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Post by linksocarina on Mar 17, 2017 18:24:36 GMT
It's a franchise, i doubt it will go anywhere.
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Post by ayenari on Mar 17, 2017 18:39:57 GMT
It's a franchise, i doubt it will go anywhere. Underperforming sales can absolutely get EA to kill a game series, or at least put it on ice for the time being. EA have done it before, and it's not really Bioware that's in charge of giving a project a greenlight from investors.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 17, 2017 18:45:37 GMT
It's a franchise, i doubt it will go anywhere. Underperforming sales can absolutely get EA to kill a game series, or at least put it on ice for the time being. EA have done it before, and it's not really Bioware that's in charge of giving a project a greenlight from investors. I see mass effect the same way I see battlefield and medal of honor, as a franchise for EA they will push it out when they can. Older i p are often brought back into the fold. I agree more with it being on ice for a while at worst, but I don't see it dissappearing forever.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 17, 2017 18:47:07 GMT
It's a franchise, i doubt it will go anywhere. Famous last words. The kind of negative and hysterical press and memes that have spread like wildfire on the Internet in the past few days, will absolutely hurt this game's sales. There's no way it won't. If Andromeda underperforms, they'll either get a 2nd chance at salvaging the series, or EA will kill it. Everyone involved with this game better pray, like their jobs depended on it, that this game gets good reviews. I would say 85 on MC is probably best case scenario at this point, but not likely.
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 18:53:14 GMT
On one hand I want ME:A to crash and burn, and do so bad in order to punish Bioware for horrible choices and decissions, from hiring and protecting Manweer Heir and the "GTA V simulates rape" woman down to escaping to another galaxy and trampling over the lore and what makes ME a great space opera all in name of social justice and profits.
On the other hand I fear that it might be the death of Mass Effect as a whole, since EA only cares about profits. I want this to be a wake-up call to Bioware, not their death as a company. The complaints on animations were adressed 2-3 months ago, developers claimed it was a bug (they lied) and that they were working to fix it (another lie) and now that 3 months have passed we can see that they haven't done anything with the game in that time, or the animations. Now that we're mere days from release people thing/hope/believe that all of that will be fixed?
The issues arising are mere symptoms of a greater issue, Bioware simply doesn't care anymore. ME:A will be Dragon age Inquisition in space. My face is tired, I'm out
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Post by themikefest on Mar 17, 2017 19:06:37 GMT
I actually kind of hope they don't try to bring Shep back in desperation. I'm not against going back to the Milky Way, but Shep's story is over. I like to see Shepard in another game. It wouldn't be hard to do. If MEA does poorly, what would EA/Bioware do? Release something that can make money very quickly to make up for what they were hoping MEA would bring in. They could remaster the trilogy. No idea how long it would take and how much it would cost. I'm sure if they did that a lot of people would buy it especially if the price included all dlc. I wouldn't be surprised if people that have an Xbox one would buy it. While another company is remastering the trilogy, Bioware makes a game featuring Shepard. They do have their get-out-of-jail-for-free card. Does bringing Shepard back mean the reapers have to return? No. EA knows people like Shepard and the characters that surround Shepard. I'm sure a lot of folks would buy the game If MEA does very well, I believe it will, they still could make another game in the Milky Way, maybe not with Shepard, but still could have another game take place in the Milky Way. Keep the current team for continuing in Andromeda and bring in a new team to make a game in the Milky Way. I'm sure this would never happen, but who knows. Of course the worst case scenario is no more ME if Andromeda does very poorly. I don't see that happening. Either way, its up to Bioware what they want to do. I'm sure they already have ideas of what they want do for the next game.
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 17, 2017 19:11:01 GMT
The best bet for Bioware would be to remaster the trilogy while adressing and changing plots in order to make a more comprehensive whole that would allow for further Mass Effects in the same galaxy and same setting. Cannonize an ending ffs.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 19:12:52 GMT
Underperforming sales can absolutely get EA to kill a game series, or at least put it on ice for the time being. EA have done it before, and it's not really Bioware that's in charge of giving a project a greenlight from investors. I see mass effect the same way I see battlefield and medal of honor, as a franchise for EA they will push it out when they can. Older i p are often brought back into the fold. I agree more with it being on ice for a while at worst, but I don't see it dissappearing forever. Never forget: BW is trying to proof that the franchise can stand on it's own with this game - without a trilogy to back it all up. If they can't do that, that could be very well the end of the ME universe for a quite while...
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Post by ayenari on Mar 17, 2017 19:17:35 GMT
Shepard is not a "free get out of jail" card if the game that shepard got put in would get slammed for much the same reason ME:A is currently being, after Witcher 3 managed to have both decent animations on non player characters and a beefy game at the same time.
That would likely require bioware/EA to redirect their Edmonton team back onto Mass Effect as the main production studio along with a will to actually improve on it, and as far as we know that part of Bioware is currently busy producing a new IP they've yet to tell people about.
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Post by Realguile on Mar 17, 2017 19:28:27 GMT
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Post by Furisco on Mar 17, 2017 19:32:44 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda became a meme and this is not good.
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Post by degs29 on Mar 17, 2017 19:33:01 GMT
It's what it was always going to be. Bioware has a group of people who will always hate them, and they will spew venom no matter how good Bioware does. It started with DA2 and grew with ME3 ending. DA:I was a great game but still it took huge flak, even from people who played the game for hundreds of hours (doesn't make sense, does it?). It's okay to have legit gripes, but when I see people who play the game extensively but still harshly criticize it, it makes me wonder. I think ME:A will be the same as DA:I in this regard. No, that's just making up excuses for them. If the game was great, people would've recognized it as great. It's true Bioware has haters, but when even professional game critics are down on the game, then there's a real problem with it. Critics are influenced by their readers, and if sentiment for a company is bad among consumers, that tends to put negative pressure on review scores from critics. For instance, plenty of games are rated highly on release, but if the initial reaction from gamers is negative, the later critic reviews tend to reflect that and drag the score down. Critics already know gamers have gripes about Andromeda (1) because bad animations are something that can be seen in trailers and (2) because gamers have especially hated on Bioware since the ME3 ending debacle. Critics saw the poor user reviews for both ME3 and DA:I and they're catering to those people.
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Post by n7rhysj on Mar 17, 2017 19:49:33 GMT
But yet majority of users on here who have a vested intrest in this game are reporting good things outside of the techinal issues, I really think that people should play and make up their own mind.I palyed the trial and throughly enjoyed it it does have issues which can be addressed what cant be addressed is if the mechanics suck or the story is shit and from the trial as far as im concerned its neither.
Im not saying BW is off the hook but cmon guys you didnt play the old trilogy for the facial animations give it a chance and play the game if it sucks then by all means slag BW off
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 17, 2017 19:49:42 GMT
Oh my... This is why you take the CDPR approach. You don't have to worry about animating emotion if your main character barely expresses any. The character of Geralt is SUPPOSED to be stoic. But he expresses so much more emotion in this scene than I've EVER seen from Bioware: THAT, ladies and gentleman, is how to display grief in a video game after a main character dies. What Andromeda did when Alec Ryder died was PATHETIC! And when Sara Ryder creepily smiles when talking to Addison Foster about it... yeesh. CD project Red should develop a traditional RPG where you create your own character and shame Bioware for their laziness.
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Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2017 20:19:00 GMT
This is why you take the CDPR approach. You don't have to worry about animating emotion if your main character barely expresses any. The character of Geralt is SUPPOSED to be stoic. But he expresses so much more emotion in this scene than I've EVER seen from Bioware: THAT, ladies and gentleman, is how to display grief in a video game after a main character dies. What Andromeda did when Alec Ryder died was PATHETIC! And when Sara Ryder creepily smiles when talking to Addison Foster about it... yeesh. CD project Red should develop a traditional RPG where you create your own character and shame Bioware for their laziness. Just watched that scene and Geralt's face barely moves in it. In fact the emotion bit is portrayed when you can't see Geralt's face and mainly by the music at the moment. This is not an example of good facial animation
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Post by Cyonan on Mar 17, 2017 20:26:20 GMT
This is why you take the CDPR approach. You don't have to worry about animating emotion if your main character barely expresses any. The character of Geralt is SUPPOSED to be stoic. But he expresses so much more emotion in this scene than I've EVER seen from Bioware: THAT, ladies and gentleman, is how to display grief in a video game after a main character dies. What Andromeda did when Alec Ryder died was PATHETIC! And when Sara Ryder creepily smiles when talking to Addison Foster about it... yeesh. CD project Red should develop a traditional RPG where you create your own character and shame Bioware for their laziness. I already acknowledged that I know Geralt is supposed to be stoic and was written from day 1 to not really express much emotion(doesn't mean he doesn't have them, just that he doesn't show it as much). Also, there isn't much in the way of facial emotion in that scene which is what I was getting at. The facial animations in the Witcher 3 aren't anything impressive. They get the job done sure, but that's about all that can be said about them. Would it have been better if ME:A hadn't tried to display a wider range of emotion and went with the standard instead? Probably, at least based on what we have at launch. That's kind of what I was poking fun at, though =P
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 17, 2017 20:28:07 GMT
The character of Geralt is SUPPOSED to be stoic. But he expresses so much more emotion in this scene than I've EVER seen from Bioware: THAT, ladies and gentleman, is how to display grief in a video game after a main character dies. What Andromeda did when Alec Ryder died was PATHETIC! And when Sara Ryder creepily smiles when talking to Addison Foster about it... yeesh. CD project Red should develop a traditional RPG where you create your own character and shame Bioware for their laziness. Just watched that scene and Geralt's face barely moves in it. In fact the emotion bit is portrayed when you can't see Geralt's face and mainly by the music at the moment. This is not an example of good facial animation Excuse me, I didn't say Geralt's facial animations were spectacular. I just said that is how to properly display grief in a video game. Also, I would take the Witcher's limited facial animations to whatever the **** is going in in Andromeda ANY DAY. Sometimes less is more.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 17, 2017 20:28:19 GMT
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Post by llandwynwyn on Mar 17, 2017 20:30:13 GMT
This is DA2 all over again, except I genuinely believe DA2 didn't deserve half of what it got.
Also, it's funny people talking about TW3's animation. Because DA2 had superior facial animation* compared to TW2 and nobody cared back then. I'm glad a small number of people complained and CDPR was wise enough to listen to them, saw their game flaws and improved on them; instead of doing what BW/EA/the fanatics do, and dismiss all criticism. After all, it has always been this bad right guys????? Nope.
* DA2> MEA in as well. This is pathetic, bioware.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
Oh my... Wow... What's sad is I think they might actually believe that.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 20:34:19 GMT
This is DA2 all over again, except I genuinely believe DA2 didn't deserve half of what it got. Also, it's funny people talking about TW3's animation. Because DA2 had superior facial animation* compared to TW2 and nobody cared back then. I'm glad a small number of people complained and CDPR was wise enough to listen to them, saw their game flaws and improved on them; instead of doing what BW/EA/the fanatics do, and dismiss all criticism. After all, it has always been this bad right guys????? Nope. * DA2> MEA in as well. This is pathetic, bioware. On the whole TW3 did have moments of not great facial animations believe it or not. Geralt looked pretty good but some of the random characters didn't.
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Post by rras1994 on Mar 17, 2017 20:34:54 GMT
You said that Geralt was the one that was expressing emotion. He's not. The music and the camera angles are. The fact is The Witcher 3 does't have brilliant facial animations. They barely move throughout the game so we don't notice them. Bioware have actually tried to do different emotions on faces and the slip ups are much more visable due to this. The question is, is it better to try too much and not succeed or to not try at all?
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Post by helios969 on Mar 17, 2017 20:35:03 GMT
Meh, Bioware bashing is all the rage. And are these the same critics that gave FO4 9 out 10's? Yeah, they're credible. I'll still take the worst Bio has produced to the best Bethesda has done.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 17, 2017 20:35:19 GMT
This is DA2 all over again, except I genuinely believe DA2 didn't deserve half of what it got. Also, it's funny people talking about TW3's animation. Because DA2 had superior facial animation* compared to TW2 and nobody cared back then. I'm glad a small number of people complained and CDPR was wise enough to listen to them, saw their game flaws and improved on them; instead of doing what BW/EA/the fanatics do, and dismiss all criticism. After all, it has always been this bad right guys????? Nope. * DA2> MEA in as well. This is pathetic, bioware. People are complaining to bioware and they are listening. The argument or at least how I see it is whether or not the stiff animations and bugs will mean it'll be a bad game
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Post by llandwynwyn on Mar 17, 2017 20:50:25 GMT
This is DA2 all over again, except I genuinely believe DA2 didn't deserve half of what it got. Also, it's funny people talking about TW3's animation. Because DA2 had superior facial animation* compared to TW2 and nobody cared back then. I'm glad a small number of people complained and CDPR was wise enough to listen to them, saw their game flaws and improved on them; instead of doing what BW/EA/the fanatics do, and dismiss all criticism. After all, it has always been this bad right guys????? Nope. * DA2> MEA in as well. This is pathetic, bioware. On the whole TW3 did have moments of not great facial animations believe it or not. Geralt looked pretty good but some of the random characters didn't. It was really an improvement over TW2, that featured dead eyes and frozen faces. The problem isn't some awkwardness/bugs in some scenes, but overall which is what is happening with MEA. Stiff/awkward animations, bugs, the unplanned (?) comic exaggeration of the movements, dem eyes...It's too much to dismiss. Even pro BW zones are making fun of it, 'I'll wait for them to "fix" it.'. This is worrying. The game will sell, but how well? To all laughing as it is nothing, some people will lose their jobs over it.
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