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Post by auronvigo on Apr 27, 2017 16:13:01 GMT
I liked Danse, but I was really into Maxson. I'll admit that during my initial run of FO4 I headcannoned that Maxson and Danse had once been lovers. Viewing the scene at the bunker as a lover's quarrel makes it much more intense. Also helps that Danse was only wearing his underwear at the time.
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Post by Ryzaki on Apr 27, 2017 16:24:33 GMT
Danse to me is more Soldier type of character than KISA. Preston in other hand was epitome of KISA for me in Fallout. In terms of DA, I think Sebastian has some knight-like qualities and shining armor, but he's not quite there. Cullen and Blackwall aren't quite there either for me even if they also have some qualities fitting for KISA. I just feel like Blackwall's redemption is still underway and Cullen hasn't let enough of his soldier tendencies. To me closes is Cassandra and if books are allowed Evangeline. Man I try to forget Preston and his barraging of my quest log. (I remember on release just walking past him lead to quest spam. Good grief).
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Post by pessimistpanda on Apr 27, 2017 16:26:43 GMT
I liked Danse, but I was really into Maxson. I'll admit that during my initial run of FO4 I headcannoned that Maxson and Danse had once been lovers. Viewing the scene at the bunker as a lover's quarrel makes it much more intense. Also helps that Danse was only wearing his underwear at the time. I was really into Maxson's incredibly sexy coat.
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Post by Rouccoco on Apr 27, 2017 17:30:02 GMT
I liked Danse, but I was really into Maxson. I'll admit that during my initial run of FO4 I headcannoned that Maxson and Danse had once been lovers. Viewing the scene at the bunker as a lover's quarrel makes it much more intense. Also helps that Danse was only wearing his underwear at the time. The fact that Maxson could be persuaded at all is kinda telling. I don't think there's anything in the game that firmly pushes it into either "very close friends" or "(ex) lovers." It would certainly make Danse's boner for Maxson's authority a little more literal
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Post by auronvigo on Apr 27, 2017 19:16:32 GMT
I liked Danse, but I was really into Maxson. I'll admit that during my initial run of FO4 I headcannoned that Maxson and Danse had once been lovers. Viewing the scene at the bunker as a lover's quarrel makes it much more intense. Also helps that Danse was only wearing his underwear at the time. The fact that Maxson could be persuaded at all is kinda telling. I don't think there's anything in the game that firmly pushes it into either "very close friends" or "(ex) lovers." It would certainly make Danse's boner for Maxson's authority a little more literal Who needs story support when you've got mental imagery ? The mind wants what it wants. Preston certainly has good guy qualities, but feels more like a boy scout to me. He lacks the command that Maxson and Danse have. Preston is a people person, since every time we're in a settlement he shakes hands and takes credit for everything I do.
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Post by Walter Black on May 22, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
One thing Bioware characters are known for is how they can change; hardened or softened Alistair and Leliana, Spirit or human Cole, Qunari or Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull. With this in mind I'm curious: should the hypothetical Gay Knight in Shining Armor be subject to change, or should they remain statically Lawful Good no matter what? Would a Companion who starts grey and pragmatic, but has the potential to become more idealistic be acceptable? Likewise, would a Paragon whose weary life and particularly brutal Personal Quest that could harden them be too much?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2017 14:18:25 GMT
One thing Bioware characters are known for is how they can change; hardened or softened Alistair and Leliana, Spirit or human Cole, Qunari or Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull. With this in mind I'm curious: should the hypothetical Gay Knight in Shining Armor be subject to change, or should they remain statically Lawful Good no matter what? Would a Companion who starts grey and pragmatic, but has the potential to become more idealistic be acceptable? Likewise, would a Paragon whose weary life and particularly brutal Personal Quest that could harden them be too much? Well-written characters are the ones that show character development throughout their story, so no, as much as I like the idea of a gay Knight in Shining Armour, if they don't change or show some growth throughout the game, that's bad writing. I could see a companion who has YET to step into the role of a Knight In Shining Armour archetype and develops into one in their character arc. OR, one who's already an established as one, but their story is one of questioning morality and if they've been following a certain moral code too blindly to notice its flaws. Ultimately, I do want to see a good guy, still. They just still need to earn it.
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Post by ashkevronangel on May 22, 2017 22:45:59 GMT
One thing Bioware characters are known for is how they can change; hardened or softened Alistair and Leliana, Spirit or human Cole, Qunari or Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull. With this in mind I'm curious: should the hypothetical Gay Knight in Shining Armor be subject to change, or should they remain statically Lawful Good no matter what? Would a Companion who starts grey and pragmatic, but has the potential to become more idealistic be acceptable? Likewise, would a Paragon whose weary life and particularly brutal Personal Quest that could harden them be too much? Finally getting a gay KISA only for them to inevitably become cynical by the end would be a huge Do Not Want for me, but there are a lot of other ways they could develop. Like growing into a more mature and nuanced idealism, being more aware of how others and their circumstances may not fit neatly into their code and how to deal with that, letting go of some prejudice(especially if it's internalized!), moving past some fears, doubt, or pain that have weighed them down(but done while preserving the KISA's agency in that matter rather than having the player "fix" him on their own), getting past an unhealthy need for approval and thus becoming less susceptible to following bad orders, trusting his own moral compass over a strictly dogmatic approach, etc. Hell, even a "coming out of the closet" story would be fine if done well, though I'd hope he would have more going on than just that.
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Post by Walter Black on May 23, 2017 1:04:56 GMT
One thing Bioware characters are known for is how they can change; hardened or softened Alistair and Leliana, Spirit or human Cole, Qunari or Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull. With this in mind I'm curious: should the hypothetical Gay Knight in Shining Armor be subject to change, or should they remain statically Lawful Good no matter what? Would a Companion who starts grey and pragmatic, but has the potential to become more idealistic be acceptable? Likewise, would a Paragon whose weary life and particularly brutal Personal Quest that could harden them be too much? Finally getting a gay KISA only for them to inevitably become cynical by the end would be a huge Do Not Want for me, but there are a lot of other ways they could develop. No character path, for good or ill, should be inevitable in an RPG. This more about the possible greying of the gay KISA which, given how dark Dragon Age is, is perfectly believable.
The problem with this scenario is that allows for zero negative side affects; "see how my cool hero becomes that much cooler". This isn't about "soiling" a gay KISA, any more than hardening Alistair soiled a straight one. It's about someone having realistic responses to emotional experiences, and believable flaws in a three dimensional personality. As I dislike black and white choices in a grey setting, this path could show the benefits of pragmatism and rational self interest. Especially in Tevinter, where being too optimistic can get you killed.
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