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Post by projectpatdc on Mar 15, 2017 5:25:05 GMT
I know the PC guys will be butt hurt by this, but I wish Bioware had held off from EA and made a deal with PlayStation this generation to become a PlayStation studio like Guerrilla or Naughty Dawg. Think about the talent of original Bioware with the appropriate money and care and no EA bullshit. They could have even done a pc port Dude they have multiple studios on this project, I bet over 300 people easy. And they had five years. Resources aren't the issue. Plus, who the hell wants to make money off one platform when you can make money off three? Exclusives are going the way of the dinosaur for a reason. I know resources aren't the issue. I was just saying imagine if they had the same amount of resources with more creative freedom/quality of games that are ps exclusives (excluding no mans sky). I wouldn't want to exclude people which is why it could also be available on pc. Xbox hasn't done well this gen at all so not sure why people would still have one
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Post by felipejiraya on Mar 15, 2017 5:34:55 GMT
Just like every other BioWare game from the last decade or so.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 15, 2017 5:47:40 GMT
Dude they have multiple studios on this project, I bet over 300 people easy. And they had five years. Resources aren't the issue. Plus, who the hell wants to make money off one platform when you can make money off three? Exclusives are going the way of the dinosaur for a reason. I know resources aren't the issue. I was just saying imagine if they had the same amount of resources with more creative freedom/quality of games that are ps exclusives (excluding no mans sky). I wouldn't want to exclude people which is why it could also be available on pc. Xbox hasn't done well this gen at all so not sure why people would still have one Because there's games I like, and I still have friends who play on Xbox.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2017 6:07:47 GMT
So, basically every BioWare game to come out in the past 7 years really. This. It seems ever since BioWare was no longer an independent company they have been divisive. I guess with good reason, as their design has changed over time to reflect some of the changes shown in being an EA division, but the games are still of higher quality than other studios and still well-told stories in the long run. It just seems like they have become a punching bag because people want them to fail now...but then again most people who are fans are vicious to the point of eating their own tail...
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Post by Hex on Mar 15, 2017 8:56:54 GMT
I agree completely, considering how different this game is turning out to be compared to the Original Trilogy, it's a very safe assumption that this game is going to be very divisive. Personally I think I'll love it, it feels like everything I hoped BW would add to this game they have, but then again only time will tell.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 15, 2017 9:43:08 GMT
I watched it played for 4 hours. Other than the facial animations (which are passable but really havent taken steps forward from the original trilogy), and the other little glitches, its looked like a Me game to me so far. The planets look very expansive and theyre already 10 times more intresting to explore than those barren rocks in ME1 . The voice acting is on the point, and the writing seems decent enough. Its not shakespeare, but its about on the level of ME3 so far. People who ahve played it have already said the combat is the best of all the ME games so far.
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 15, 2017 10:31:27 GMT
some people are so emotional about how they think every facet of this game "should" be, yeah there will be a lot of haters. yeah, this will be a love it/ hate it game for many.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 11:07:35 GMT
I think its going to be way worse than that, it will have as many good parts as bad parts making it mediocre. And mediocre is truly bad because it makes it impossible to hate or love it. This game will not go into Valhalla, all shiny and chrome. That's for sure.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 11:08:27 GMT
Just like every other BioWare game from the last decade or so. DA:O wasn't love it/hate it. It was love it/like it at worst.
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Post by turianrebel212 on Mar 15, 2017 11:12:28 GMT
I think it will be mediocre.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 11:39:25 GMT
Yeah, probably some people, likely not many.
I don't want them to fail, they have failed already in many aspects. If they were ever "the chosen one" they are certainly not anymore. I mean, I don't HATE them, their games are still somewhat entertaining and decent overall even if they lack that special spark.
ME:A will likely be the same, some good aspects, some bad aspects. Somewhere between mediocre and decent, which isn't a very good result when you take into account their level of investment and production values.
Seems to be the case (imho) with many (not all) AAA blockbusters these days. They kind of feel like hollow shells without much love put into their creation.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 15, 2017 11:42:08 GMT
For the metacritic score I predict a 90 or at least 85 when you goes into the critics score, review sites and reviewers. When it will be the user score, it might be more in the 7.5 to 8.5. But we shall see about it. What I am seeing is that MEA is mostly an evolution of some mechanics of DAI, and it provides a more accessible gameplay to the customer. But unless its really bad, there is no way I am not going to enjoy it, I loved every bioware games except dragon age 2 so the 80 canadian dollars I shall pay will be well spent. Hmm I think you're being too optimistic with that 90 prediction. 85 maybe. I think mid 80s is best case scenario at this point.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 11:51:21 GMT
For the metacritic score I predict a 90 or at least 85 when you goes into the critics score, review sites and reviewers. When it will be the user score, it might be more in the 7.5 to 8.5. But we shall see about it. What I am seeing is that MEA is mostly an evolution of some mechanics of DAI, and it provides a more accessible gameplay to the customer. But unless its really bad, there is no way I am not going to enjoy it, I loved every bioware games except dragon age 2 so the 80 canadian dollars I shall pay will be well spent. Hmm I think you're being too optimistic with that 90 prediction. 85 maybe. I think mid 80s is best case scenario at this point. We can make bets about the user score, it's the more fun one. Will it go below 5.0? People will just flood it with 0's, possibly more than DA2.
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Post by stysiaq on Mar 15, 2017 12:06:20 GMT
We can make bets about the user score, it's the more fun one. Will it go below 5.0? People will just flood it with 0's, possibly more than DA2. Funnily enough, despite the claims of many users "review bombing", I found the user scores for some games to be more representative of reality than the "professional" reviews.
The Steam review system is also useful, at least to a degree, despite similar claims.
I enjoy the user reviews thoroughly, as long as the reviewer gives an honest score and not a 10 or 0 to "adjust" the seemingly unjust score. I think Steam reviews are better than MC though.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 15, 2017 13:54:27 GMT
I watched it played for 4 hours. Other than the facial animations (which are passable but really havent taken steps forward from the original trilogy), and the other little glitches, its looked like a Me game to me so far. The planets look very expansive and theyre already 10 times more intresting to explore than those barren rocks in ME1 . The voice acting is on the point, and the writing seems decent enough. Its not shakespeare, but its about on the level of ME3 so far. People who ahve played it have already said the combat is the best of all the ME games so far. The quality of writing is on par with ME3? It is really not acceptable at all.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2017 14:23:02 GMT
This. It seems ever since BioWare was no longer an independent company they have been divisive. I guess with good reason, as their design has changed over time to reflect some of the changes shown in being an EA division, but the games are still of higher quality than other studios and still well-told stories in the long run. It just seems like they have become a punching bag because people want them to fail now...but then again most people who are fans are vicious to the point of eating their own tail... Yeah, probably some people, likely not many.
I don't want them to fail, they have failed already in many aspects. If they were ever "the chosen one" they are certainly not anymore. I mean, I don't HATE them, their games are still somewhat entertaining and decent overall even if they lack that special spark.
ME:A will likely be the same, some good aspects, some bad aspects. Somewhere between mediocre and decent, which isn't a very good result when you take into account their level of investment and production values.
But people really didn't think that wouldn't be the case going in? I figured from the get go that the game is going to play it safe and be more or less in the bioware pattern. Partially because of Mass Effect 3, partially because of Dragon Age: Inquisition. That is not really a failure per-say, but it is routine. It's why that sort of 'chosen one' mentality is kind of ridiculous to me.
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Post by jastall on Mar 15, 2017 14:30:35 GMT
Just like every other BioWare game from the last decade or so. DA:O wasn't love it/hate it. It was love it/like it at worst. Um, no. It was hated by a lot of people, especially fans of more classic CRPGs. Not as much as DA2/DAI, granted, but still. Bioware hasn't done a game that wasn't controversial to some degree since Jade Empire. It just got worse from DA2/ME3 onwards, such that now many people on the internet have an axe to grind with the company and are more vocal, but it was always there.
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Post by malgus on Mar 15, 2017 14:37:13 GMT
For the metacritic score I predict a 90 or at least 85 when you goes into the critics score, review sites and reviewers. When it will be the user score, it might be more in the 7.5 to 8.5. But we shall see about it. What I am seeing is that MEA is mostly an evolution of some mechanics of DAI, and it provides a more accessible gameplay to the customer. But unless its really bad, there is no way I am not going to enjoy it, I loved every bioware games except dragon age 2 so the 80 canadian dollars I shall pay will be well spent. Hmm I think you're being too optimistic with that 90 prediction. 85 maybe. I think mid 80s is best case scenario at this point. Dragon age inquisition on ps4 has an 89, on pc and xbox one 85. So I don't think that is too optimistick about the critics score
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 15, 2017 14:37:40 GMT
But people really didn't think that wouldn't be the case going in? I figured from the get go that the game is going to play it safe and be more or less in the bioware pattern. Partially because of Mass Effect 3, partially because of Dragon Age: Inquisition. That is not really a failure per-say, but it is routine. It's why that sort of 'chosen one' mentality is kind of ridiculous to me.I meant that part mostly ironically. I never thought about them in this way, but there is no denying that they changed, and not necessarily for the better.
What would you say was the influence of DA:I on the development of ME:A? I mean, DA:I might have received some awards, but it didn't have much competition. I don't think that it was a staggering financial success either.
I was referring to the pre-release schedule and post-release discovery of removed content. The reception of Inquisition being lukewarm over time and the ending of Mass Effect 3, basically I don't see BioWare going out of their comfort zone again for a while because of those experiences. Also Inqusition I thought sold about average for BioWare, so roughly 2 million units. Of course those numbers are unconfirmed.
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But people really didn't think that wouldn't be the case going in? I figured from the get go that the game is going to play it safe and be more or less in the bioware pattern. Partially because of Mass Effect 3, partially because of Dragon Age: Inquisition. That is not really a failure per-say, but it is routine. It's why that sort of 'chosen one' mentality is kind of ridiculous to me.I meant that part mostly ironically. I never thought about them in this way, but there is no denying that they changed, and not necessarily for the better.
What would you say was the influence of DA:I on the development of ME:A? I mean, DA:I might have received some awards, but it didn't have much competition. I don't think that it was a staggering financial success either.
It would be nice to see how well DA:I sold over time, and how many people are still playing it to this day. EA however doesn't allow tracking of either of those things. Gee, i wonder why? To be honest i think Bioware is in trouble with the release of ME:A. If it is a miss then we will see drastic changes. Heres hoping most of the Bioware employees that still got the passion just quit and start Kickstarting shit. They got the talent, but they don't have the freedom. That was a bit too much doom and gloom.
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Post by malgus on Mar 15, 2017 14:41:50 GMT
I know I am going to repeat myslef but I don't trust MC user review either : I don't agree with them on dying light which are very positive on metacritic while I forced myself to finish it, when I agree nearly 100% with angry joe opinion on the game : And also according to user review on metacritic, bloodrayne a movie made by uwe boll has a good score and should be watched : www.metacritic.com/movie/bloodrayneYeah you heard that right an uwe boll movie is good apparently if we listen the users, I let you nostalgia critic on that :
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Post by blah23 on Mar 15, 2017 14:46:02 GMT
Just like every other BioWare game from the last decade or so. DA:O wasn't love it/hate it. It was love it/like it at worst. It seems you haven't visited the RPG Codex.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2017 14:52:27 GMT
People hated DA:O? Wow, i wouldn't have expected that. Then again on the codex its open hunting season on anything modern, unless its Obsidian.
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Post by jastall on Mar 15, 2017 14:53:57 GMT
Um, no. It was hated by a lot of people, especially fans of more classic CRPGs. Not as much as DA2/DAI, granted, but still. Bioware hasn't done a game that wasn't controversial to some degree since Jade Empire. It just got worse from DA2/ME3 onwards, such that now many people on the internet have an axe to grind with the company and are more vocal, but it was always there. I doubt it's even remotely comparable. I cannot claim to be objectively right in this, but I remember being on the forums when Origins released, and it wasn't sunshine and roses by any means. Game is too simplified, game looks bad, writing is bad/cliché, characters are annoying, too many Chanter's Board fetch-quests, were amongst the most common complaints as I recall. The bile HAS gotten worse in recent years, no doubt, but Bioware games have never been universally beloved for sure. I'm also leery of accusations of bad writing these days, since I don't think Bioware's products have gotten significantly better or worse over time. ME2 is amongst their most beloved games, and its writing is truly, amazingly stupid in places (Lazarus Project, ho!). I haven't seen anything this bad in Andromeda so far. And since the RPS previewer liked ME3's ending... well, let's just play it safe and say our tastes differ. Significantly.
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