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Post by jk987 on Mar 12, 2017 7:43:51 GMT
Just, such a shame about Cora, she is a gorg KISA, could have been the one guise, finally, our elusive female human squadmate LI *frustrated sobbing* Le sigh, her romance, that lil leak sounds wonderful too. Just picture that touch of resentment she has towards Ryder, you outrank her, she's the more experienced soldier. The sexual tension builds, those asari trained well honed biotics flaring, she pins fRyder to the nearest bulkhead and justs #@!*% D-damn you, Crimson. I was just starting to be fine with Cora being straight. And if she spent however many years training with the asari and managed to stay celibate, she must be the straightest woman alive XD. Whatever, FINE. What would actually destroy me, though, is that she ends up being like Jack. Says sth like 'hee, I banged a few asari in my team, but that phase is behind me. Only hunting for D from now till the end of time'   |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 8:01:48 GMT
Yes. Fenris is protective, strong and noble. But at the moment he's not a KISA. At the moment Fenris is a runaway slave, he behaves as a fugitive. This isn't surprising.
He has potential. As a teen, when he fight and sacrificed himself for his family he was a real knight. At least I think, yes, this can fit this concept, depend on that the shining armor, the shield-sword must be real or just metaphoric.
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Post by lauratsoni on Mar 12, 2017 8:07:40 GMT
Just, such a shame about Cora, she is a gorg KISA, could have been the one guise, finally, our elusive female human squadmate LI *frustrated sobbing* Le sigh, her romance, that lil leak sounds wonderful too. Just picture that touch of resentment she has towards Ryder, you outrank her, she's the more experienced soldier. The sexual tension builds, those asari trained well honed biotics flaring, she pins fRyder to the nearest bulkhead and justs #@!*%D-damn you, Crimson. I was just starting to be fine with Cora being straight. And if she spent however many years training with the asari and managed to stay celibate, she must be the straightest woman alive XD. Whatever, FINE. What would actually destroy me, though, is that she ends up being like Jack. Says sth like 'hee, I banged a few asari in my team, but that phase is behind me. Only hunting for D from now till the end of time' oh god you reminded me. whyyyyy wasn't jack a bi romance. :sob: |
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 8:09:47 GMT
Yes. Fenris is protective, strong and noble. But at the moment he's not a KISA. At the moment Fenris is a runaway slave, he behaves as a fugitive. This isn't surprising. He has potential. As a teen, when he fight and sacrificed himself for his family he was a real knight. At least I think, yes, this can fit this concept, depend on that the shining armor, the shield must be real or just metaphoric. Personally I think Fenris is far too damaged to be a KISA. KISA rescues YOU -- you do not rescue KISA  And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you. |
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Post by metta on Mar 12, 2017 8:10:20 GMT
The Jack situation was wrong on so many levels  Never again please. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 8:10:57 GMT
Yes. Fenris is protective, strong and noble. But at the moment he's not a KISA. At the moment Fenris is a runaway slave, he behaves as a fugitive. This isn't surprising. He has potential. As a teen, when he fight and sacrificed himself for his family he was a real knight. At least I think, yes, this can fit this concept, depend on that the shining armor, the shield must be real or just metaphoric. Personally I think Fenris is far too damaged to be a KISA. KISA rescues YOU -- you do not rescue KISA And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you. Exactly so. |
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 8:11:49 GMT
The Jack situation was wrong on so many levels Never again please. It was super lame. It just made me think of straight bros daydreaming about college girls who "experiment" in their youth and get all horny at the thought. Then they decided to write a character who encompasses that ridiculous trope and named her Jack. |
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Post by metta on Mar 12, 2017 8:17:17 GMT
The Jack situation was wrong on so many levels Never again please. It was super lame. It just made me think of straight bros daydreaming about college girls who "experiment" in their youth and get all horny at the thought. Then they decided to write a character who encompasses that ridiculous trope and named her Jack. I could write an essay on how only M-Sheps magic penis can learn more about her and help through her troubles. The crying during the sex scene added another layer of uncomfortable. |
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 8:17:24 GMT
HAHAHA You don't know me ... qunari lovah has been my dream for a loooong ti-- okay, just pretty much since DA2 (MARAAS). ( I know Maraas was Tal Vashoth, bear with me.) And no Bull doesn't count; he's like the total opposite of KISA :| Well not opposite, but he's no KISA. KISA makes tender love to you, or maybe it's a bit rough if that's how you want it because he cares about you. He also doesn't talk about bangin redheads when he knows this would wound your tender heart.  But oh yeah, qunari soldier has KISA written all over them. Soldier of any kind IMO. Whether that's part of an organization or a ronin type character. What do we think are the qualities of a KISA? I think... 1. Nobleness of spirit 2. Commit to a cause, whether that's justice, the law, helping the weak, etc. 3. Actual Warrior 4. Of a certain age (no baby KISA) 5. Somewhat serious attitude (no sassy attitude type guy/gal) Honestly, I worry a lot that if we were to finally get a butch lesbian warrior love interest that she'd basically be all young and naive and virginal and the sort of character that no one takes seriously.  Either that or just nice, friendly warrior girl with no personality to her other than being nice and being romanceable. I just really want a female warrior love interest who's older and has a personality, especially if she's rather cold or aggressive at first despite upholding her own moral code. I think they tried to do that with Sera. Because she was irreverent, foul-mouthed, wore old clothes, cut her hair weird, and didn't wear make-up, she was "butch." Um, nah. Sera is cute as a bug's ear with her adorable hair cut and leggings and tunic/skirt thing. And yeah she's a youngin for sure. I think, after hearing about the "we didn't want to make the evil bisexual trope with Solas" excuse (which I only half believe, but okay) it seems the devs are overworried about writing stereotypes and then getting lambasted for it. I think if a straight man had written Dorian, for example, well... actually I don't think a straight man would write Dorian LOL Not today, anyway; he'd be too afraid of being accused of writing a stereotype. But it was okay coming from a gay man. (EDIT: And it was; I'm not anti-Dorian, poor guy.) A-ha! I figured it out. BioWare need to hire a lesbian to write... wait for it... lesbian characters. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:18:54 GMT
Jason Momoa's the current inspiration for a knight I've in mind.
And thank god, this thread is back. I missed it like how an idiot misses the point.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 8:19:41 GMT
It was super lame. It just made me think of straight bros daydreaming about college girls who "experiment" in their youth and get all horny at the thought. Then they decided to write a character who encompasses that ridiculous trope and named her Jack. I could write an essay on how only M-Sheps magic penis can learn more about her and help through her troubles. The crying during the sex scene added another layer of uncomfortable. Wow. I did not need to know that.  Geez, blech! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:28:08 GMT
Yes. Fenris is protective, strong and noble. But at the moment he's not a KISA. At the moment Fenris is a runaway slave, he behaves as a fugitive. This isn't surprising. He has potential. As a teen, when he fight and sacrificed himself for his family he was a real knight. At least I think, yes, this can fit this concept, depend on that the shining armor, the shield must be real or just metaphoric. Personally I think Fenris is far too damaged to be a KISA. KISA rescues YOU -- you do not rescue KISA And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you. I can't agree, as you spend a good bit of time talking to Cullen about his tramatic past and helping him finally open up about it and move on. It's the same basic thing you did for Fenris. I'm not saying you have to count Fenris as a kisa, but saying Fenris is more damaged then him? That's very debatable. BioWare loves broken characters that we help put back together.
Either way that's just my opinion on the matter.
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Post by Artemis on Mar 12, 2017 8:33:37 GMT
Personally I think Fenris is far too damaged to be a KISA. KISA rescues YOU -- you do not rescue KISA And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you. I can't agree, as you spend a good bit of time talking to Cullen about his tramatic past and helping him finally open up about it and move on. It's the same basic thing you did for Fenris. I'm not saying you have to count Fenris as a kisa, but saying Fenris is more damaged then him? That's very debatable. BioWare loves broken characters that we help put back together.
Either way that's just my opinion on the matter.
I don't know, honestly. I think Cullen's already moved on. He made the decision to leave the Order, and he accepts your decision to work with mages if that's what you choose to do. Cullen's also totally fine if you don't romance him and don't help him, other than to choose "get off the lyrium." He does it and he's fine. Not so with Fenris. Don't think I'm ragging on Fenris; that boy is kinda sorta my favorite BioWare character ever |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 8:37:24 GMT
Personally I think Fenris is far too damaged to be a KISA. KISA rescues YOU -- you do not rescue KISA And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you. I can't agree, as you spend a good bit of time talking to Cullen about his tramatic past and helping him finally open up about it and move on. It's the same basic thing you did for Fenris. I'm not saying you have to count Fenris as a kisa, but saying Fenris is more damaged then him? That's very debatable. BioWare loves broken characters that we help put back together.
Either way that's just my opinion on the matter.
Fenris probably more damaged as Cullen, yes, because he was a slave, and lost his memory, and has PTSD. Cullen has PTSD, and lyrium addiction. And don't forget, his behavior became natural to him during the years. He's a trained knight. Fenris a pretty good fighter, but also a slave/fugitive. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:38:28 GMT
I can't agree, as you spend a good bit of time talking to Cullen about his tramatic past and helping him finally open up about it and move on. It's the same basic thing you did for Fenris. I'm not saying you have to count Fenris as a kisa, but saying Fenris is more damaged then him? That's very debatable. BioWare loves broken characters that we help put back together.
Either way that's just my opinion on the matter.
I don't know, honestly. I think Cullen's already moved on. He made the decision to leave the Order, and he accepts your decision to work with mages if that's what you choose to do. Cullen's also totally fine if you don't romance him and don't help him, other than to choose "get off the lyrium." He does it and he's fine. Not so with Fenris. Don't think I'm ragging on Fenris; that boy is kinda sorta my favorite BioWare character ever Nah, I never thought you were hating on Fenris. You are one of the posters I know it's safe to actually converse about such things without fear of aggressive responses. (I'm a chicken) Anywho, I feel like I help him through his issues even when I don't romance him, so I don't really see it as a big difference on that level. Knowing how he ends in trespasser if we don't help him...well yeah, he needs us to fix him.  I love Cullen, so I got time for dat! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 8:41:54 GMT
I can't agree, as you spend a good bit of time talking to Cullen about his tramatic past and helping him finally open up about it and move on. It's the same basic thing you did for Fenris. I'm not saying you have to count Fenris as a kisa, but saying Fenris is more damaged then him? That's very debatable. BioWare loves broken characters that we help put back together.
Either way that's just my opinion on the matter.
Fenris probably more damaged as Cullen, yes, because he was a slave, and lost his memory, and has PTSD. Cullen has PTSD, and lyrium addiction. And don't forget, his behavior became natural to him during the years. He's a trained knight. Fenris a pretty good fighter, but also a slave/fugitive. The reason why I'm very hesitant to say who's more damaged is my own personal experience losing loved ones to drug addiction. Honestly that's one of the most damaged states one can be in. Eh...I don't like to say who's got it worse in general. It's safe to say you need more then damaged past to disqualify you from KISA if Cullen's issues don't disqualify him. Good enough? |
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Post by lauratsoni on Mar 12, 2017 8:42:45 GMT
I could write an essay on how only M-Sheps magic penis can learn more about her and help through her troubles. The crying during the sex scene added another layer of uncomfortable. Wow. I did not need to know that. Geez, blech! ...ugh. one reason i'm always reluctant to play as a guy romancing a girl in these games is because the writing squicks me out so hard. did they have to infantilise her... |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 9:00:10 GMT
Fenris probably more damaged as Cullen, yes, because he was a slave, and lost his memory, and has PTSD. Cullen has PTSD, and lyrium addiction. And don't forget, his behavior became natural to him during the years. He's a trained knight. Fenris a pretty good fighter, but also a slave/fugitive. The reason why I'm very hesitant to say who's more damaged is my own personal experience losing loved ones to drug addiction. Honestly that's one of the most damaged states one can be in. Eh...I don't like to say who's got it worse in general. It's safe to say you need more then damaged past to disqualify you from KISA if Cullen's issues don't disqualify him. Good enough? Cullen seems he can handle this. (I didn't do the romance.) Samson was, who collapsed, but Meredith played a role in this lyrium addiction. But still: Cullen much more strong, probably he was originally stronger, than Samson. Lyrium leads to addiction and seems a very slow deterioration. Compared with Fenris? I still think, Fenris is, who more damaged. At least as I experienced. Cullen was a honored soldier, a knight, Fenris was a slave. This is a great difference. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 9:05:18 GMT
Jason Momoa's the current inspiration for a knight I've in mind. And thank god, this thread is back. I missed it like how an idiot misses the point. YES! Jason Momoa lookalike KISA would literally fuck me up! The jury has spoken, Jason Momoa as the model for the next gay KISA. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 9:08:47 GMT
The reason why I'm very hesitant to say who's more damaged is my own personal experience losing loved ones to drug addiction. Honestly that's one of the most damaged states one can be in. Eh...I don't like to say who's got it worse in general. It's safe to say you need more then damaged past to disqualify you from KISA if Cullen's issues don't disqualify him. Good enough? Cullen seems he can handle this. (I didn't do the romance.) Samson was, who collapsed, but Meredith played a role in this lyrium addiction. But still: Cullen much more strong, probably he was originally stronger, than Samson. Lyrium leads to addiction and seems a very slow deterioration. Compared with Fenris? I still think, Fenris is, who more damaged. At least as I experienced. Cullen was a honored soldier, a knight, Fenris was a slave. This is a great difference. Being as slave in this case is not as much a difference as you may think. He was not a typical elf slave, he was a body guard that has more experience in combat then most Templars-most likely. Either way, as I said I'm not saying you have to count him, but he counts for me personally. |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 9:18:50 GMT
Cullen seems he can handle this. (I didn't do the romance.) Samson was, who collapsed, but Meredith played a role in this lyrium addiction. But still: Cullen much more strong, probably he was originally stronger, than Samson. Lyrium leads to addiction and seems a very slow deterioration. Compared with Fenris? I still think, Fenris is, who more damaged. At least as I experienced. Cullen was a honored soldier, a knight, Fenris was a slave. This is a great difference. Being as slave in this case is not as much a difference as you may think. He was not a typical elf slave, he was a body guard that has more experience in combat then most Templars-most likely. Either way, as I said I'm not saying you have to count him, but he counts for me personally. It's okay, I got it. And me too. And you're right, hi was a very good fighter, as I said before. So good that he killed a bunch of Fog Warriors, who protected him because his Master called him. This isn't a soldier, this is a slave. He wasn't able to deny his master, just when he saw the result. He needs to recover from it. He's strong. But still, at the moment he's damaged to become KISA. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 9:24:42 GMT
Being as slave in this case is not as much a difference as you may think. He was not a typical elf slave, he was a body guard that has more experience in combat then most Templars-most likely. Either way, as I said I'm not saying you have to count him, but he counts for me personally. It's okay, I got it. And me too. And you're right, hi was a very good fighter, as I said before. So good that he killed a bunch of warriors, who received him because his Master called him. This isn't a soldier, this is a slave. He wasn't able to deny his master, just when he saw the result. He needs to recover from it. He's strong. But still, at the moment he's damaged to become KISA. Cullen nearly killed the inquisitor cause he was having a bad day with his addiction. I watch a lot of crime shows. ( A big box like that to the head could have totally got the job done. ) It's apples and oranges to me. The core of their characters are very similar, and I'd trust either of them on their best days to protect me in the most awesome of knightly fashions-and on either of their bad day I'd want to be a safe safe distance.  |
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Post by Catilina on Mar 12, 2017 9:26:10 GMT
It's okay, I got it. And me too. And you're right, hi was a very good fighter, as I said before. So good that he killed a bunch of Fog Warriors, who protected him because his Master called him. This isn't a soldier, this is a slave. He wasn't able to deny his master, just when he saw the result. He needs to recover from it. He's strong. But still, at the moment he's damaged to become KISA. cause he was having a bad day with his addiction. I watch a lot of crime shows. ( A big box like that to the head could have totally got the job done. ) It's apples and oranges to me. The core of their characters are very similar, and I'd trust either of them on their best days to protect me in the most awesome of knightly fashions-and on either of their bad day I'd want to be a safe distance. He missed the throw...  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 9:33:21 GMT
Jason Momoa's the current inspiration for a knight I've in mind. And thank god, this thread is back. I missed it like how an idiot misses the point. YES! Jason Momoa lookalike KISA would literally fuck me up! The jury has spoken, Jason Momoa as the model for the next gay KISA. I gotta draw this at some point... BUT UGH, I'm so busy throughout the entire month and the next. I can't take on any more pet projects... |
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Post by witchcocktor on Mar 12, 2017 9:34:16 GMT
YES! Jason Momoa lookalike KISA would literally fuck me up! The jury has spoken, Jason Momoa as the model for the next gay KISA. I gotta draw this at some point... BUT UGH, I'm so busy throughout the entire month and the next. I can't take on any more pet projects... You need to do this though, my life depends on it :gasp: |
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And Hawke is basically rescuing Fenris throughout the entirety of their relationship in the game. Not always literally; s/he is rescuing him from isolation, depression, fear, distrust, etc. Compare him to Cullen, who also suffers from PTSD. I don't feel the inquisitor has to rescue Cullen in any way (although due to game mechanics they have the ability to tell Cullen to stay on or off the drugs). Cullen is a doer, a commander, a leader. Fenris is a former slave, a frightened (angry, but frightened) man who hides in his mansion and can't confront Danarius without you.
Either that or just nice, friendly warrior girl with no personality to her other than being nice and being romanceable. 
Geez, blech!
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