The Gay Knight in Shining Armor

They don't have to be naive to have a viewpoint that people would deem naive. Think, oh, a conservative peasant origin- the sort that leads to accusations of 'going against their own class interests' or disagreeing with standard dogmas of how underclasses should seek change.


Say that our LKISA is a city-elf 'good' Templar- the sort that never abused mages, and never stood by it, but missed out on the Mage Rebellion by staying in that one Circle that didn't rebel. Loyal to the Chantry, and doesn't go with elfy revolution despite general Thedasian racism.

Even aside from that questionable decision of alignment, we could have a more specific flaw in which the LKISA puts a huge emphasis on 'personal choice' and not enough on 'luck' or 'circumstance.' Because she was able to rise up from an alienage and overcome racist obstructors to become a respectable Templar, she could see a lot of people's difficulties as being more about them than The System. The sort of 'poor who hates the lazy poor,' or 'you're just using racism as an excuse for own laziness.' 'You could succeed if you work as hard as I do,' sort of thing.

That mindset can be absolutely right in some places, but wrong in others, and be a flaw without necessarily being a critical one. But an 'oppressed' subclass that doesn't buy into oppression naratives would definitely challenge some people in all the right ways. Similarly, a 'virtuous' knight who also isn't a revolutionary reformer would get people to deem them flawed and hypocritical- because if they were virtuous, they'd oppose the system that knights are apart of. Knights are ultimately authority symbols and enforcers, and so a 'good knight' who's a part of a mixed system is in contradiction with the idea that 'good' must oppose the 'bad' elements of the system to the point of disassociating themselves with the regime entirely. Ergo, the 'no good Templars' argument, where the only good Templar is one who abandoned the Order/sided with the mages/opposes the Circles.

I think of that as features, not bugs, but that's a pretty basic way- have a moral knight who doesn't do bad things, but also doesn't revolt against the sometimes unjust system they're a part of.

Ah, good times.  Thanks!

Oh, and my dwarf Inquisitor!  I may have to bring that avi back too. 

If you miss rampant homophobia and racism, buy a can of BSN Classic today! D:

Nah, there were some good people, but it was mostly trash.

Well it might still be worth trawling through, for a glimpse of sandalisthemaker's deep, abiding love of Miley Cyrus and all .gifs thereof.

I just want an Avvar, tbh.

I really wouldn't say Sebastian is a KISA. There's way too little chivalry, and too much revenge. KISAs can have variations, but usually it's someone, who is devoted to helping others. You can add flaws, but that should be there.


Hm that sounds oddly familiar...



I wonder why

That's Danse from Fallout 4. 

I think Sebastian is someone who desperately wants to be a KISA, but who really fuckin' sucks at it.

While he's blind to the corruption in his organisation (much like Cassandra), he's not as corrupt personally as they are. He thinks he's part of something good, the only way that will improve the mess around them. With FEVs, synths, and vaults (to name a few), it's easy to convince people that technology like that shouldn't be available to anyone. He idolises authority, so he's oblivious to the fact that the BoS can abuse that technology too. And even though he says how anti ghoul he is, there are a lot of interactions (like Arlen, Kent, and fridge kid), where he gets pissed at you, if you treat them badly.

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So he's a complex character, whose primary drive is to help, but who still has doubts and faults. I see that as a KISA with elements added, so that he's not a cardboard cutout.

Yes, this "lawful good" is a weird concept. It only works if the law is good. The law can serve the evil. 
According to me, a true KISA is neutral good. The protector of the justice, not the law.
S/He protects the truth, even against the law.
Garrus in ME.

According the original (lawful) concept:

Sebastian has a nice, shining armor, but he's not a KISA, just want to be a KISA. Even he knows, that he isn't capable of it. His personal quest is very good to prove that.
Blackwall better KISA than Sebastian. Of course, not completely fit the concept, but he has a chance to it. And Cullen too, but only from the end of DA2. His first step was, when turned against Meredith, let Hawke and his group go away, and left this corrupt Order. Cassandra is good example too. Aveline also have flaws, but she fit the KISA type well. I don't think, that the KISA must be perfect, but still can be good.

Yeah, Danse is my favorite of the male companions in Fallout 4 easily.
I only don't use him as much because later in certain plot lines it gets tricky (and because Curie is a companion  ).