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Post by bizantura on Mar 17, 2017 13:43:54 GMT
I really hate the quality of the animations, it's weird CD Projekt red could get animations on NPCs "right", and BioWare couldn't... I'm thinking maybe the need for a CC is partly to blame... Though, BioWare's forte has never been animations, at all - but they really should send their animators to CD Projekt red, for a few months - for educative purposes. Still not cancelling my preorder though. I am always amazed reading of CD Projets "good" animations. It is not, it is bad in fact but they mask it very well in the way they make their cutscenes, I grant them that. I am not a fan of copying and rather want different developpers to be unique than making all the same games.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 13:55:54 GMT
I really hate the quality of the animations, it's weird CD Projekt red could get animations on NPCs "right", and BioWare couldn't... I'm thinking maybe the need for a CC is partly to blame... Though, BioWare's forte has never been animations, at all - but they really should send their animators to CD Projekt red, for a few months - for educative purposes. Still not cancelling my preorder though. I am always amazed reading of CD Projets "good" animations. It is not, it is bad in fact but they mask it very well in the way they make their cutscenes, I grant them that. I am not a fan of copying and rather want different developpers to be unique than making all the same games. There is tastes and there is technical skill... Wicher 3's faces might be stylized, but they undeniably well done from a technical standpoint. MEA's are not.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 17, 2017 13:57:45 GMT
I am always amazed reading of CD Projets "good" animations. It is not, it is bad in fact but they mask it very well in the way they make their cutscenes, I grant them that. I am not a fan of copying and rather want different developpers to be unique than making all the same games. There is tastes and there is technical skill... Wicher 3's faces might be stylized, but they undeniably well done from a technical standpoint. MEA's are not. You clearly haven't paid attention to all the same face minor NPCs in TW3.
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Post by Thalandor on Mar 17, 2017 13:58:09 GMT
I will play the free trial over the weekend to make my opinion, but from what I've read so far it seems this is a rush job with meh story and bad user interfaces that I've come to hate from Bioware. I will probably cancel my pre-order of the Deluxe edition and wait for it to hit the bargain bin. I'm sorry but I do not pay for half baked goods and companies that don't learn and improve on flaws of past games. And here we have a person that enters the game with negative bias and will probably exaggerate how much he disliked some parts of the game to reinforce that negative opinion he started with. I have negative bias now, no way to avoid it if you read these forums or any other social media. But I will not exagerate anything, I will make my own opinion. If anything, since I now expect something really bad, I could be easily impressed and end up liking it. It's much better this way than walking in expecting the best game ever and being dissapointed and walking out with a bad impression.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Mar 17, 2017 13:59:46 GMT
I have negative bias now, no way to avoid it if you read these forums or any other social media. But I will not exagerate anything, I will make my own opinion. If anything, since I now expect something really bad, I could be easily impressed and end up liking it. It's much better this way than walking in expecting the best game ever and being dissapointed and walking out with a bad impression. That's one way to look at it, but it's easier said than done. I think it's better to walk in not expecting anything.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 17, 2017 14:00:02 GMT
There is tastes and there is technical skill... Wicher 3's faces might be stylized, but they undeniably well done from a technical standpoint. MEA's are not. You clearly haven't paid attention to all the same face minor NPCs in TW3. I did, I clocked more then 250 hours in TW3... and they are still reasonably well done, considering they are procedurally generated. We also aren't even talking about nameless NPCs here... those are not the issue with MEA either.
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Post by derrame on Mar 17, 2017 14:09:11 GMT
this is the best and most objective review
the game is great in every way, but the facial and walking animations of humans and asari are terribly bad and some bugs
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 14:26:10 GMT
I don't think it great in every way, the characters are uninspired and honestly not that different from each other, much of the expository writing and banter is just bad
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Post by bizantura on Mar 17, 2017 14:32:08 GMT
You clearly haven't paid attention to all the same face minor NPCs in TW3. I did, I clocked more then 250 hours in TW3... and they are still reasonably well done, considering they are procedurally generated. We also aren't even talking about nameless NPCs here... those are not the issue with MEA either. For me, the big difference between the 2 developers is that Bioware is glaring in your face how bad the animation can be. You can't miss it. In the Witcher 3 for instance, you have to be attentive to even see that the animation isn't that great. If you call that technical skill then I agree.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 17, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
There is tastes and there is technical skill... Wicher 3's faces might be stylized, but they undeniably well done from a technical standpoint. MEA's are not. You clearly haven't paid attention to all the same face minor NPCs in TW3. Minor NPC in TW3 vs Major PC in MEA. vs. I'm currently stunned by Bioware's 2017 technical capacity.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Mar 17, 2017 14:38:11 GMT
I normally completely ignore other people's opinions because there are too many salty retards in the gaming scene. I've preordered the deluxe edition, have NOT touched early access and have NOT watched any streams or vids aside from official gameplay ones released by EA/Bioware. BUT - I'm hearing A LOT of negative feedback pretty much across the board. Due to personal reasons, I'm not feeling much excitement in general so I don't have high expectations, deciding to make up my mind after I play it myself. So, hit me. What's wrong with Andromeda? Try to keep it all legible. Spare me the spoilers and keep it simple. I think you should have just stuck to your normal policy. Try it out for yourself and make your own decision.
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Post by elmike2k17 on Mar 17, 2017 14:39:58 GMT
I'm 4 hours into the game and I think its good. Is the CC and facial expressions bad?...maybe but IMO its not that big of a deal, but for the amount of time they had to make the game and the current tech available, bioware dropped the ball on character animations.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 17, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
I'm 4 hours into the game and I think its good. Is the CC and facial expressions bad?...maybe but IMO its not that big of a deal, but for the amount of time they had to make the game and the current tech available, bioware dropped the ball on character animations. Considering this is an EA product, 5-years development timeframe usually translates into 3.5 years marketing and hyping plus 1.5 years of actual development. Given the current state of MEA, it still needs extra 1.5-2 years to be considered as suitable for distribution from a quality control perspective.
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Post by somedude on Mar 17, 2017 14:55:25 GMT
It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 17, 2017 15:02:44 GMT
I normally completely ignore other people's opinions because there are too many salty retards in the gaming scene. I've preordered the deluxe edition, have NOT touched early access and have NOT watched any streams or vids aside from official gameplay ones released by EA/Bioware. BUT - I'm hearing A LOT of negative feedback pretty much across the board. Due to personal reasons, I'm not feeling much excitement in general so I don't have high expectations, deciding to make up my mind after I play it myself. So, hit me. What's wrong with Andromeda? Try to keep it all legible. Spare me the spoilers and keep it simple. I think you should have just stuck to your normal policy. Try it out for yourself and make your own decision. It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m66ibf7uDj1qk12n6.gif
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Post by fialka on Mar 17, 2017 15:20:35 GMT
It's interesting that the people going on about how terrible the game is are the same posters who were pretty much bashing it and expecting it to fail back when we barely knew anything about the game. Make of that what you will.
Is the game perfect? No. The character creator is super limiting, though you can make a good looking character in very little time. That would be my one big gripe. And the lack of manual saves during the prologue. Maybe it's not so bad later? They should fix it, all the same. All my other criticisms are minor nitpicks, really. Areas where things can improve. But I have those for literally every game I've ever played, even my favorite ones. And I'm confident that with the devs being receptive to fan feedback, many of my critiques will be addressed in patches. The facial animation really isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Some goofy faces here and there, but I can ignore it. The cut-scenes are fantastic otherwise.
That said. I love it so far, and am having a blast playing it. I swore I'd pace myself through the Access trial but am finding it a real challenge. The environments, the characters, the dialogue, the story... There's something about it that reminds me a lot of ME1. The pacing is slower than ME2 and 3, but I appreciate the fact that the plot is taking its time to unfold instead of hitting you with it immediately. There's this sense of tension and mystery. Like, I don't have all the answers, and I'm not sure what'll happen next. The story so far might not be the most original, but to me it's all about the experience. And I like it. As I said, reminds me of ME1. Except the squad and my character have a lot more to say - they feel like real people reacting to the events instead of silent bodies moving through the game.
As for the DAI comparisons - yeah, the environments, maybe? But I already feel like they're more interesting and there's more to find. And there's all that squad banter to keep you entertained as you're wandering around. And the resource gathering doesn't feel grind-y to me. Not yet anyway. Seems there's lots of avenues to get the stuff you need, so you don't have to waste your time doing that one thing you hate if you don't want to.
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Post by Hoge on Mar 17, 2017 15:24:24 GMT
The facial animation and eyes are terrible, worse than the OT, the character creator is stripped and minimal....
with that said, after I hit the cap I audibly shouted "DAMN IT!". I really wanted to continue! So, looking forward to Tuesday!
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Post by midasear on Mar 17, 2017 15:26:52 GMT
It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment".
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Post by Steelcan on Mar 17, 2017 15:32:10 GMT
It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". and anyone who finds a fault is a 100% guaranteed troll who just hates BioWare
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Post by somedude on Mar 17, 2017 15:42:11 GMT
It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". It's dumbed down yet it is deeper in RPG elements than the last two games and maybe even the first. That doesn't make much sense.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 17, 2017 15:43:40 GMT
It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". Kek, high art. U so crazeh
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 17, 2017 15:52:16 GMT
OP, it's not that bad: in fact I find it rather great. Play it yourself, then make up your mind: don't let the naysayers mess with you, you might be like me! (aka really dig the game). It's pretty obvious some people still hold a grudge towards Bioware. Don't believe the hate, the game is very good. Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". Edit: just realised you were being sarcastic *redact hate* lol.
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Post by midasear on Mar 17, 2017 15:53:44 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". and anyone who finds a fault is a 100% guaranteed troll who just hates BioWare Uhh....not really seeing much of that. At least not at BSN. I'm not reading a lot of firm rejection of the complaints people are making about the animations or the CC. People _are_ pushing back about bit about the quality of the writing, but that's to be expected. Different people have wildly different tastes when it comes to story. And a lot of people's feelz (mine included) about the trilogy story are sufficiently intense that they are unlikely to give a new story with new characters a genuinely fair shake. The complaints about the trial and the trailer footage, on the other hand, do come across as completely over the top. Sometimes they border on nonsense. Its almost like the complainers are less angry about whats in front of them than about...something else. Having traveled past Marauder Shields fairly recently, I understand that anger. But I've decided that after five years its time to let go and forgive.
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Post by midasear on Mar 17, 2017 15:56:11 GMT
Mass Effect Andromeda is just as obviously and completely terrible in all respects as JJ Abrams Star Trek and Star Wars films. Anyone who likes anything about any of them is a terrible, mindless fanboi who completely fails to understand what makes the originals perfect masterpieces. Its utterly disgusting that completely original examples of sophisticated high art are being succeded by dumbed-down pop culture pieces aimed at seducing a mass audience with low-brow concerns like "fun" and "entertainment". It's dumbed down yet it is deeper in RPG elements than the last two games and maybe even the first. That doesn't make much sense. Yet again, I have forgotten that Internet + Sarcasm is always a bad idea. I was trying to be humorous.
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Post by somedude on Mar 17, 2017 16:06:35 GMT
It's dumbed down yet it is deeper in RPG elements than the last two games and maybe even the first. That doesn't make much sense. Yet again, I have forgotten that Internet + Sarcasm is always a bad idea. I was trying to be humorous. Oh I wasn't quite sure.
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