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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 9:39:38 GMT
I gotta draw this at some point... BUT UGH, I'm so busy throughout the entire month and the next. I can't take on any more pet projects... You need to do this though, my life depends on it :gasp: It's on my to-do list. And he's gonna be hot.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 9:43:10 GMT
You need to do this though, my life depends on it :gasp: It's on my to-do list. And he's gonna be hot. Hell to the fucking yeah! You also need to draw him being gay at one point so I can die in peace. You know, hugs, kisses, blowjobs... that sort of shit. I kid I kid, I'm just very interested in how he'll turn out! Quote me if you ever get it done!
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 12, 2017 10:25:53 GMT
Some of you may remember a thread by the same name back on the official BSN (which had a pretty good run of nearly 300 pages before BSN was destroyed). I was planning on remaking it here once DA4 was officially announced, since the original thread's purpose was to both express the desire for, and foster the discussion of LGBT companions in the next installment of Dragon Age who fit the Knight in Shining Armor archetype. But due to several requests from some lovely people here, and the green light from Natashina I decided to do it sooner. The thread is here in the ME:A spoilers section because conversation can revolve around both the ME and DA squadmate/companions. Note that despite being in the spoiler section, all ME:A STORY spoilers must be tagged until release since this is a character/romance related topic due to mod request. So please follow that rule. So here we are. Volume 2. Awesome thread, thanks for resurrecting it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 10:34:11 GMT
It's on my to-do list. And he's gonna be hot. Hell to the fucking yeah! You also need to draw him being gay at one point so I can die in peace. You know, hugs, kisses, blowjobs... that sort of shit. I kid I kid, I'm just very interested in how he'll turn out! Quote me if you ever get it done!Okay, I could only whip up something within the hour. My anatomy and proportions could still use some work, but it's a start. Now I gotta get back to my other work. WHUPS!
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 10:39:36 GMT
Hell to the fucking yeah! You also need to draw him being gay at one point so I can die in peace. You know, hugs, kisses, blowjobs... that sort of shit. I kid I kid, I'm just very interested in how he'll turn out! Quote me if you ever get it done!Okay, I could only whip up something within the hour. My anatomy and proportions could still use some work, but it's a start. Now I gotta get back to my other work. WHUPS! There he is. There he is. I want him. Give him to me. It looks stellar, for just a rough sketch! I love it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 10:44:19 GMT
Okay, I could only whip up something within the hour. My anatomy and proportions could still use some work, but it's a start. Now I gotta get back to my other work. WHUPS! There he is. There he is. I want him. Give him to me. It looks stellar, for just a rough sketch! I love it Give me more time, and I'll make it so much better. Okay, Bioware. Hire me. Looks like if I want something done right, I'm gonna have to do this myself.
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Post by caladrius on Mar 12, 2017 10:50:50 GMT
I remember this thread from the old BSN. I hope there is an option like this for people that have been pining for it, especially someone like Alistair/Cullen in the DA series. Hopefully more like Alistair than Cullen, for my own tastes. I'm actually one that really loves the rogue-ish personality type, so the slant has somewhat benefited me. I'm pretty sure eventually they'll give us the gay KISA type and I'll be pining for the surprise hetero rogue. But I totally sympathize with the fact that people have been waiting for it a long time and that it's good representation to break stereotypes. I actually didn't mind Alistair and would have romanced him, though. When I think about it more, I think my biggest problem with KISA types is that I don't actually agree they're unambiguously "good" people. It usually turns out that KISA types are on the wrong side of most of my in-game opinions. Alistair didn't agree with the Chantry very strongly, he didn't want to be a Templar, and he had a fun sense of humor, which made him more appealing to me. I had basically no base to relate to Cullen on and I don't find the "very serious person" demeanor very appealing. An outside Bioware example, which I think would qualify (correct me if you think I'm wrong here), that was available as an m/m romance was Danse in Fallout 4. I could never do a Danse romance. I can't stand a lot of his anti-Ghoul/anti-Synth attitudes and his "12 year old boy playing war" persona. It's those sorts of very black and white moral reasoning and adherence to the majority opinion without questioning that's often tied with the KISA types that I can't get around, and I think Cullen had a lot of that. But if Preston from Fallout 4 was a KISA, and he may very well also be, then I thought he was actually adorable. Basically, I could probably like a KISA if they weren't too tied to a moral majority that I didn't agree with as part of the package deal.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 11:02:51 GMT
There he is. There he is. I want him. Give him to me. It looks stellar, for just a rough sketch! I love it Give me more time, and I'll make it so much better. Okay, Bioware. Hire me. Looks like if I want something done right, I'm gonna have to do this myself.Yes, BW SHOULD hire you! I was going to say that myself lol. You know exactly what I want so um, yeah, no arguments here. Jason Momoa is my wet dream. He is perfect in every way!
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 11:08:42 GMT
I remember this thread from the old BSN. I hope there is an option like this for people that have been pining for it, especially someone like Alistair/Cullen in the DA series. Hopefully more like Alistair than Cullen, for my own tastes. I'm actually one that really loves the rogue-ish personality type, so the slant has somewhat benefited me. I'm pretty sure eventually they'll give us the gay KISA type and I'll be pining for the surprise hetero rogue. But I totally sympathize with the fact that people have been waiting for it a long time and that it's good representation to break stereotypes. I actually didn't mind Alistair and would have romanced him, though. When I think about it more, I think my biggest problem with KISA types is that I don't actually agree they're unambiguously "good" people. It usually turns out that KISA types are on the wrong side of most of my in-game opinions. Alistair didn't agree with the Chantry very strongly, he didn't want to be a Templar, and he had a fun sense of humor, which made him more appealing to me. I had basically no base to relate to Cullen on and I don't find the "very serious person" demeanor very appealing. An outside Bioware example, which I think would qualify (correct me if you think I'm wrong here), that was available as an m/m romance was Danse in Fallout 4. I could never do a Danse romance. I can't stand a lot of his anti-Ghoul/anti-Synth attitudes and his "12 year old boy playing war" persona. It's those sorts of very black and white moral reasoning and adherence to the majority opinion without questioning that's often tied with the KISA types that I can't get around, and I think Cullen had a lot of that. But if Preston from Fallout 4 was a KISA, and he may very well also be, then I thought he was actually adorable. Basically, I could probably like a KISA if they weren't too tied to a moral majority that I didn't agree with as part of the package deal. A good point that I agree with. But usually when there's talk of KISA, it to me usually means just a very passionate, masculine guy who values romance and treats their partner with the utmost care and respect. But maybe that's just me completely misunderstanding the concept of KISA lol. I think a '' rogueish '' character can be a KISA, if there's an aura of masculinity about him and his romance is very romantic, touching, endearing and respectful. Tho I think even if I want a KISA, I do like rogueish dudes myself a bit more.
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Post by kitcat1228 on Mar 12, 2017 11:36:25 GMT
KISA to me means they're idealistic, not necessarily tied to a moral majority view. I actually prefer a knight in sour armor, which is someone whose cynical and had their ideals tarnished, yet still can't help but live by their ideals anyway. Geralt from the witcher series and Harry Dresden from the Dresden series, fit this I think.
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 12:13:50 GMT
KISA to me means they're idealistic, not necessarily tied to a moral majority view. I actually prefer a knight in sour armor, which is someone whose cynical and had their ideals tarnished, yet still can't help but live by their ideals anyway. Geralt from the witcher series and Harry Dresden from the Dresden series, fit this I think. Oh hell yeah. Someone like Geralt would be amazing for us guys! Like, I don't find Geralt appealing as a playable main character, but as a gay romance choice? Oh hell yes, he is basically perfect. Just add just a hunch of appreciation for romance into the mix and that's it, that's my man right there.
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 12, 2017 12:27:08 GMT
Better than 'Boaty McBoatface' I guess
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Post by Kian on Mar 12, 2017 12:48:42 GMT
I posted a few times in the old thread too. Mostly just read comments though. Then took a break and BSN got deleted during that time For MEA I'm not really sure who would fit this. From what I've seen so far, Liam doesn't really seem to fit the mold to me. But we've only seen a little bit so who knows. I'm curious to see how Vetra fits or not this. I hope she's like Nyreen. Great char with lots of potential there. As for a DA4 game, well. Having a gay kisa would be great for several reasons. One very simple yet significant one being to not repeat what was done in 7 other games lol. I mean I get it. They love their "sex crazed bi rogues", "noble str8 kisa's" and "sarcastic sassy mages". But surely they're capable of coming up with new character archetypes once every 8 games or so I would love to see a "sex crazed str8 rogue". If only to see some people arguing how it doesn't make sense And of course, an Alistair-type of character who is gay? Awesome. I know some people would dislike the "virgin" storyline, probably for a multitude of reasons, but I would enjoy it. If for no other reason than diversity. We've never had a heroic virginal gay character (I went through the list in my head just now, but if I'm missing a character please do let me know - DA or ME; too much into the past and we enter the "coded gay" characters era, and that's just meh, let's move on lol). Anywho, thanks Sandal for reviving the thread Some really cool conversations going on in the old one, so looking forward to seeing that again
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 12, 2017 13:04:37 GMT
I love the KISA trope tbh. There's a reason I thought Cassandra's romance was the best.
I just wish I didn't have to be straight or a woman to have one.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 12, 2017 14:11:57 GMT
Looking forward to some interesting discussion here! Personal story: I'm a (mostly gay) bisexual guy who grew up in a homophobic religious environment, which messed me up pretty badly psychologically. Kaidan being a tough, thoughtful, and unambiguously good bisexual KISA was a big deal to me when I was playing ME3, because it sent a much needed message saying "No, you aren't broken/depraved/perverted/less valuable because of your sexuality," when it felt like just about everyone around me was saying otherwise. I understand that so well, including the homophobic religious environment. For me that super important romance that told me people like me can have love in their lives (while everyone around me was saying otherwise) was Anders and Garrett. I really can't stress enough how much that meant to me. (posts like yours are also reason #943 why I'm glad this thread is back)
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 12, 2017 15:05:28 GMT
As for the KISA: for me it's a stoic, calm character, staunchly devoted to doing the right thing. Seems cool and even abrasive at first, but when you get to know him, he turns out to be a kind and considerate person, who wants to help as much as he can. Underneath what others perceive to be a feeling of superiority there's a lot of self-doubt. The previous thread fixated on Danse from Fallout 4 for some time and for good reason, he's really the closest we have gotten to a bi/gay KISA LI. Calm, distant, and judgmental at first, he turns out to be fraught with doubt, but also full of kindness. Derek Hale (my avatar) is another KISA, but with a spin to him (Knight in Sour Armour). He's stoic and kind of a dick, but he's a good person, who wants to protect others, all while fighting with his own doubts and guilt. There's also Hawke, who'd be an unusual KISA, but no matter, he's awesome, and I want an LI like him in the future. A strong moral compass and helping others is what I find the minimum for a KISA, so he qualifies. They also made him quite husky and bearish in DAI, and I 100% approve. As mentioned here, it's a feature, not a bug.But I'll wait for the thread to grow a little before talking appearance. In MEA I expect Liam to fill that role, which is pretty sad, if true. Plz Reyes, don't disappoint. I had like 1500 posts on the old BSN, and most of them in this thread, so expect to see me ramble more
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Post by zeowik on Mar 12, 2017 15:11:08 GMT
Wow. I did not need to know that. Geez, blech! ...ugh. one reason i'm always reluctant to play as a guy romancing a girl in these games is because the writing squicks me out so hard. did they have to infantilise her... I have not seen the scene but how is a character having weakness or emotion "infantilizing" her? The character is quite capable. Contrast a nutty guy making people laugh in his own hyper-indoctrinated country by suggesting driving can damage ovaries. I think it is okay for characters to not be rock solid. It reminds me of Samus in Metroid: Other M being bashed for daring to show emotion in a couple scenes when in 90% of the game she is cool-headed and professional and most of her dialog is inner monolog/narration and people interviewed that are experts on the subject said her single moment of a couple seconds of crippling dread was a fairly accurate depiction of PTSD and contrary to the core of most criticism people do not 'get over' it or have consistent episodes every time a potential trigger happens. The Guardians of the Galaxy movie is a good example too. Rocket is a very strong character but his near breakdown mid movie and his full on breakdown near the end make his character more real and do not infantilize him. To think they almost cut him from the movie but the director insisted to keep him and treat him as any human character. KISA to me means they're idealistic, not necessarily tied to a moral majority view. I actually prefer a knight in sour armor, which is someone whose cynical and had their ideals tarnished, yet still can't help but live by their ideals anyway. Geralt from the witcher series and Harry Dresden from the Dresden series, fit this I think. While I am no expert on the trope it doesn't mean they have to rescue my character either; it just means they are the type that would rescue people due to that idealism.
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Post by lauratsoni on Mar 12, 2017 15:32:13 GMT
...ugh. one reason i'm always reluctant to play as a guy romancing a girl in these games is because the writing squicks me out so hard. did they have to infantilise her... I have not seen the scene but how is a character having weakness or emotion "infantilizing" her? The character is quite capable. Contrast a nutty guy making people laugh in his own hyper-indoctrinated country by suggesting driving can damage ovaries. I think it is okay for characters to not be rock solid. It reminds me of Samus in Metroid: Other M being bashed for daring to show emotion in a couple scenes when in 90% of the game she is cool-headed and professional and most of her dialog is inner monolog/narration and people interviewed that are experts on the subject said her single moment of a couple seconds of crippling dread was a fairly accurate depiction of PTSD and contrary to the core of most criticism people do not 'get over' it or have consistent episodes every time a potential trigger happens. The Guardians of the Galaxy movie is a good example too. Rocket is a very strong character but his near breakdown mid movie and his full on breakdown near the end make his character more real and do not infantilize him. To think they almost cut him from the movie but the director insisted to keep him and treat him as any human character. KISA to me means they're idealistic, not necessarily tied to a moral majority view. I actually prefer a knight in sour armor, which is someone whose cynical and had their ideals tarnished, yet still can't help but live by their ideals anyway. Geralt from the witcher series and Harry Dresden from the Dresden series, fit this I think. While I am no expert on the trope it doesn't mean they have to rescue my character either; it just means they are the type that would rescue people due to that idealism. i don't disagree; stoic characters can be shown having heartfelt emotions and it can be real and genuine and well done. in jack's case, however, the whole 'i will try to fix you' thing leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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Post by Rouccoco on Mar 12, 2017 15:58:05 GMT
An outside Bioware example, which I think would qualify (correct me if you think I'm wrong here), that was available as an m/m romance was Danse in Fallout 4. I could never do a Danse romance. I can't stand a lot of his anti-Ghoul/anti-Synth attitudes and his "12 year old boy playing war" persona. It's those sorts of very black and white moral reasoning and adherence to the majority opinion without questioning that's often tied with the KISA types that I can't get around, and I think Cullen had a lot of that. I'm guessing you never did his personal quest? He would have grown a lot, if Bethesda didn't just drop his storyline after that. But his anti-ghoul comments seem to be just for show even before that. He gets angry at you, if you're rude to ghouls like Arlen, Kent, or the fridge kid. He's trying to be true to everything the order stands for, but he's secretly a nice marshmallow.
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Post by vertigomez on Mar 12, 2017 16:07:41 GMT
It's baaaaack, I'm so glad! Hello friends, my name is Gomez. I ventured into the original gay KISA thread on occasion. Most of my favorite LIs have not been KISAs at all, but I'm in favor of the archetype for diversity's sake and for those who're really attached to it! (Though my first video game love was Aribeth de Tylmarande, and she... sorta counts. If you disregard that Blackguard business.) One thing that came up on the old board... a There Can Only Be One™ attitude with regard to having a gay or lesbian KISA, as if men or women getting their wish would bar the other group from getting theirs. But considering we had Aveline and Sebastian in one game, and Cassandra, Cullen, and Blackwall (pre-Revelations) in another, I see no reason why we can't have two gay/bi KISAs in a hypothetical future game. Then everyone can be swept off their feet by the Ser Hottie of their dreams!
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 16:11:24 GMT
It's baaaaack, I'm so glad! Hello friends, my name is Gomez. I ventured into the original gay KISA thread on occasion. Most of my favorite LIs have not been KISAs at all, but I'm in favor of the archetype for diversity's sake and for those who're really attached to it! (Though my first video game love was Aribeth de Tylmarande, and she... sorta counts. If you disregard that Blackguard business.) One thing that came up on the old board... a There Can Only Be One™ attitude with regard to having a gay or lesbian KISA, as if men or women getting their wish would bar the other group from getting theirs. But considering we had Aveline and Sebastian in one game, and Cassandra, Cullen, and Blackwall (pre-Revelations) in another, I see no reason why we can't have two gay/bi KISAs in a hypothetical future game. Then everyone can be swept off their feet by the Ser Hottie of their dreams! Sounds resonable, I'm pretty sure that DA4 will have a qunari woman (possibly a tal-vashoth) as a companion, and I think it would be a good opportunity to throw some butch and some KISA into a tall horned buff lady.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Mar 12, 2017 16:12:38 GMT
It's baaaaack, I'm so glad! Hello friends, my name is Gomez. I ventured into the original gay KISA thread on occasion. Most of my favorite LIs have not been KISAs at all, but I'm in favor of the archetype for diversity's sake and for those who're really attached to it! (Though my first video game love was Aribeth de Tylmarande, and she... sorta counts. If you disregard that Blackguard business.) One thing that came up on the old board... a There Can Only Be One™ attitude with regard to having a gay or lesbian KISA, as if men or women getting their wish would bar the other group from getting theirs. But considering we had Aveline and Sebastian in one game, and Cassandra, Cullen, and Blackwall (pre-Revelations) in another, I see no reason why we can't have two gay/bi KISAs in a hypothetical future game. Then everyone can be swept off their feet by the Ser Hottie of their dreams! Sounds resonable, I'm pretty sure that DA4 will have a qunari woman (possibly a tal-vashoth) as a companion, and I think it would be a good opportunity to throw some butch and some KISA into a tall horned buff lady. It'd be amazing if she had the personality of Sten, without the sexism bit and the Qun-following being optional.
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 17:10:31 GMT
This was on the old KISA thread, as I remember correctly, Rouccoco 's farewell post, when the forum closed. I think, no problem, if I put it here:
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Post by General Mahad on Mar 12, 2017 17:17:38 GMT
IMO the potential KISA candidates for MEA are Cora and Jaal. In previous games I'd say it was Garrus and... no female equivalent because ME seems afraid of older bad ass women. I would disagree. Garrus has honorable traits akin to a KISA but he is ultimately a pragmatist who would do what is necessary no matter how vile.
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