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Post by luke on Mar 17, 2017 8:07:16 GMT
You can hear the Canadianisms in everything Jennifer Hale and Mark Meer said; you might not have noticed because you may not be familiar with the nuances of North American English accents. I'm talking about Salarians & Salarian culture and sub-races. You're talking about humans. With humans sub-races, culture & accents don't have to be explained since we're human. Well, all of this talk of diversity in alien races is redundant when the voice actor was originally supposed to play a Human. They thought his voice would fit a Salarian better, so they cast him as Tann. As for alien sub-cultures and accents, does it need to be explained? It's possible Tann has an accent in his own language and so that's how it comes out in translation. I find it odd that Quarians seemed to be split in that some had Eastern-European accents and some had American accents, yet nobody complained about that.
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Post by surelyforth on Mar 17, 2017 8:19:15 GMT
I'm talking about Salarians & Salarian culture and sub-races. You're talking about humans. With humans sub-races, culture & accents don't have to be explained since we're human. Well, all of this talk of diversity in alien races is redundant when the voice actor was originally supposed to play a Human. They thought his voice would fit a Salarian better, so they cast him as Tann. As for alien sub-cultures and accents, does it need to be explained? It's possible Tann has an accent in his own language and so that's how it comes out in translation. I find it odd that Quarians seemed to be split in that some had Eastern-European accents and some had American accents, yet nobody complained about that. Since OP singled out Admiral Raan as being immersion-breaking, but doesn't seem to mind that literally none of the other members of the Admiralty Board has the same accent as Tali (never mind Kal "America, fuck yeah" Reegar), I'm guessing he only considers the accents bad and part of the "liberal leftist" agenda of diversity when the VAs are brown.
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Post by luke on Mar 17, 2017 8:32:03 GMT
Well, all of this talk of diversity in alien races is redundant when the voice actor was originally supposed to play a Human. They thought his voice would fit a Salarian better, so they cast him as Tann. As for alien sub-cultures and accents, does it need to be explained? It's possible Tann has an accent in his own language and so that's how it comes out in translation. I find it odd that Quarians seemed to be split in that some had Eastern-European accents and some had American accents, yet nobody complained about that. Since OP singled out Admiral Raan as being immersion-breaking, but doesn't seem to mind that literally none of the other members of the Admiralty Board has the same accent as Tali (never mind Kal "America, fuck yeah" Reegar), I'm guessing he only considers the accents bad and part of the "liberal leftist" agenda of diversity when the VAs are brown. That's exactly the impression I got.
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Post by luzarius on Mar 17, 2017 9:33:41 GMT
Well, all of this talk of diversity in alien races is redundant when the voice actor was originally supposed to play a Human. They thought his voice would fit a Salarian better, so they cast him as Tann. As for alien sub-cultures and accents, does it need to be explained? It's possible Tann has an accent in his own language and so that's how it comes out in translation. I find it odd that Quarians seemed to be split in that some had Eastern-European accents and some had American accents, yet nobody complained about that. Since OP singled out Admiral Raan as being immersion-breaking, but doesn't seem to mind that literally none of the other members of the Admiralty Board has the same accent as Tali (never mind Kal "America, fuck yeah" Reegar), I'm guessing he only considers the accents bad and part of the "liberal leftist" agenda of diversity when the VAs are brown. All I'm saying is different alien accents should be explained as sub-race or sub-cultures within that Alien Race. If the alien speaks differently way out of a norm, it should be explained via lore, that's all I'm saying. Human: "Your accent doesn't sound like the other Salarians." Salarian: "I come from a different part of our planet where our dialects differ." That's its simple. It's about immersion. I'm middle eastern and have no problem with POC voice actors, but I don't want diversity to override the importance of maintaining immersion. I agree, I like having aliens with more accents because it shows that alien race has many sub-cultures. All I ask is it's explained in a fun and interesting way in the lore or by the NPC themselves. Yup, I agree that's he's a poor voice actor for this character.
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Post by vynticator on Mar 17, 2017 9:42:15 GMT
There's a galaxy of voices and accents and looks. I think it's good that MEA is advancing the lore of these races. It's good to see a more reflective Krogan, for instance. Races very within a single nation, across class and region and so on. In ME1-3 there was a tendency towards unrealistic homogeneity, each race was (pretty much) an embodiment of a single human character trait.
I don't find the accents odd, therefore, and didn't think it needed explanation.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 17, 2017 9:43:02 GMT
Oh lulzarious.
How's his skull, though? Is his skull anatomically correct for a male Salarian?
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Post by noviere on Mar 17, 2017 10:10:05 GMT
When I hear Jarun Tann's middle eastern accent, it breaks immersion for me. I immediately think that Kumail Nanjiani was cast for diversity political correct reasons and not because his voice acting was the best for the job. The concept of 'liberal leftist diversity" in most cases is the enemy of immersion.Do you think Natalie Dormer was chosen to play Dr. Lexi to promote "liberal leftist diversity?" Because the British asari stood out to me far more than Tann did.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 17, 2017 10:25:44 GMT
So only humans are allowed to have different accents?
Seriously?
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Post by Ianamus on Mar 17, 2017 10:39:16 GMT
Why does Tann need to specifically state that he comes from a different planet/part of a planet, to explain his accent? Isn't that already incredibly obvious because of his accent?
I live in the UK, where you can literally walk into a neighbouring village or part of your town and hear people speaking with a different accent. Why does it mean he had to live in a completely different region to other Salarians anyway?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 17, 2017 10:44:20 GMT
Why was Miranda the only one with an Australian accent? Why is Suvi the only one (so far) with a Scottish accent? Why was Shepard distinctly Canadian? Why were the Quarians pretty much all over the map when it came to accents? There is reaching for stuff to complain about, then there's this. He's talking about aliens, something Shepard and Miranda aren't. I'm indifferent, OP.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 17, 2017 10:47:01 GMT
Why was Miranda the only one with an Australian accent? Why is Suvi the only one (so far) with a Scottish accent? Why was Shepard distinctly Canadian? Why were the Quarians pretty much all over the map when it came to accents? There is reaching for stuff to complain about, then there's this. He's talking about aliens, something Shepard and Miranda aren't. I'm indifferent, OP. Which is the point, if humans can have accents then so can aliens. It would be extremely weird if we were a special snowflake in this regard.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 17, 2017 10:49:32 GMT
He's talking about aliens, something Shepard and Miranda aren't. I'm indifferent, OP. Which is the point, if humans can have accents then so can aliens. It would be extremely weird if we were a special snowflake in this regard. And then there would be the part where he said Salarians never had accent before, apparently. Which is his whole point. This is a trivia topic regardless, but I understand what he's saying.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 17, 2017 11:09:23 GMT
I really don't have a problem with Salarians having accents. There could have just been Salarians from different parts of their home world or colonies that had accents that we just never met before. Or heck, even if there is no lore-specific reason for the accent, it really wouldn't bother me.
What does bother me is not the accent, but the voice actor. To me, his voice acting just really isn't that good and while I've personally never heard of this guy until I saw him in one of these Andromeda videos, I understand he is apparently an actor on a TV show or something. That's great, I'm sure he's a fine actor, but his voice acting for this game in particular sounds really bad to me.
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Post by R1Outcast on Mar 17, 2017 13:20:30 GMT
Why was Miranda the only one with an Australian accent? Why is Suvi the only one (so far) with a Scottish accent? Why was Shepard distinctly Canadian? Why were the Quarians pretty much all over the map when it came to accents? There is reaching for stuff to complain about, then there's this. This^ Also, I think what might be throwing you off about Tann's voice is the fact that you're familiar with the actual actor, so hearing his voice coming from a Salarian feels a bit off. I feel similarly when I hear Dr. Lexi's voice, since I'm used to hearing that voice actress on Game of Thrones...but then again...her voice is super sexy to me so I don't mind lol.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 17, 2017 13:25:46 GMT
Having a Salarian with an accent is part of some liberal, leftist agenda? Go home, BSN. You're drunk.
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Post by R1Outcast on Mar 17, 2017 13:32:20 GMT
...2. In previous Mass Effect titles you NEVER had to stop and think why the Salarians were speaking english with an accent... I never stopped and thought about it in this ME either. The fact that you do, might mean you have some underlying issues...
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Post by pdusen on Mar 17, 2017 13:43:37 GMT
I have no problem with the accent. I mean, hell, are there any other Salarians in any of the games that talk the way Mordin does?
Mostly I just don't like the actor's performance. Tough to nail down exactly why.
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Post by Missy Mako on Mar 17, 2017 13:52:18 GMT
Human: "Your accent doesn't sound like the other Salarians." Salarian: "I come from a different part of our planet where our dialects differ." That's its simple. It's about immersion. If it is that simple then it's so simple it doesn't need to be said; it's already implied. To be frank, though: we've only scratched the surface of the game. Who's to say he doesn't tell us more about his history later on in the game and he mentions something like this then?
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Post by fialka on Mar 17, 2017 13:56:53 GMT
I don't mind his accent. And the people pointing out Lexi sounding British for no apparent reason have a point - we've never had an asari with a British accent before yet here we are. Again, I'm not bothered, but it seems a double standard is at play here as I've heard no one complain about that. Really, since we're listening to people through translators there's no reason for them to have accents at all. If we're going to talk 'realism' and 'lore.' But, I enjoy the variety. If quarians can have accents that are all over the place, why not have variety among other aliens too? And as for Kesh not sounding like a Krogan - we've only ever heard one other female krogan speak so we don't have much to compare it to, but she reminds me of Bakara even so.
That said... I don't think his VA work here is all that great. Sounds very stiff to me. Nothing to do with the character - his delivery just falls flat at times. I'm almost getting the impression he tried to suppress his accent and it's interfering with his actual acting? In his VA video I feel like his accent is more pronounced. In a game full of stellar performances and great casting, his stands out as a bit weak. It's unfortunate because while I don't know the actor well, I was looking forward to his performance from his VA video. He seems like a pretty funny guy.
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Post by rudelove on Mar 17, 2017 14:38:31 GMT
I've never heard any of the VA for Tann's other work yet he did break immersion for me, it wasn't his accent though (although it is obviously noticeable), just sub par voice acting. Like, compare Kallo and Tann... the voice work for Kallo is top notch.
On the topic of accents however, what about the 'Southern' sounding Turian? (Sorry I'm not American so I don't know the proper accent term) He sounded like a cowboy! Nothing like Turians we've met (correct me if I'm wrong), and we have heard a lot of different sounding Turian accents.
Also, personally, although we've never heard a British asari, I feel like Natalie Dormer suits Lexi.
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Post by midasear on Mar 17, 2017 14:46:20 GMT
I know this makes me a total pervert, but I liked Tann. Both the writing AND the voice acting. The weird combination of enthusiastic colonist, sleazy politician, anti-Krogan racist and anxious-accidental-boss in way over his head seemed spot on.
This is definitely someone my Ryder can manipulate ...hmmm...use work with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
I like different accents in the games (some are pleasant, some are not) and I think there are so many things that can happen to a character that stays off screen that explains why he speaks in a different way, that I don't feel the need for each of them to provide me with a report onto why s/he is different. IRL I dislike it that the moment people hear me they go "I can't quite place your accent, where is it from?" and I would not be as impolite to a character in a game that I need to know that (just like I am also not going to ask a heavy-set person: what did you eat to get so fat or are you from States originally? or attract attention to other visible flaws). If they want to tell me, or if it is an important plot point, I would expect that they will tell me themselves.
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Post by Chobbly on Mar 17, 2017 14:59:00 GMT
I don't mind his accent. And the people pointing out Lexi sounding British for no apparent reason have a point - we've never had an asari with a British accent before yet here we are. Again, I'm not bothered, but it seems a double standard is at play here as I've heard no one complain about that. Really, since we're listening to people through translators there's no reason for them to have accents at all. If we're going to talk 'realism' and 'lore.' But, I enjoy the variety. If quarians can have accents that are all over the place, why not have variety among other aliens too? And as for Kesh not sounding like a Krogan - we've only ever heard one other female krogan speak so we don't have much to compare it to, but she reminds me of Bakara even so. What threw me a bit wasn't the accents but the phrasing of the dialogue and the punctuation. I thought 'why is Tann speaking soooooo slowly?' It's probably me just being used to Mordin (replaying ME3SP up until two days ago) and the way that Tann spoke didn't seem particularly Salarian to me. I'm sure it wasn't this way, but it felt a smidge like the dialogue had been recorded before the race of the character was confirmed. Still really enjoying it though.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 17, 2017 15:00:57 GMT
Tell me why do quarians have slavic accents and some arabic accents?
And slow talking, come on, its not like we havent had that before, remember Kirrahe? Not all salarians speak at the pace of Mordin.
True, the indian guy didnt do as good a job as some actors, like Martin Sheen as TIM, but neither did Marina Sirtis as Benezia in ME1, it was wooden. From what ive looked, he did give of decent enough impression as this sleazy, somewhat speciest, salarian politician.
I really dont fucking care about these little things. This is nitpicking in the worst way.
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