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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 17, 2017 11:14:53 GMT
It's better than the trilogy in almost every way.
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Post by mrjack on Mar 17, 2017 11:25:24 GMT
I'm really annoyed at BW because of a lot of poor choices I think they've made but despite all that, when I started playing I was hooked. Definitely felt like a Mass Effect game and the only game I've felt that rush of excitement for in a long time.
I wasn't even going to play the trial at first because I didn't want to spoil it but then, when more info was released my, expectations fell so low that I was certain it would be shit and I may as well find out ASAP. Well it wasn't shit, it was really good and I wanted more when it finished.
All of the complaints are valid, but it's just they are minor when you take the whole experience into account. It doesn't mean BW should give up trying to fix things but there's so much that's good that you stop noticing the bad.
All that aside though, the trial is actually really short and the first planet (Eos) is apparently one of the least interesting ones until you reach a certain story point which is gated by the trial so even if some people come away unimpressed, it's not a true representation of the whole game.
I wouldn't give it a 10/10 but for me it's at least an 8 and depending on how the rest of the game goes maybe a 9. It's a sequel so it will likely never give you that same magic feeling you had that made you fall in love with the series in the first place but I surprised myself by how excited I was just to be back in the ME world.
TLDR: Just play it FFS and get your money back if you don't like it.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 11:26:16 GMT
I liked DA:I as well, but I want to play a ME game, not DA:I in space I guess every semi open-world is now a DAI clone. The Witcher 3 : Wild Inquisition Deus Ex : Human Inquisition Inquisition Of Mordor. DAI is the new SJW & "Bad Writing." No it's not... Deus Ex wasn't even open world, and Witcher 3 is not even in the same ballpark as MEA, from the far superior tech to the writing. Talk about hyperbole. ...and of course there are many parallels to that other Frostbyte game by BW, one has to be blind to not see them.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 17, 2017 11:34:19 GMT
I guess every semi open-world is now a DAI clone. The Witcher 3 : Wild Inquisition Deus Ex : Human Inquisition Inquisition Of Mordor. DAI is the new SJW & "Bad Writing." No it's not... Deus Ex wasn't even open world, and Witcher 3 is not even in the same ballpark as MEA, from the far superior tech to the writing. Talk about hyperbole. ...and of course there are many parallels to that other Frostbyte game by BW, one has to be blind to not see them. What part of semi open-world you miserably failed to understand? I'm not even talking about writing or whatnot. Read again you silly.
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Post by R1Outcast on Mar 17, 2017 11:37:56 GMT
In my opinion, the game is awesome. It's huge, fun, and has personality. The character creation and facial animations aren't great but they aren't terrible either.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 11:38:26 GMT
No it's not... Deus Ex wasn't even open world, and Witcher 3 is not even in the same ballpark as MEA, from the far superior tech to the writing. Talk about hyperbole. ...and of course there are many parallels to that other Frostbyte game by BW, one has to be blind to not see them. What part of semi open-world you miserably failed to understand? I'm not even talking about writing or whatnot. Read again you silly. DE doesn't even have that, it's called a hub area...
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 17, 2017 11:41:47 GMT
What part of semi open-world you miserably failed to understand? I'm not even talking about writing or whatnot. Read again you silly. DE doesn't even have that, it's called a hub area... Thank you.
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Post by jonsarik on Mar 17, 2017 11:52:45 GMT
Impressions any care to share about the multiplayer portion? Personally, I spent about 2 hours on SP and the rest of the trial on MP (not wanting my story to cut short and have to wait almost a week to continue). So far, I thought the MP portion was a hot mess, despite enjoying it. The rubber banding was atrocious yesterday throughout most of the day. At times it felt like the game would slow down (even 2 minute extraction took about 5 min). Other games it was impossible to traverse across rooms or get over obstacles - we kept snapping back into our starting position. Completing tasks like disarming were a chore as timer kept pausing or resetting. I also found myself having a harder time trying to locate some of the mission icons on my screen but that could just be a symptom of my own age (not a young whippersnapper anymore). The UI during mission loadout took some adjusting too from ME3 (as well as some game play, but that's just a matter of getting used to new style).
All said, I think the play can be as addicting as ME3's, but they have a lot of net code that needs to be addressed/optimized. If this was Ubisoft, I feel Bioware would have been skewered a lot more viciously for this release than they are being now. The play is fun, but not ready for prime time. If your impression is different, by all means please share!
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 17, 2017 12:04:20 GMT
In short, yes it is really that bad.
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 17, 2017 12:06:54 GMT
Yes it is bad. But the thing is whilst the most talked about aspect, the animations, although they are indeed awful and immersion breaking, are actually hardly the worst of the game's problems imo. To me this game is a mess in many more aspects, apsects that greatly effect ones enjoyment and matter far more than the facial animations. You've got to contend with...
.Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing.
.Badly delivered, stilted dialogue.
.Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. (Personal Thoughts: It all feels just feels a bit old hat imo. I was thinking whilst watching and now having played it myself.. Why even bother going to Andromeda to begin with then if its just the same shit we've been there and done that and got the t-shirt etc?. The same shit but only not as interesting because the characters are nowhere near as compelling. Of course we know why we're going there, but it all just feels a bit pointless to me. There's no good reason for the game to even be set here, and then they fail to actually take advantage of this new setting any way).
.Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away
.Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief
.Poor world building
.MMO style fetch quests
.Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own
.Broken AI
.Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc
The most damning thing for me though is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure, and that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2, Fallout: New Vegas and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough.
And tbh this is no longer Mass Effect to me, its something else entirely at this point. And its no longer something i find myself liking either. This will be a wait till its cheap buy for me. Im still gonna play at somepoint though, as large scale science fiction rpgs are not exactly in abundance but i wont be rushing out to buy it. I just have to admit that these games are not for me or my tastes anymore. Im not the audience Bioware/EA are aiming for and want with Mass Effect Andromeda.
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Post by goishen on Mar 17, 2017 12:13:56 GMT
Yes it is bad. But the thing is whilst the most taled about aspect, the animations, although they are indeed awful and immersion breaking, are actually hardly the worst of the game's problems imo. To me this game is a mess in many more aspects, apsects that greatly effect ones enjoyment and matter far more than the facial animations. You've got to contend with... .Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing.
.Badly delivered, stilted dialogue.
.Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off setting with this large a scope. (Personal Thoughts: It all feels just feels a bit old hat imo. I was thinking whilst watching and now having played it myself.. Why even bother going to Andromeda to begin with then if its just the same shit we've been there and down and got the t-shirt etc?. The same shit but only not as interesting because the characters are nowhere near as compelling. Of course we know why we're going there, but it all just feels a bit pointless to me).
.Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away
.Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief
.Poor world building
.MMO style fetch quests
.Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own
.Broken AI
.Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc The most damning thing for me though is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure, and that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2 and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough. And tbh this is no longer Mass Effect to me, its something else entirely at this point. And its no longer something i find myself liking either. This will be a wait till its cheap buy for me. Im still gonna play at somepoint though, as large scale science fiction rpgs are not exactly in abundance but i wont be rushing out to buy it. I just have to admit that these games are not for me or my tastes anymore. Im not the audience Bioware/EA are aiming for and want with Mass Effect Andromeda. This x 1000. And this.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 12:14:07 GMT
And tbh this is no longer Mass Effect to me, its something else entirely at this point. And its no longer something i find myself liking either. This will be a wait till its cheap buy for me. Im still gonna play at somepoint though, as large scale science fiction rpgs are not exactly in abundance but i wont be rushing out to buy it. I just have to admit that these games are not for me or my tastes anymore. Im not the audience Bioware/EA are aiming for and want with Mass Effect Andromeda. I have exactly the same feeling... while I did buy it, it will be my last RPG from BW, if that's the new standard. DAI had problems too, but it still was by and large a solid RPG, MEA is... something else. As much of what Hollywood cranks out these days, this game is a heartless and brainless mass product. Ridley Scott to Micheal Bay, if you will.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 17, 2017 12:21:33 GMT
It's better than the trilogy in almost every way.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 12:23:14 GMT
You guys wouldn't know a good game if it bit you in the ass.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 12:25:13 GMT
You guys wouldn't know a good game if it bit you in the ass. Sure, but the MEA characters aren't even animated well enough to DO a bite... well, except maybe Sara, that frog mouth could bite your head clean off.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 12:27:18 GMT
You guys wouldn't know a good game if it bit you in the ass. Sure, but the MEA characters aren't even animated well enough to DO a bite... Pretty sure games don't animate bites to begin with.
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Post by Thalandor on Mar 17, 2017 12:30:32 GMT
I will play the free trial over the weekend to make my opinion, but from what I've read so far it seems this is a rush job with meh story and bad user interfaces that I've come to hate from Bioware. I will probably cancel my pre-order of the Deluxe edition and wait for it to hit the bargain bin.
I'm sorry but I do not pay for half baked goods and companies that don't learn and improve on flaws of past games.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 12:38:24 GMT
I will play the free trial over the weekend to make my opinion, but from what I've read so far it seems this is a rush job with meh story and bad user interfaces that I've come to hate from Bioware. I will probably cancel my pre-order of the Deluxe edition and wait for it to hit the bargain bin. I'm sorry but I do not pay for half baked goods and companies that don't learn and improve on flaws of past games. And here we have a person that enters the game with negative bias and will probably exaggerate how much he disliked some parts of the game to reinforce that negative opinion he started with.
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Post by bigbad on Mar 17, 2017 12:39:56 GMT
The spoiler free reviews at the top of the board are probably the best place to look. Basically, there are some glaring flaws... apppears unoptimized for PC.... My experience contradicts this bolded bit above. I'm playing on below minimum specs and it looks and runs great.
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Post by R1Outcast on Mar 17, 2017 12:40:16 GMT
And tbh this is no longer Mass Effect to me, its something else entirely at this point. And its no longer something i find myself liking either. This will be a wait till its cheap buy for me. Im still gonna play at somepoint though, as large scale science fiction rpgs are not exactly in abundance but i wont be rushing out to buy it. I just have to admit that these games are not for me or my tastes anymore. Im not the audience Bioware/EA are aiming for and want with Mass Effect Andromeda. I have exactly the same feeling... while I did buy it, it will be my last RPG from BW, if that's the new standard. DAI had problems too, but it still was by and large a solid RPG, MEA is... something else. As much of what Hollywood cranks out these days, this game is a heartless and brainless mass product. Ridley Scott to Micheal Bay, if you will. I really think people are being way too harsh considering we only got to play the prologue. We've only seen like 1-5% of what the game has to offer. I, for one, really enjoyed my 10 hours of playtime.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 12:42:06 GMT
Not sure how you can say poor character writing when EA Origins Access barely covers the beginning of the game. The introductions of drack and Vetra were better than most in any of the old games. There's so much more life to them. You knew there would be two worlds as deserts. Eledin is the other. We knew it was open word exploration similar to DA:I but even bigger. Animations we can agree on. Everything else seems pretty baseless which is what I'm seeing from most of the negative previews And opening is fine. Would you really want them to start the RPG elements after playing the game for hours? What did you expect? Another Assassins Creed 3 with an 8 hour prologue? Ah because some people just don't understand that writing is not catered to their own personal tastes. People who don't like quick-paced introductions are going to call this "bad writing". Just expect it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 12:54:16 GMT
I played 5 hours. The start, prologue planet, initial talkyness (I'm trying to stay away from anything remotely spoilery). I didn't start the Tempest and the bigger planet part of the trial, but I feel pretty confident I nearly completely covered everything you could do before that. No, its not that bad. But it nearly proves to me that I won't consider the game a 10/10. But I'm not sure if I'd even give any previous ME game a 10/10. Maybe ME2? Sorta? Bioware games never scream perfection to me, yet still get to be on my favorites list. Of the content I did so far, it was at least a 7/10. So it was good, but not the most compelling. There's the potential for the full game to be at least a 8/10, and that's with all warts considered. I hope it gets that potential, but also more that really rocks my world, so I can consider it around a 9/10 and just have a blast overall. The CC is disappointing and I want a fix and expansion to it. The animation is in a bizarre state of sometimes better than ever, while often stuck in the past or downright gross. I'm close to insisting on a major patch that focuses just on this. It'd help the state of the game in the long run (mixed with DLC, in a collection-pack version). The writing is... good but bad but intriguing but spotty? I could use so many words, good and bad, to describe it so far. There is potential for something I'll really love (even if I end up yawning at the structure of main plot), or it could be the most boring filler of a Bioware game in a series, ever. Characters may end up being the most generally endearing (or fascinating, etc) in a single BW game ever or in a long time, or they could be a sad attempt at doing a full-game version of Citadel DLC fanservice. There's too much unknown, so I can just tell you, its almost certainly not what I'd ever call a 6/10 and I am very sure that I won't call it a 10/10. It'll be good to great. How great will depend on how much faults get minimized/fixed over playtime/patches, and it'll depend in how the journey progresses and ends. There's plenty of nice things to see here. Oh and something came to mind - I like the scanner so far, and all the NPCs everywhere, and just the sense of 'place' that is happening. It may not be employed the best, but its there and it feels much expanded on from the trilogy. It makes me lament the idea of the Milky Way treatment never getting this sort of expansion. If I'm being honest, I wouldn't give any previous ME game even a solid 9, and the highest one I'd rank is ME3 for its better focus and superior gameplay (ME2 would be lowest of the 3 for a number of reasons). I'm looking forward to seeing how this game actually compares in its entirety to either of those. I can deal with some spotty animation and corny lines in a game as big as this. My main worry is having any real problems that could make the game less bearable, like crashing too frequently. To this day, ME1 still does that to me, just not often enough to break the game for me.
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Post by christsuperstar on Mar 17, 2017 12:55:24 GMT
I really hate the quality of the animations, it's weird CD Projekt red could get animations on NPCs "right", and BioWare couldn't... I'm thinking maybe the need for a CC is partly to blame... Though, BioWare's forte has never been animations, at all - but they really should send their animators to CD Projekt red, for a few months - for educative purposes. Still not cancelling my preorder though.
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Post by goishen on Mar 17, 2017 13:02:41 GMT
For me, it all comes back to the writing. If it's good. Great. If it's bad, it's not going to get any better.
And this shit is bad. VERY bad. Like, 12 year old fan fic bad. And I'm not talking corny, which I would consider to be bland. I mean, just bad. As in horrid writing.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 13:13:36 GMT
For me, it all comes back to the writing. If it's good. Great. If it's bad, it's not going to get any better. And this shit is bad. VERY bad. Like, 12 year old fan fic bad. And I'm not talking corny, which I would consider to be bland. I mean, just bad. As in horrid writing. Which had to be expected with a company that looses actual writers left and right, and fills up it's ranks with ideologs and - well - fanfic writers...
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