I think this will be a love it or hate it game.

The internet does love it's hyperbole. It's amazing or it's garbage, no-one makes an average game anymore apparently.

In truth most people are unable to separate their own personal disappointment from objective truth. Someone thinks a game would be great but it turns out to just be decent. So the "logical" response is to slam it like it was Superman 64 and give it a 0/10 user review. I don't think BioWare has made a single game I've played that could be labelled truly awful. 

Very True..

Even percieved failures like DA:2 or DA:I are by themselves actually good games. If you compare them to all other RPGs released at the same Time the 8-9/10 Scores where pretty justified.

Sadly there are just not as many even decent RPGs in direct comparison to Dragon Age or Mass Effect. When DA2 came the two RPGs that would dominate 2011 in Witcher 2 and Skyrim where not released yet. The same happened with DA:I. Skyrim was already 3 years old..in 2014 not one really good RPG released so DA:I by itself compared to what released at the same Time.. again.. a good Game.
And especially DA:I suffered immensly after just half a year later The Witcher 3 came out.. DA:I went from mostly loved to mostly hated just around the Time The Witcher 3 came out..
The Witcher 3 made all flaws DA:I had so much more visible. The Fetch Quests, the Combat System, the "Meh" Antagonist, The Big but a bit "sterile" regions..

I was the same.. before The Witcher 3 i really liked DA:I for me it was "well not Origins but alot better than DA2" .. since i played TW3 i could not finish another Playthrough of DAI as much as i wanted to..

But at least i still remember how i felt when i first played it. I loved it. I think many people forgot or denied that they liked or even loved it at first playthrough..
I still hold that "First Playthrough feeling" to DA:I's credit. And can still say its a good Game.. just not as great as it could have been.

Bioware as you said has never made a truly BAD game.. The Characters, The created Universe and the Atmosphere is at least really good in EVERY Bioware game so far. It can be disapointing and not to your taste.. but its never either non existend or horrible.

People are too black and white.. as you said.. its either the best Game they every played or a complete pile of trash.. most people wont say "Well it was good but not great" or "I really liked it just a few minor problems"

The whole cussing thing is something that i dislike in Bioware games in general. I mean since DA:II its everywhere. Even Varric's most famous line is "Well, shit". Its not because i am anti swear words or anything, but when you use those words so often they really lose their weight and meaning. Not sure if you played Trespasser, but there is a great line there where the Inquisitor swears for the first time, and its actually really powerful, because you haven't heard that from him/her in 100 + hours so it actually has some weight to it. Small rant over.

While I agree there is still the new overall story.
In the original trilogy you still had shepard and some key character and plot that was common to the first 3 entries in the serie.
Now everything is new plotwise and in a Mass Effect it is a very big deal.

But people love to hate an entire game for one single reason.
Mass effect 3 (as all ME games had a lot of flaws) is trashed upon for 5 years now. And somehow BW had to make amend for the previous game ending, just read the comment, way more toxic than any Heleus planets.
Which is funny because when people are asked their favorite moment in the saga the Rannoch, Tutchanka part came very often, as much as doing balltrap with Garrus and Citadel.

I just watch a gameplay video with ryder killing kett with Cora and Vetra and the top comment was :
"So no white people in the game ?" and all the feminazi, evil sjw stuff, racist dev, boycott stupid reason despite the video only showing white people...
So yes people are stupid and are going to hate the game no matter what.

Cripes, even when it's Obsidian. I saw the meltdown that site had when Pillars of Eternity came out. Some loved it to bits, others hate it with a burning passion. One of the admins was a guy who was very disappointed in the final product and made himself heard every single chance he got, up to and including pushing for several ''official'' negative reviews if memory serves. I don't go to the Codex anymore, differences of opinion are fine and we find them here. But that place is often a wasteland of toxicity and shitposting, most of which isn't even funny.

Meh.... They're just as unreliable than "professional" reviewers.

2 millions units would be under-performing. DAI was their fastest seller, which means it sold more than ME3 which sold 3.5 millions in its first week.

Despite all the "hate", BioWare games are selling more with each new ones.

Hey whether you like the game or not is irrelevant to me. The point I'm making is that just as there's Bioware fans who dismiss criticism, there are detractors who dismiss any praise of the game without any refutation other than: really arbitrary or silly reasons. I actually used to feel that fan reviews were more reliable, especially when I was for Gamergate, but over time I found them just as bad as "professional" reviewers. They use their extreme biases to judge games they don't like and often copy and paste what was repeated ad nasueum by the majority (which may or may not be true.) and even dock games for petty reasons. I'll concede that they can be more honest than "professional" reviews, but I've really soured on user reviews lately.

True.

But very few people do that, from fans to actual critics.

I  try to do that and it's a struggle most of the time, because of how difficult it is to convey mechanics and ideas, design flaws and merits in text, all wrapped up into what is ultimately subjective feelings of said mechanics and presentation.

It is difficult, for sure. 

Indeed uwe boll movies are quite an accomplishment of how shitty they are. 

Sometime I would suggest people to watch house of the dead 2003. Not because its good, but because it contains EVERYTHING to not do in a movie. The film does every mistakes possible and make sure to not miss even a tiny one. All of them are here without any exception, and that is why I cannot understand why the user review on metacritic tells me that users thought that bloodrayne is a good movie...

At least if it was funny like "plan 9 from outer space", or "the room", but that is not even the case.

Everything I've seen so far looks good. There are just the nitpicking of the bad animations, lack of attention to detail, streamlining of customizations, lack diversity using vehicles and combat, not as seamless as I had hoped

Still seems better than ME3 in every regard except not being able to give your squad new weapons

Ok calm down I never treated anyone of snowflake, like NEVER. I said something before about that but I will have to repeat it : I was speaking about the extremists.  If you just thought mass effect 3 was bad, its not a problem. you can think whatever you want about mass effect 3, you can write a novel about how bad you think it is if you wish so. As long as you don't insult the people who think differently than you, that is totally fine.

The problem are about the extremists who see conspiracy the second someone gives a bioware game a good review, you may disagree with angry joe when he gives ME 3 an 8 out of 10. Totally fine to disagree with his score, I myself don't always agree with him, and that is fine. BUT accusing him of corruption and being paid by EA, even if he never miss them when they do something shitty  : 





It has happened A LOT, some people cannot accept the fact that other gamer THINKS theses games are good, their only explanation for the good score is "these people are paid by a corporation to say that" the ockham razor theory never comes to their mind that MAYBE that person just thinks these products are genuinely good games. For the extremists (not the one who makes constructive criticsm) its impossible that someone sees thing differently. Well here I am, thinking all bioware games have been good since the very first mass effect (with the exception of dragon age 2) and I am certainly not paid to say that. And just to be more accurate, I SEE THEM AS GOOD GAMES, not just enjoy them, I think they are good and I am not ashamed of that.

Nobody forces you to think like angry joe or projared when they both putted mass effect 3 in their top 10 games of 2012, my point was about the extremists not the people who don't think much of ME 3, and yes there is a huge differences.


And I never said that people should never except criticsm on the internet, I actually never even spoke that, I spoke about the paranoid conspiracy theorist. But you apperently thought it was about you for some reasons? If you think the writing is not good in ME 3, well all right, but that was not the subject AT ALL. It was not about the criticism of the game, it was about the extremism of some people. Thinking and criticising ME 3 is not a problem and I never said it was, I actually written that not all people who disliked mass effect 3 are extremist.

Now about the spoiler, you see when I was in school, I had to read an Agatha Chirstie novel and I did not wanted to do that, like REALLY NOT. You know what I did? I decided to read the last page to immediatly know who was the killer to make sure my experience would be as boring as possible. Because some people were telling me that this novel might no be as boring as the other books, but I was thick headed and I did not wanted this experiece to be good, so I sabotaged it myself by spoiling the story. 

When you decide to not care about spoiler, well YOU decided to spoil yourself the story, YOU decided to have  no surprises with the plot, YOU decided to not have an experience where you will discover the word that is suppose to be unknown to you. You see that's the thing, some story elements are made for you to not know them before playing, if you know them before, you ruin a part of your own experience. And that is not bioware's fault if you decided that, you decided to have no surprise and therefore having a lesser experience.

For exemple in mass effect 2, someone who did not watch ANY trailers would have a better experience than the ones who decided to watch all of them. Because the trailer showed grunt as a korgan companion, however you are not supposed to know that before you play, you are suppose to think that warlord okeer is going to fill that role. But since grunt appear in the marketing and not okeer, you knew okeer is not going to survive the korlus mission and his subjects will be your companion, therefore making the situation much less effective and is death predictable.

Same for the archangel mission, its suppose to be a surprise that he and garrus are the same person, but since the marketing make sure to spoil that scene, the reveal is not effective at all. we identify far less with sheppard when he is asking question about archangel because the player knew who he was and therefore all the situation, all the questioning on him before he removes his mask were pointless because there is no feeling of discovery or anything. we already know what its going to lead to.

Now I am not saying you would have loved mass effect andromeda even while not spoiling yourself, maybe you would have hated this game even by not watching any trailer or clip, that is possible. BUT what happen here is that because you feared dissapointment so much, you thought it was worth spoiling yourself the feeling of discovery or surprise. You decided to sacrifice a bit of your experience just to be 100% sure to not have dissapointment, and that is not bioware responsability if you decided to do that while you could have chosen to not do it. 

And I want you to think of this, the people who decided to not spoil themselves are probably going to enjoy this game more than you do. because they are going to discover it when they play, NOT with trailers or clips. There is going to have a sense of discovery for them, a feeling of surprise that you won't have because you decided to not care about spoiler. So if someone come with a good review of MEA, would you understand why maybe they had a better experience than you had? Think about this.