type, The protector, who always stand by the justice. Only one problem I have with KISA definition: LAWFUL. I prefer neutral good. The law not always right – may be wrong. Hmm interesting thought here. Are BioWare KISAs usually lawful good or neutral good? I would argue that Cullen is lawful neutral, at least for the first two games. He will turn his head if he sees something that is "bad" yet still lawful (making mages Tranquil). Aveline is more lawful good (she will not turn a blind eye to injustice ... unless her own prejudices get in the way, of course; she is human, after all); while Cassandra maybe is also lawful good? She breaks from the Chantry because it's crap, and she's literally on a crusade for good. Hmm. In ME, Kaidan is definitely lawful neutral; think about it, Shepard has to talk him down in ME3 over the whole Udina incident. Even with the facts in front of his face, Kaidan is intent on "doing his job" (following the law no matter what). More lawful neutral than lawful good? He's also very "I'm just doing my job" on Horizon in ME2. I am hoping lawful good for Jaal and maybe a bit chaotic good for Reyes, which would be hilarious for a detective, hehehe Lawful neutral for Cora; she'll need to have her eyes opened and forced to not tow the line. Yes I've thought about this way too much. It's possible I've already thought this through recently before coming to this thread. I always get lawful neutral for these tests, so I tend to relate to those characters and really like them. I agree. I don't necessarily think a character leaning more lawful neutral exempts them from KISA-status. Hell, I also think a slightly more chaotic good character could also be a KISA. It just depends on the narrative and how they're framed. Besides, these sorts of sorting systems get confusing when we're looking at characters who follow different codes. For example, we wouldn't necessarily think of a Qunari soldier as a KISA, but they technically follow a moral code and can be heroic given the situation, since, despite the way the Qun works, Qunari are individuals with their own priorities. Rather, we tend to think of more traditional-seeming knights like the Templars and the Chevalier (despite the fact that those two factions have practices that aren't so heroic). Really, I think it depends on the character's actions and the narrative around their actions. |
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Post by Natashina on Mar 12, 2017 6:17:25 GMT
You guys have fun. It's the weekend, and my husband is off of work. I'm also going to try to get some sleep. G'night everyone. |
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Post by sageoflife on Mar 12, 2017 6:33:52 GMT
Hey, guys! I love KISA type, The protector, who always stand by the justice. Only one problem I have with KISA definition: LAWFUL. I prefer neutral good. The law not always right – may be wrong. Hmm interesting thought here. Are BioWare KISAs usually lawful good or neutral good? I would argue that Cullen is lawful neutral, at least for the first two games. He will turn his head if he sees something that is "bad" yet still lawful (making mages Tranquil). Aveline is more lawful good (she will not turn a blind eye to injustice ... unless her own prejudices get in the way, of course; she is human, after all); while Cassandra maybe is also lawful good? She breaks from the Chantry because it's crap, and she's literally on a crusade for good. Hmm. In ME, Kaidan is definitely lawful neutral; think about it, Shepard has to talk him down in ME3 over the whole Udina incident. Even with the facts in front of his face, Kaidan is intent on "doing his job" (following the law no matter what). More lawful neutral than lawful good? He's also very "I'm just doing my job" on Horizon in ME2.I am hoping lawful good for Jaal and maybe a bit chaotic good for Reyes, which would be hilarious for a detective, hehehe Lawful neutral for Cora; she'll need to have her eyes opened and forced to not tow the line. Yes I've thought about this way too much. It's possible I've already thought this through recently before coming to this thread. I always get lawful neutral for these tests, so I tend to relate to those characters and really like them. I strongly disagree with Kaidan not being Lawful Good. On Horizon, he was acting on information that the Illusive Man soon admits to leaking, and considering how clear TIM was about not wanting Shepard anywhere near the original squad (he lied through his teeth about Liara), I really doubt those leaks made Shepard look good. Besides, even if Kaidan had known the truth, Shepard had enough headaches without being able to talk high ranking officers into deserting their posts and committing treason. As for the standoff on the Citadel, Shepard really didn't present many facts to prove that Udina was behind the attack, though I think it is worth noting how easy it is to get Kaidan to back down as long as Udina can't make it look like Shepard killed the salarian councilor. And I personally think that even if Kaidan didn't have doubts, it still would have been understandable for him to want an explanation about why Shepard is holding one of the leaders of the galaxy at gunpoint. I would say that Kaidan's situation is more that he is Lawful Good, but Liara and the Illusive Man have put him in a position where he has very few avenues for figuring out what the Good side is. |
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 6:39:00 GMT
Hmm interesting thought here. Are BioWare KISAs usually lawful good or neutral good? I would argue that Cullen is lawful neutral, at least for the first two games. He will turn his head if he sees something that is "bad" yet still lawful (making mages Tranquil). Aveline is more lawful good (she will not turn a blind eye to injustice ... unless her own prejudices get in the way, of course; she is human, after all); while Cassandra maybe is also lawful good? She breaks from the Chantry because it's crap, and she's literally on a crusade for good. Hmm. In ME, Kaidan is definitely lawful neutral; think about it, Shepard has to talk him down in ME3 over the whole Udina incident. Even with the facts in front of his face, Kaidan is intent on "doing his job" (following the law no matter what). More lawful neutral than lawful good? He's also very "I'm just doing my job" on Horizon in ME2. I am hoping lawful good for Jaal and maybe a bit chaotic good for Reyes, which would be hilarious for a detective, hehehe Lawful neutral for Cora; she'll need to have her eyes opened and forced to not tow the line. Yes I've thought about this way too much. It's possible I've already thought this through recently before coming to this thread. I always get lawful neutral for these tests, so I tend to relate to those characters and really like them. I agree. I don't necessarily think a character leaning more lawful neutral exempts them from KISA-status. Hell, I also think a slightly more chaotic good character could also be a KISA. It just depends on the narrative and how they're framed. Besides, these sorts of sorting systems get confusing when we're looking at characters who follow different codes. For example, we wouldn't necessarily think of a Qunari soldier as a KISA, but they technically follow a moral code and can be heroic given the situation, since, despite the way the Qun works, Qunari are individuals with their own priorities. Rather, we tend to think of more traditional-seeming knights like the Templars and the Chevalier (despite the fact that those two factions have practices that aren't so heroic). Really, I think it depends on the character's actions and the narrative around their actions. HAHAHA You don't know me ... qunari lovah has been my dream for a loooong ti-- okay, just pretty much since DA2 (MARAAS). ( I know Maraas was Tal Vashoth, bear with me.) And no Bull doesn't count; he's like the total opposite of KISA :| Well not opposite, but he's no KISA. KISA makes tender love to you, or maybe it's a bit rough if that's how you want it because he cares about you. He also doesn't talk about bangin redheads when he knows this would wound your tender heart.  But oh yeah, qunari soldier has KISA written all over them. Soldier of any kind IMO. Whether that's part of an organization or a ronin type character. What do we think are the qualities of a KISA? I think... 1. Nobleness of spirit 2. Commit to a cause, whether that's justice, the law, helping the weak, etc. 3. Actual Warrior 4. Of a certain age (no baby KISA) 5. Somewhat serious attitude (no sassy attitude type guy/gal) |
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 12, 2017 6:44:01 GMT
I agree. I don't necessarily think a character leaning more lawful neutral exempts them from KISA-status. Hell, I also think a slightly more chaotic good character could also be a KISA. It just depends on the narrative and how they're framed. Besides, these sorts of sorting systems get confusing when we're looking at characters who follow different codes. For example, we wouldn't necessarily think of a Qunari soldier as a KISA, but they technically follow a moral code and can be heroic given the situation, since, despite the way the Qun works, Qunari are individuals with their own priorities. Rather, we tend to think of more traditional-seeming knights like the Templars and the Chevalier (despite the fact that those two factions have practices that aren't so heroic). Really, I think it depends on the character's actions and the narrative around their actions. HAHAHA You don't know me ... qunari lovah has been my dream for a loooong ti-- okay, just pretty much since DA2 (MARAAS). ( I know Maraas was Tal Vashoth, bear with me.) And no Bull doesn't count; he's like the total opposite of KISA :| Well not opposite, but he's no KISA. KISA makes tender love to you, or maybe it's a bit rough if that's how you want it because he cares about you. He also doesn't talk about bangin redheads when he knows this would wound your tender heart. But oh yeah, qunari soldier has KISA written all over them. Soldier of any kind IMO. Whether that's part of an organization or a ronin type character. What do we think are the qualities of a KISA? I think... 1. Nobleness of spirit 2. Commit to a cause, whether that's justice, the law, helping the weak, etc. 3. Actual Warrior 4. Of a certain age (no baby KISA) 5. Somewhat serious attitude (no sassy attitude type guy/gal) Honestly, I worry a lot that if we were to finally get a butch lesbian warrior love interest that she'd basically be all young and naive and virginal and the sort of character that no one takes seriously.  Either that or just nice, friendly warrior girl with no personality to her other than being nice and being romanceable. I just really want a female warrior love interest who's older and has a personality, especially if she's rather cold or aggressive at first despite upholding her own moral code. |
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Post by jjdxb on Mar 12, 2017 6:52:21 GMT
Ah the Gay KISA thread rises from the ashes.
Please BioWare. Stop denying us Alistair and Cullen-type guys plz. If you have to deny someone, deny the straight women, they've had their fill.
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Post by ryerye17 on Mar 12, 2017 7:09:38 GMT
I love Kaidan. Daddy Alenko.
I looooooove Kaidan as maleShep romance.
But yes, it is disappointing that gay romances are...urgh, Dorian. More than "knight in shining armor" I would like a straight-acting, masculine gay romance. Nothing against effeminate or flamboyant gay men, but they just don't do it for me. Masc musc for same.
I don't mind Zevran. In fact I like Zevran because he's sexy without being effeminate.
I had to do a freakin' female run just to romance Alistair, Sebastian, and Cullen in DA. I love those three but hate the fact that the straight-acting masculine guys are straight.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Mar 12, 2017 7:27:45 GMT
So since we are now in a new forum, I'll share what started me on my KISA obsession. I watched Excalibur as a young kid and had a GIGANTIC crush on Lancelot ( granted, Lancelot isn't a traditional KISA, but in this movie, he was pretty much in that trope). He was played by the super fine Nicholas Clay and he (plus John Schneider in Dukes of Hazard) became the archetype for my dream guy. This is what I want for a m/m LI. Bioware makes them, but they are always straight and I am not going to play a lady to romance them. I don't want to be his "lady". I want him to want his "lord". *snip* Aww, and I was about to go into a discussion about Arthurian lore but then you had to put that. I am always 100% down for that. (Gawain for life, Lancelot is a Johnny-come-latey poser.) Which... Is why I'm here, I guess. Also because KISA and knight errant sorts tend to be my absolute huggy favorite characters, and I'm in favor of more. And more people getting to canoodle with them. TELL ME ABOUT THE LAWFUL CODE YOU'RE DEVOTED TO AND HOW YOU'VE GIVEN UP EVERYTHING FOR IT. Yes, that's the good stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 7:40:33 GMT
I really enjoyed the Fenris romance, and was shocked people don't think of him fitting the bill as a knight type. However, I am for sure one of the people that was really upset I couldn't romance Alistair and Cullen as a male PC. I really hope DA4 has that kind of a character for M/M romance!
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