Welp, I guess we know what's up with the animations now

Not this bullshit again. One is a very short linear shooter, the other a sprawling RPG with tons of characters.

Maybe Frostbite doesn't have tools that get you good results rather quickly, which is what one needs in a game like MEA. But then i ask, why didn't they invest in such tools? It's just too bad, this whole situation...

It's a fact of life, happens everywhere. Basic financial and project management says it can't be done.

MET and DA2 didn't have excellent facial expressions. There were cases of creepy wide smile Shepard in MET and Hawke in DA2 too. 

From all the footage I've seen of MEA, what I've seen is the exact same stock facial animations that BioWare have been re-using since ME1 (minus the especially mocapped ones which they are few off). And I'm talking about the animations, not the uncanny valley effect that results from the eyes lacking shadows and the lightning in the game causing light colors to pop like neons. Form the looks of the complains (like the peebee gifs in this thread, which by the way isn't even in sync), many people can't make the difference between model appearance and movements.

It already has been ruined.  Go to any youtube video that talks about it, and the comments (yeah, I know, I know) inevitably seem to include numerous suggestions that this is what you get when you hire minorities.  I'm not even joking.  These assholes are vile.

To please most of them: Yes. To make the best product we can within a budget? Yes. But reality iis you've to compromise because your work is dictated by profit margin. If not? You work in a society that doesn't ccare bout profit or in a niche business where concurence and rivaliity is low. 

Edit: If i were as condescendant as you are i'ld have tell you that obviously you've no idea how business works and you' probably a low/midddle man doing his best in his department and doing what he is told. Maybe your department aims for excellence where an other one is aiming for profit. But i'm not like you. I'm not trashing others to make me feel special. 

It's the cost/quality/time triangle. Can't have all 3.

Impressive CV. Congratz

But 2 things:

First you've made some work in the electrical department where security and safety has to be top notch, that is granted that money shouldn't be a problem there. 

Second: This is really what i was talking about. This isn't your dept that would suffer budget cuts. Costumes, actor quality, number of reshoots, script dept etc. 

At last, this is what i call a "niche business". This isn't a market reacting the same as most. Granted that money and budget are important but TV shows and movies can be associated with art... Art shouldn't be about money but about quality and craftmanship. I am happy you're able to have a work where they let do the best you can on every project you're working on. But in regular business (from services to fridge conception) profit margin comes first. Your business acts more like luxury shops and markets which is good for you but not really relevant for most. 

Well, I am sorry but I was waiting for this post.

You don't know much about TV/film, but I do. The single most expensive department in production, after casting, is electric. We are the target of endless cuts in our budget, some that really make us bend anf stretch to work around. Over 25% of the budget of any movie is spent on lighting. That is why the expression goes like this: "LIGHTS, camera, action!"

Sigh. 

Look, I'm super unhappy about the CC and facial animations, but to go and attack people? How the fuck is that going to help anyone? I don't care if it's a woman or a man, or whatever, there's no need to send death threats and shit like that. Best you can do is send feedback and hope they fix it.

As a consumer, I have noticed how companies produce low quality products for high profits. The reason that happens is not because that's just how the way things are, but due to the fact that consumers let companies get away with it. People fail to realize just how much power they have as shoppers. They purchase products and services they are not fully satisfied with because they have become content with accepting whatever a company throws at them.

The only language that companies understand is Money-ese. Therefore, consumers must learn how to communicate in that same language by practicing the concept of voting with one's wallet. If people are unsatisfied with a product a company tries to sell, they should avoid spending their money on said product. Watch how quickly businesses will start to be receptive to consumer feedback once they see their revenues sinking down the drain. Otherwise, by creating profits for businesses who release substandard items, we are essentially telling them that we are fine with low quality and that we happily accept it.

People may think we need businesses (which can be true to some extent), but businesses need us much more. As much as they attempt to act for their own interests, they know they cannot survive without the support of consumers. If we as a community would learn to collectively boycott companies who are foolish enough to act against our wishes, we could create significant change.

Note that this isn't directed against Bioware or EA specifically, but towards consumer-company relationships in general. The behaviors displayed by some who are furious over the facial animations are completely inexcusable and unprofessional. I am just talking from a general perspective when it comes to how we as buyers interact with companies.

BF1 has some really nice graphics and done with Frostbite, too. That's great, it shows what can be done with Frostbite. That being said, there are multiple significant differences between the two games. BF1 SP is a short game. That means less time spent on story, more time spent on graphics. MEA has a long SP campaign and much more open world to explore. BF1 is a WW1 game that has explosions and etc, but the effects are not as large and varied as the many visuals you get in MEA. The weapons in BF1 are limited to bang bangs and boom booms and the weapons in MEA go zap, zzzzing, whuum-whuum, ba da BOOM and bang bang too so the visuals can be insanely different and large.

Similarly, when you look up reviews of BF1 (I haven't played it yet- it looks fun and I think I will), you see that it has a lot of bugs too.

Developers will place priorities on different things and it seems some childish gamers just think its all so easy to make the perfect bug free game exactly how THEY want it.  It seems more of the MEA Devs efforts was on the environments and the effects and the open worlds, not on making the most realistic looking faces and an infinite number of details in CC. I am fine with that. I don't play the CC for hours on end (like apparently some people do) and just don't live for the cutscenes. I want good gameplay and environments to play in.

I firmly believe that cyberbullying should be looked at more harshly. Cracking a few jokes is one thing, but when the jokes turn vicious and into to bullying- just plain getting out of hand, action should be taken against these people. It doesn't matter if its a 12 year old kid threatening someones life over something as childish as a game, or a 30 year old doing the same, there should be punishment. There seems to be no punishment for any vile or criminal actions anymore. I am all for proper punishment for the crime committed. I am seeing so many people hiding behind the anonymity of the internet and being as vile and threatening as possible and that its just wrong. I am also seeing the pack mentality of some that will gang up and stalk and repeatedly attack or threaten someone, which is also just wrong. The internet has become no more than a high school with its childish cliques and gangs and bullies and drama. Its really sad how with all of this technology and advancements, the world has become so much LESS civilized.

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