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Post by ToLazy4Name on Mar 17, 2017 4:38:21 GMT
First, before you think I'm a racist white guy, I'm actually middle eastern in real life. It saddens me that you feel the need to clarify this here tbh
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Post by Natashina on Mar 17, 2017 4:39:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 4:40:28 GMT
I don't understand. Salarians are supposed to be all the same, then? I don't think this even needs to be explained in-game. Other species must have diversity too. Now, if we want to know why their accents are akin to ours, then I want to know why most aliens are humanoid.
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Post by ceryse on Mar 17, 2017 4:41:20 GMT
I didn't have a problem with his accent. I had a problem with the poor voice acting for the character. Very.. bland. To me it sounded like he was just reading it off the page with little effort/emotion; just going through the motions with none of the little ticks and quirks we've heard in Salarians in prior games.
I don't think the writing helped in this case, either, as I don't think it matches the voice actor's talents in this instance.
It isn't the only case of this, either. Most of the voice acting I've heard is decent to great; but there are several that stick out like a sore thumb as being down-right terrible. Tann's and Addison's are near the top of that list for me.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 17, 2017 4:43:37 GMT
Isn't point 1 a problem with the trilogy rather than a design principle to be preserved? The alien cultures should be more diverse. I agree, Diversity among aliens is more immersive. I'm fine with that as long as it's explained in the lore, codex or by the NPC. Human: "I've met lots of Salarians, but you don't sound like the others." Salarian: "I'm from the southern part of our homeworld." Something as simple as that is all I would need. I love to knitpick immersion the same way Rowling, Tolkien & Martin knitpick when creating their worlds. you could also say "I like your accent, where's it from?" or my personal fav from some dude on a voip "HOLY SHIT WHAT ACCENT IS THAT IT'S AMAZING" note don't do the second one makes you sounds creepy.... I was so confused that he was talking about me at the time :/ That said, making things more immersive is always good and if you world build while your at it? even better.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 4:51:55 GMT
The idea of having different dialects/accents among the aliens is nice, but it's defeated by the idea that these aliens are actually speaking in their own languages through a filter so everyone can universally understand them. Maybe there's individual settings on that thing, like how I can make Siri sound Australian.
In any case, it's funny that this just had to be "liberal leftist" anything. I almost severed my optic nerve rolling my eyes.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 17, 2017 4:53:18 GMT
Eww politics.
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Post by riou on Mar 17, 2017 4:54:43 GMT
I think the accent could be handwaved as a regional thing.
Also Kesh doesn't sound terribly different from Eve but that's not a bad thing.
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Post by rahavan on Mar 17, 2017 5:00:31 GMT
The idea of having different dialects/accents among the aliens is nice, but it's defeated by the idea that these aliens are actually speaking in their own languages through a filter so everyone can universally understand them. Maybe there's individual settings on that thing, like how I can make Siri sound Australian. In any case, it's funny that this just had to be "liberal leftist" anything. I almost severed my optic nerve rolling my eyes. I intentionally bring up politics so I'm immune to trigger words like that I also don't have many friends because of that but hey I'll take someone who stands behind there beliefs than a pussy any day!
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 17, 2017 5:01:14 GMT
Yeah, we're taking the politics out of this. You want politics, visit the thread in off-topic.
Now then, different accents happen in sci-fi all the time, obviously because they get different actors who have different accents, yet are perfectly capable of acting the role as required. See: Babylon 5, Star Trek, pretty much every major sci-fi from which Mass Effect has drawn its influence. You can safely assume they have different regions/dialects or whatever as needed, without it needing to be explicitly stated.
And another point to consider- some species have thus far been voiced by one actor in their entirety. While I love Mark Meer, does that mean that we'd need to "explain" the casting of anyone else as a Hanar, vorcha or volus? Actually I'm pretty sure I've heard different volus VOs already...
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 5:03:40 GMT
Yeah, we're taking the politics out of this. You want politics, visit the thread in off-topic. Now then, different accents happen in sci-fi all the time, obviously because they get different actors who have different accents, yet are perfectly capable of acting the role as required. See: Babylon 5, Star Trek, pretty much every major sci-fi from which Mass Effect has drawn its influence. And another point to consider- some species have thus far been voiced by one actor in their entirety. While I love Mark Meer, does that mean that we'd need to "explain" the casting of anyone else as a Hanar, vorcha or volus? Actually I'm pretty sure I've heard different volus VOs already... I seriously wish that they threw in some kind of Hanar voice joke where Meer voices the females as well in the same exact tone.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 5:08:15 GMT
Salarian voice acting in this game just seem all over the place this time. I think the team wants to "retcon" their voices to allow for more diversity in their race. It will take time to get used to but I'm okay with it. that one salarian that sounds like an unenthusiastic teen is immersion breaking though. It doesn't have to be retcon. The lore just needs to be expanded. There's more than enough room in Salarian lore to explain different sub-races of Salarians and their culture. Then we'll learn that Juran Tann comes from a different part of his Salarian homeworld or something.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 5:11:25 GMT
I get what you mean, via accents. Its always kinda weird when its almost random, especially when you have been accustomed to a general tone or dialect for a species. A french krogan out of nowhere would be weird. Or a Chinese turian. Nothing wrong with establishing various accents in the aliens, but when you closely associate that with humans only it can be jarring. Does Sur'Kesh have something resembling India? Did Jarun spend a bunch of time in India? There's a level of dissonance when its unexpected, and most games largely using varying accents from the Commonwealth (Australia, UK, North America) for aliens. Now, if you came across a group of Salarians with the accent, it would be different. Your brain would almost go "Oh okay!". But just one makes it stand out as so peculiar. You sir are a thinking man. Can I get your political affiliation? I'm a Trump supporter. You have a logical mind, I respect that highly.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 5:13:17 GMT
Why was Miranda the only one with an Australian accent? Why is Suvi the only one (so far) with a Scottish accent? Why was Shepard distinctly Canadian? Why were the Quarians pretty much all over the map when it came to accents? There is reaching for stuff to complain about, then there's this. 1. Humans don't need to be explained. 2. Quarians should've been explained. I mentioned that in my original post. Why should it be explaiend? Simple, it increases immersion to learn about alien sub-races & various cultures. 3. I expect Rowling, Martin & Tolkien level writing for Mass Effect series, nothing less.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 5:14:52 GMT
First, before you think I'm a racist white guy, I'm actually middle eastern in real life. It saddens me that you feel the need to clarify this here tbh It's because liberal leftists go around calling everyone they disagree with a straight, white male, nazi, racist, bigot, bla bla blah, etc. I don't get offended in real life when people ask me where I'm from. I encourage all white people to ask where minorities come from since whites are the majority in America. I too ask where whites come from and they answer, ireland, germany, france, etc. There is nothing wrong with asking people were they migrated from originally. You leftists are so illogical, PLEASE STOP. To anyone who reads this. I'm middle eastern. I don't mind if you ask me in real life where I'm from. I'll gladly tell you and even ask you where you're originally from. It's not a big deal. We exchange this information and then grow closer.
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Post by katstica on Mar 17, 2017 5:15:08 GMT
cry me a fuckin river
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 5:16:36 GMT
I totally forgot about the quarians, but at least their accent is largely universal (except for the late great Kal'Reegar). Everyone else was set to Space Gypsy.
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 5:25:20 GMT
I totally forgot about the quarians, but at least their accent is largely universal (except for the late great Kal'Reegar). Everyone else was set to Space Gypsy. Is there an IRL accent that they were heavily drawing from? IIRC the actors for quarians were of different ethnicities
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Post by nickles on Mar 17, 2017 5:26:45 GMT
I dunno, Kumail has actually done a LOT of voice over work. I immediately recognized his voice from TWD and Adventure Time. While I agree that his accent (as well as Lexi, and hell, even the red-head liaison on the Tempest) were quite jarring and I'd even agree with you on some creative choices being PC motivated, I don't believe this to be the case with any of these characters. I mean, Salarians have always had a high pitched nasally way of speaking, so it's something you just kind of get used to. There are a lot of questionable VA choices and actors who could have done a better job, but Najiani really wasn't one of them.
I just wish Turian colors weren't so weird and that Salarians had irises.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 5:29:06 GMT
Ahh, the desperate rhapsody of the final gasps of a dying political culture cursing reality. Such sweet music they make. A footnote in history will remember the passing of gas that gave breath to the OP.
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Post by nickles on Mar 17, 2017 5:30:44 GMT
I totally forgot about the quarians, but at least their accent is largely universal (except for the late great Kal'Reegar). Everyone else was set to Space Gypsy. Is there an IRL accent that they were heavily drawing from? IIRC the actors for quarians were of different ethnicities This has been debated a lot, but considering Quarians draw a lot from gypsies it's a safe bet to say it's Romanian -- or some slightly bastardized version of it.
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Post by ATR16 on Mar 17, 2017 5:36:54 GMT
Is there an IRL accent that they were heavily drawing from? IIRC the actors for quarians were of different ethnicities This has been debated a lot, but considering Quarians draw a lot from gypsies it's a safe bet to say it's Romanian -- or some slightly bastardized version of it. Someone on the old BSN put it well "British people doing Romanian accents, and Romanian people doing British accents" Not perfect, but accurate enough
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Post by Shaftell on Mar 17, 2017 5:37:32 GMT
Hey OP, I agree with your points. I would've also liked a little line about how he comes from a specific region which is why he has an accent and sounds different from all the other Salarians we've met. It obviously isn't that big of a deal. I just made up some background story in my head to explain the accent.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 5:38:15 GMT
Ahh, the desperate rhapsody of the final gasps of a dying political culture cursing reality. Such sweet music they make. A footnote in history will remember the passing of gas that gave breath to the OP. Logic will always win against political correctness. Sorry, but you guys are the ones losing right now. You'll also lose again in 2020. I agree, it's not that big of a deal, but I'm expecting Tolkien, Martin & Rowling level detail from Bioware. Still, I'm pleased that we both noticed this problem!
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Post by nickles on Mar 17, 2017 5:43:21 GMT
Hey OP, I agree with your points. I would've also liked a little line about how he comes from a specific region which is why he has an accent and sounds different from all the other Salarians we've met. It obviously isn't that big of a deal. I just made up some background story in my head to explain the accent. Well, hell, we've only had preliminary conversations with the guy. Maybe it'll come out? Possibly? Hopefully? Why are we even focusing on a Salarian with an accent? What about the impossibility of gene therapy in cryostasis? Or the fact that we're supposed to believe that Cora served with Asari Commandos when Jack is canonically the strongest human biotic and the best she got was a gig at a human school that Liara sort of scoffed at? But mostly, it's the Krogan thing. The SUPER CONVENIENT KROGAN THING.
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