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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 17, 2017 15:48:18 GMT
First, before you think I'm a racist white guy, I'm actually middle eastern in real life. The character Jarun Tann is played by Kumail Nanjiani who has a middle eastern accent. 1. Salarians have never had a middle eastern accent. 2. In previous Mass Effect titles you NEVER had to stop and think why the Salarians were speaking english with an accent. When I hear Jarun Tann's middle eastern accent, it breaks immersion for me. I immediately think that Kumail Nanjiani was cast for diversity political correct reasons and not because his voice acting was the best for the job. The concept of 'liberal leftist diversity" in most cases is the enemy of immersion.It's perfectly fine to hire a middle eastern as a voice actor for Jarun Tann, BUT make sure the voice actor speaks perfect English without an accent to match the enunciation of the Salarians from previous Mass Effect titles. Now, I'm not unreasonable, perhaps Jarun Tann's accent is explained in game via lore & codex, if that's the case, then I'm fine with that. Perhaps there are different sub-races of Salarians? Maybe Salarians on one part of their planet enunciate differently than say Salarians of the south. If the game explains that, then I'll be 100% fine with that. I had a similar problem with Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, I really like the real life actress, but it would've been nice if the Quarian lore touched on the different sub-races of Quarians. IMO different accents should be explained, it adds to immersion./discuss I think this can be answered quite easily. Jarun Tann is aboard the Nexus right? The Nexus is an isolated social system. Only people to talk to on there are the people who stay there. This could lead to a change in his accent if he speaks with humans that could be of middle eastern descent more than any of the others still aboard the Nexus. I surmise that like we humans the other races accents' change too if they were to be surrounded with different speech for a long enough time. Furthermore since we know Salarians are quicker in almost all things not to mention speech being something that some focus on more than others -Mordin. It is plausible to believe that if Jarun Tann had to speak with humans over an extended period -a year or more since the Nexus arrived right? And unlike us humans where it would take years for say an American to sound British after moving to the London, England. Salarians could probably change their accent a lot quicker... months maybe even weeks. IF true then could it not be said that Jarun Tann may have communicated with humans that could be of middle eastern descent and their accent caused his to change to theirs as well? At least it could be a possibility.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 15:53:05 GMT
Tell me why do quarians have slavic accents and some arabic accents? And slow talking, come on, its not like we havent had that before, remember Kirrahe? Not all salarians speak at the pace of Mordin. True, the indian guy didnt do as good a job as some actors, like Martin Sheen as TIM, but neither did Marina Sirtis as Benezia in ME1, it was wooden. From what ive looked, he did give of decent enough impression as this sleazy, somewhat speciest, salarian politician. I really dont fucking care about these little things. This is nitpicking in the worst way. No one beats Mirina Sertis. By the creators, what a corn/cheese fest.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 16:55:04 GMT
....
Er...
The fact that human accents are used in presumably machine auto-translated alien communications pretty much require a suspension of disbelief on its own since aliens don't even speak English to begin with...
...Humans have different accents. Why wouldn't aliens have different ones too?
I mean...
er...
You can theorize that the machine translator implanted in you provides a randomly generated accent for the person communicating with you.
There.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 17, 2017 17:03:36 GMT
I had a similar problem with Admiral Shala'Raan vas Tonbay, I really like the real life actress, but it would've been nice if the Quarian lore touched on the different sub-races of Quarians. Something just occurred to me. Why did you have a problem with Raan rather than, say, Xen? Neither of them match Tali. Do US and UK accents get a pass?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 17, 2017 17:08:48 GMT
I don't like the fact that it sounds like a voiceover. I know that's what it is, but I can't get over the fact that it sounds like a guy in a studio and not a salarian. Yeah I didn't even notice an accent, just thought he was speaking really slowly and carefully for a salarian.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 17, 2017 17:10:19 GMT
600 years is not all that long a time for a non technological species to become technological and start colonizing everything in sight, even assuming that there's intelligent life in the area. Right, it only took humans like 30 to discover the rest of the galaxy once getting to Mars. Or 150 game years from present day to Mass Effect, where you're travelling all across the galaxy at FTL speeds and covering light years of distance in like no time flat. OTOH, it took humans tens of thousands of years to actually get to Mars.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Mar 17, 2017 17:13:30 GMT
I totally forgot about the quarians, but at least their accent is largely universal (except for the late great Kal'Reegar). Everyone else was set to Space Gypsy. And Morrigan Xen and Loghain one of the other admirals.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 17:14:05 GMT
When I hear Jarun Tann's middle eastern accent, it breaks immersion for me. I immediately think that Kumail Nanjiani was cast for diversity political correct reasons and not because his voice acting was the best for the job. The concept of 'liberal leftist diversity" in most cases is the enemy of immersion.Do you think Natalie Dormer was chosen to play Dr. Lexi to promote "liberal leftist diversity?" Because the British asari stood out to me far more than Tann did. Exactly! How about Lexi with a British accent? We've never seen an asari with a British accent before. No issues with that one? Is that also a liberal leftist issue?
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Post by Hoge on Mar 17, 2017 17:17:31 GMT
Mila Kunis has Russian parents and was born outside the USA, but being she grew up here she has an American accent.
Who's to say Aliens can't "pick up" accents of other Aliens or cultures. Doesn't really bother me. I don't think the voice acting is all that great for Tann but I don't mind the accent.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 17, 2017 17:28:51 GMT
I totally forgot about the quarians, but at least their accent is largely universal (except for the late great Kal'Reegar). Everyone else was set to Space Gypsy. And Morrigan Xen and Loghain one of the other admirals. Right. And then we have some miscellaneous quarians who sound American too. This is all fine, of course. The quarians simply have different accents, presumably varying by ship. But the OP's only bothered by the Iranian?
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Post by flog61 on Mar 17, 2017 17:29:15 GMT
"When I hear Jarun Tann's middle eastern accent, it breaks immersion for me. I immediately think that Kumail Nanjiani was cast for diversity political correct reasons and not because his voice acting was the best for the job. The concept of 'liberal leftist diversity" in most cases is the enemy of immersion."
Smh. These are the people who criticise 'SJWs' for getting offended over everything, and then get offended over the accent of an alien. Desciding with hardly any evidence that it's a 'leftist' conspiracy.
Boot.
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Post by Wulfram on Mar 17, 2017 17:34:37 GMT
Maybe the different accents represent whole different languages that are being translated into english? It would be odd if there's just one "Asari" language.
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Post by nickles on Mar 17, 2017 17:51:10 GMT
Maybe the different accents represent whole different languages that are being translated into english? It would be odd if there's just one "Asari" language. Ehh, while a feasible explanation the Asari are really not a good example of this. They've been a unified culture since long before humanity launched their first rocket, and the fact that they're practical telepaths kind of renders differing languages moot. The only species I could buy this for are the Turians (Given the Unification War and the events which preceded it) or the Krogan. Salarians? Not so much. That's just my opinion based on lore, though. None of the characters having accents really bothers me beyond the initial shock of recognizing it.
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Post by duskwanderer on Mar 17, 2017 18:05:17 GMT
I listened to him more and more, and the voice kinda grew on me. It still sounds like it was recorded in a studio, but I'm becoming more okay with Tann.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 18, 2017 0:28:40 GMT
I like Li, the turian from 20th century Chicago.
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Post by xMissWoox on Mar 18, 2017 0:52:02 GMT
I thought he sounded familiar. He's the greenhouse guy from TellTale's TWD Season 2 isn't he?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 1:07:53 GMT
I thought he sounded familiar. He's the greenhouse guy from TellTale's TWD Season 2 isn't he? Yeah, Reggie.
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Post by themightypanda on Mar 18, 2017 10:26:47 GMT
So that's why Tann sounded weird. I had my eye brows raised the entire time when I first spoke to him. On a note about diversity. I saw an Indian dude in the Nexus, Raj something. What I find strange is that he's the only 1. There were indians in ME1 . Remmember Samash Batia on the Citadel Don't ever recall that O.o.. it was so long ago.
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Post by degrees on Mar 18, 2017 11:32:45 GMT
There were indians in ME1 . Remmember Samash Batia on the Citadel Don't ever recall that O.o.. it was so long ago. He had a Wife who had died, the Alliance refused to release her body. Shepard can help him out.
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Post by themightypanda on Mar 18, 2017 11:50:23 GMT
Don't ever recall that O.o.. it was so long ago. He had a Wife who had died, the Alliance refused to release her body. Shepard can help him out. Yeah I definitely must have missed that.
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Post by cameronlfc on Mar 18, 2017 12:59:58 GMT
I get what you mean, via accents. Its always kinda weird when its almost random, especially when you have been accustomed to a general tone or dialect for a species. A french krogan out of nowhere would be weird. Or a Chinese turian. Nothing wrong with establishing various accents in the aliens, but when you closely associate that with humans only it can be jarring. Does Sur'Kesh have something resembling India? Did Jarun spend a bunch of time in India? There's a level of dissonance when its unexpected, and most games largely using varying accents from the Commonwealth (Australia, UK, North America) for aliens. Now, if you came across a group of Salarians with the accent, it would be different. Your brain would almost go "Oh okay!". But just one makes it stand out as so peculiar. The idea of a Chinese Turian made me laugh so much...
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 18, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
IMO they can have whatever actor they want to the aliens, especially the more eccentric or unique ones for added flavor. Jarun Tann's middle-eastern actor has a certain charisma to him and I always found the cookie-cutter "every race represents this part of humanity" to be counter-immersive. We have TONS of accents and dialects as a species - why shouldn't aliens? I get that this is a genre problem and by adding a middle-eastern voice to Tann or a british voice to Lexi - an Asari, they're messing with the "pulpy space opera" flavor but hey, it's a new start and they even changed the canonical height and anatomy of aliens to a certain degree.
MEA is so rebooty already that I'm already brushing aside the ignored lore. This is more of a reimagining than a sequel.
However, to go a little deeper, I personally find that for turians for example the voice-type is much more important than the accent. Turians almost all sound very gruff, some actors were even directed to have a very edgy tone to their voice just to add the "turian flavor". Jarun Tunn has the high pitch and he also does things with his pitch that feels appropriately Salarian. The only issue I have with his delivery is that likely due to his middle-eastern heritage he does not speak quite as fast as a lot of salarians and he doesn't have that "workaholic" or "speed-thinking" style that almost every other Salarian I can remember had. I think however this is something they'd have gotten right if Edmonton had led development. In Dragon Age and Mass Effect they've previously been very specific about the casting for each species or nationality and Andromeda does strike me as if they tried adding diversity just for the sake of it. Sometimes I think it could pay off but for Tann and Lexi I must admit it's a little distracting. I keep thinking Lexi is just an Asari-human.
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