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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 3:38:57 GMT
So, as some of you probably know there's another controversy about this game . Comes with being a sequel to Mass Effect 3 I think. Apparently a lot of so-called KotakuInAction'ers are attacking a former EA employee on twitter with hate and sexually derogatory crap because she revealed herself to be the "Lead Facial Animator" for Andromeda. This is actually true according to her Linkedin, but her Twitter info was out of date. She left Montreal and EA in Feburary 2016. Her other credentials makes it seem like she's professional actually. So she's not responsible for making crap animations. I think what happened is that she left and BioWare's had to compensate ever since, but it's just a guess based on what I saw on Linkedin and what I read up on the controversy. But do me or BioWare a favor and don't jump on this bandwagon please. I aim to inform you of this whilist clearing the air for misconceptions, hopefully, because it seems there's plenty of them right now including some very transparent damage control. For safety reasons I'm not linking to her profile but there's plenty of info about this shit elsewhere. Whatever you do, don't tweet crappy things.
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Post by Realguile on Mar 19, 2017 3:43:15 GMT
This developers fandom is embarrassing.
God damn.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 19, 2017 3:45:36 GMT
Frostbite isn't the best game for facial animations, and animations in general are hard unless you're using mocap, which a lot of larger companies do nowadays.
Honestly I think everyone's freaking out too much about it. I come from the era of square boobs and flat faces.
I'll make fun of the animating errors or the seemingly low quality, and i do expect better quality in the future, but as long as we don't get a repeat of Unity's 'missing faces', I'm good.
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Post by kaind on Mar 19, 2017 3:47:59 GMT
That ''insert sexually deragority term''! It's all her fault!
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 3:48:04 GMT
Everytime I drive by the "KotakuInAction" GamerGate thing on Reddit I can feel my whole body curling up in cringe. They best rename that shit to "DisingenousDetectives" but for what it's worth they do dig up good info. Too bad they all use it to make hiveminded threats or e-assaults. In honor of my new name I should also say I have a feeling, that is I "guess", this is some of her work But I can't be sure and it's all baseless speculation. But it would explain why the game goes from having really well animated "gestures" to really puzzling, half-done, scrambled eye expressions in every other scene. Who knows!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2017 3:49:18 GMT
Bioware already made a statement about this hours ago. Its on their twitter, and in our twitter thread. She was attacked quite viciously by some people because of her supposed work on Mass Effect Andromeda. Polygon and Kotaku also wrote articles on this. Still refrain from being a dick, though this should go without saying.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2017 3:52:48 GMT
A few things on this.
One, Ethan Ralph is a cunt.
Two, he didn't do his homework correctly, and has doubled down on the justification for his work.
So honestly, he is perpeuating a witch hunt. Polygon and Kotkau picked up on it and bashed him down, in the process dragging that hashtag into the mix because Ralph has been GG supported for a while now.
This is basically the Jennifer Hepler thing all over again, and just more proof some folks had axes to grind.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 3:54:10 GMT
My stance is that there is a problem with journalism the way it has been cultivized in gaming, and it's even worse in my own country's game journalism just comparing their article quality, the bias, the advertisement to actual journalism that isn't about gaming or multi-subject journalism that covers gaming as part of a bigger agenda, it's something that needed to be called into action (or whatever the flying fuck it means) but just not in this way. I know half of the GG crowd are just B-tards who jumped on an opportunity-bandwagon for mayhem and the real GG'ers just shot themselves in the foot by starting something akin to anarchy... oh well, I've said enough, but really, there's so much bullshit involved with everthing KIA is, let alone the entire gamergate fiasco.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Mar 19, 2017 3:55:02 GMT
Disgusting behaviour and to be honest, expected since so many fucktards are fanning the flames with this shit. If you've jumped on the hate bandwagon and revelled in exciting the riot, you human, you are a blight on galactic purity!
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 19, 2017 3:59:28 GMT
Wasn't this the Ralph Retort responsible for singling her out? I'm pretty sure he isn't on good terms with KIA.
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Post by yisusderivia on Mar 19, 2017 3:59:46 GMT
Sad , people dont know at what point does a graphic engine limits you.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2017 4:01:16 GMT
Wasn't this the Ralph Retort responsible for singling her out? I'm pretty sure he isn't on good terms with KIA. He isen't, but he was also a major supporter of GamerGate early on and has sort of channeled to into his own hardcore group of followers. GG is not responsible for this one, but I shed no tears for them anyway since they created the monster and let it run amok.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 19, 2017 4:04:39 GMT
Wasn't this the Ralph Retort responsible for singling her out? I'm pretty sure he isn't on good terms with KIA. He isen't, but he was also a major supporter of GamerGate early on and has sort of channeled to into his own hardcore group of followers. GG is not responsible for this one, but I shed no tears for them anyway since they created the monster and let it run amok. About half of GG has always hated him. Like GG is dead (for real this time) I don't care about them being blamed for everything it's just funny but lets not remove the focus from Ralph. Make sure you don't make fun of him on twitter tho, he'll block you! He's blocked me like three times for this, idk why he keeps unblocking me only to block me again but it's very hilarious.
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Post by hathur on Mar 19, 2017 4:06:42 GMT
Frostbite isn't the best game for facial animations, and animations in general are hard unless you're using mocap, which a lot of larger companies do nowadays. Honestly I think everyone's freaking out too much about it. I come from the era of square boobs and flat faces. I'll make fun of the animating errors or the seemingly low quality, and i do expect better quality in the future, but as long as we don't get a repeat of Unity's 'missing faces', I'm good. The problem is they are likely using a rudimentary toolset for facial animations.. they didn't invest software engineering resources into making a smart animation toolset. This likely means that animators had to very much work by hand or simply let their basic tools try their best to sort out facial animations. CD Projekt Red (witcher 3), spent a few years on software engineering just for the animation toolset.. this is why they could create natural, smooth looking animations on the fly and with tremendous ease with only a few animators - the toolset was well designed and didn't need a lot of hand-holding by the animator. Mass Effect 1 actually also used a third-party facial animation toolset at the time, which was separate from the Unreal 3 engine (it was integrated into it after the fact by Bioware). The toolset, which Bioware bought or licensed, did a lot of the heavy lifting in facial animations for the trilogy - they simply had to tweak and build upon it.. but they didn't have to invest years developing their own animation toolset. Clearly the Frostbite engine does not have a third-party toolset that can do this the way Unreal 3 could (either that or Bioware didn't license / buy it). Though it does beg the question why facial animations are noticeably better in DAI than Andromeda despite both using Frostbite. Suffice to say, software engineering and animation toolset creation is a very low priority for Bioware.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 4:09:29 GMT
Wasn't this the Ralph Retort responsible for singling her out? I'm pretty sure he isn't on good terms with KIA. I guess but they're making a big deal out of the issue at KIA because BioWare took posted that image, and dunno but I think all the related tweets on her feed has been removed.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 19, 2017 4:10:06 GMT
People don't surprise me anymore. They will attack anyone and anything for the smallest reasons.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 19, 2017 4:10:57 GMT
People don't surprise me anymore. They will attack anyone and anything for the smallest reasons. Either the internet truly brings out the worst in people, or it simply brings out the worst people.
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Post by stealthfox94 on Mar 19, 2017 4:13:35 GMT
This is disgraceful.
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Post by kino on Mar 19, 2017 4:14:10 GMT
Whaaaat?! A subset of gamers freaked out over something that turned out to be nothing? Say it's not so. /s
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Post by isaidlunch on Mar 19, 2017 4:14:19 GMT
A few things on this. One, Ethan Ralph is a cunt. Two, he didn't do his homework correctly, and has doubled down on the justification for his work. So honestly, he is perpeuating a witch hunt. Polygon and Kotkau picked up on it and bashed him down, in the process dragging that hashtag into the mix because Ralph has been GG supported for a while now. This is basically the Jennifer Hepler thing all over again, and just more proof some folks had axes to grind. I really wish this hadn't been turned into a witchhunt, but he actually is right about her position. Her twitter bio literally said "Lead Facial Animator for Mass Effect: Andromeda". Was she around long enough to be responsible for the animations we see in the game? Who knows. If she deserves any crap than it should come from her employers, not the internet at large. Now all the complaints about facial animation are going to be ruined by gamergate tier garbage.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 19, 2017 4:15:54 GMT
A few things on this. One, Ethan Ralph is a cunt. Two, he didn't do his homework correctly, and has doubled down on the justification for his work. So honestly, he is perpeuating a witch hunt. Polygon and Kotkau picked up on it and bashed him down, in the process dragging that hashtag into the mix because Ralph has been GG supported for a while now. This is basically the Jennifer Hepler thing all over again, and just more proof some folks had axes to grind. I really wish this hadn't been turned into a witchhunt, but he actually is right about her position. Her twitter bio literally said "Lead Facial Animator for Mass Effect: Andromeda". Was she around long enough to be responsible for the animations we see in the game? Who knows. If she deserves any crap than it should come from her employers, not the internet at large. Now all the complains about facial animation are going to be ruined by gamergate tier garbage. Problem is, Lead Facial Animator is often more than one person. It's usually a team. A director often sounds off on final decisions, not a lead animator. If were to really start blaming people for things, blame BioWare as a team for doing a mediocre job, not one person who you think is not qualified. That is where the witch hunt stuff becomes a problem. It doesn't matter if hes right about the position or not, he still should have did his homework and not imply she got the job because of her sex, which he did in his article. That is yellow journalism.
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Post by bryanky5 on Mar 19, 2017 4:16:44 GMT
Some people need to get a life really..
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 19, 2017 4:17:11 GMT
Wasn't this the Ralph Retort responsible for singling her out? I'm pretty sure he isn't on good terms with KIA. I guess but they're making a big deal out of the issue at KIA because BioWare took posted that image, and dunno but I think all the related tweets on her feed has been removed. I'm not saying they aren't involved. I don't ever look at KIA but I remember a lot of drama over them kicking people off and dissociating with people over harassment. Maybe they have changed since then I don't know. They also hate Ralph because well he's an asshole who goes after people personally like this all the time.
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Post by Hier0phant on Mar 19, 2017 4:25:02 GMT
My stance is that there is a problem with journalism the way it has been cultivized in gaming, and it's even worse in my own country's game journalism just comparing their article quality, the bias, the advertisement to actual journalism that isn't about gaming or multi-subject journalism that covers gaming as part of a bigger agenda, it's something that needed to be called into action (or whatever the flying fuck it means) but just not in this way. I know half of the GG crowd are just B-tards who jumped on an opportunity-bandwagon for mayhem and the real GG'ers just shot themselves in the foot by starting something akin to anarchy... oh well, I've said enough, but really, there's so much bullshit involved with everthing KIA is, let alone the entire gamergate fiasco. GG was a short lived consumer revolt with no staying power, whose corpse is continually reanimated by their political enemies in order to serve as a Scooby Dooesque boogeyman for their clickbait articles, while KIA are Reddit boy scouts who have been irrelevant for years now. Those clowns who are harassing that former Bio employee are reminiscent of the ones who attacked Hepler and seem like lone wolves .
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