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Post by The Twilight God on Mar 26, 2017 13:12:19 GMT
Dr. Lexi T'Perro's clones finally arrive at the Nexus Those dead eyes.
Those dead dead soulless eyes.
This game looks like Weekend at Bernie's: Andromeda.
Even the dialog delivery is as lifeless as the plastic faces giving them.
Is this the norm? Is this really the game that Bioware spent *FIVE YEARS* developing?
Enough of the AAA nonsense. Bioware is *NOT* a AAA developer anymore. The past is in the past. And I think I'll pass.
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Post by Eshaye on Mar 26, 2017 13:17:44 GMT
Asari are supposed to be other worldy beautiful and I am disappoint... I could understand limitations in the original trilogy but you would think they could do it better now not make their faces worse. Hey maybe it was the great Asari culling, send your plainest to anothr galaxy to keep the Milky Way beautiful....
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Post by nachituy on Apr 7, 2017 14:47:19 GMT
Lets hope they can fix this in the next update , they show they can alter animations and models in 1.05 , here is hoping they can fix it.
(so sad to hope for something ME1-2-3 had 10 years ago)
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 15:33:32 GMT
They have a lot of copy and paste npcs. DAI had a lot of those as well. Environments might look better in frostbite but the npcs don't
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Post by zenjestr on Apr 9, 2017 0:52:07 GMT
to be fair, asari have always had the same face with different skin tones and markings. granted I'm also kinda bothered by Andromeda's asari face. I think it's because the OT's was kind of....generic pretty? if that makes sense? while Andromeda's face is very...unique. like it was made to be an somewhat important character. that or we got so used to the OT's face that the fact that using such a different look as a copy/paste model for the entire species stands out more.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 9, 2017 20:33:43 GMT
They should have given Lexi a uniques face model. You can romance her but why would anyone bother to? A generic asari with a lackluster personality. Why bother.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 9, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
They should have given Lexi a uniques face model. You can romance her but why would anyone bother to? A generic asari with a lackluster personality. Why bother. She has an unique face
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 20:46:08 GMT
to be fair, asari have always had the same face with different skin tones and markings. There were some clones in the original trilogy, but they were limited to background decoration NPCs that you didn't actually interact with. One of the more memorable examples was in the Dark Star Lounge in ME2, where some of the Asari on the dance floor not only had identical faces, but identical clothing and identical, synchronized dance moves. The original trilogy did a much better job however of giving NPCs you interacted with some variation. For example... In ME:A all four of those characters would have shared Lexi's face. I think part of the problem with ME:A was priorities. They seem to put a lot of effort into giving Krogan unique faces, but as a species that looks very alien to begin with, they don't really need that many unique faces. Some differences with colorization and markings would have sufficed. It's the aliens that very human-like that need more work to give them unique appearances, because the clone effect is much more noticeable with characters that are human or human-like.
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Post by Sondergaard on Apr 9, 2017 22:24:14 GMT
to be fair, asari have always had the same face with different skin tones and markings. granted I'm also kinda bothered by Andromeda's asari face. I think it's because the OT's was kind of....generic pretty? if that makes sense? while Andromeda's face is very...unique. like it was made to be an somewhat important character. that or we got so used to the OT's face that the fact that using such a different look as a copy/paste model for the entire species stands out more. Wrong. In the trilogy there were a variety of minor asari npc faces (3 to 5 per game I think) plus each major asari NPC had their own face. Add into that colouration and markings and they looked unique. Edit: managed to miss the post above.
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Post by peabuddie on Apr 10, 2017 1:10:19 GMT
They should have given Lexi a uniques face model. You can romance her but why would anyone bother to? A generic asari with a lackluster personality. Why bother. She has an unique face Not that i can see. Looks pretty generic to me. Check Liara's face. it's totally unique.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 10, 2017 4:01:45 GMT
All Asari (besides Peebee) having the same face model wouldn't be a big deal if that face model wasn't so damn ugly.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 10, 2017 7:19:33 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if they came out with an explanation that Kett got to the asari ark and tried exaltation on the spot. Exaltation failed (space magic) and in the process, instead of creating new Kesaris, we got bunch of clones of one ugly asari which turned out to be a male (radiation from interstellar travels can do that). As for who is the original one, we may never know. In the meantime, Peebee was taking a dump, so she dodged a bullet, which would explain why she's unique.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 10, 2017 7:57:17 GMT
All Asari (besides Peebee) having the same face model wouldn't be a big deal if that face model wasn't so damn ugly. It's not ugly. Lexi and other asari clones are much prettier than most asari were in the original trilogy.
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Post by zombiehead on Apr 10, 2017 8:16:53 GMT
I was thinking the same as well just the other day.
But i guess the Turians have the same face, maybe it is because we speak to fewer of them we do not notice?
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Post by lastpawn on Apr 10, 2017 9:25:37 GMT
No, Liara's face was unique (based on a face scan of a real person). The trilogy did have like two faces that got recycled for most NPC asari, so doing the same in MEA isn't that unusual. I think the main problem is that it's also more or less Dr. Lexi's face, who should definitely have a unique look. Also, it makes sense that most asari look more homogeneous than humans, since they get all of their DNA solely from their mothers (the mating process merely randomizes the expression of some genes). Yes, Liara's face was based on Jillian Murray. So these are not Liara's face at all? I realize I'm late the the party, but no, these DO NOT look like Liara. You can clearly see this if you compare the second image with Liara's face, since the angle is similar. Substantial difference in eyes and cheeks (presumably to give Liara more of that innocent/naive look), just to name two. I actually thought you were joking at first. Maybe it's a prosopagnosia issue, my uncle has that and he swears similar-looking people are identical. In any case, every important asari from MET had a distinct face. Including Liara. In ME:A they're almost all identical. Not similar, but literally the same.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 10, 2017 9:32:27 GMT
Yeah I have to admit all Asari looks EXACTLY the same. In trilogy they looked similar, but not the same. I think in this case it is just a pure laziness.
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Post by Antibaar on Apr 10, 2017 9:45:38 GMT
Yeah I have to admit all Asari looks EXACTLY the same. In trilogy they looked similar, but not the same. I think in this case it is just a pure laziness. This.Its kinda frustating to see same face everywere.I dont think it has to hard to implement 3-4 distinct faces in the game.Pure laziness indeed.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 10, 2017 9:57:23 GMT
All Asari (besides Peebee) having the same face model wouldn't be a big deal if that face model wasn't so damn ugly. It's not ugly. Lexi and other asari clones are much prettier than most asari were in the original trilogy. clearly you have some very... special... taste, my friend. Good for you i guess.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Apr 10, 2017 11:05:19 GMT
I was thinking the same as well just the other day. But i guess the Turians have the same face, maybe it is because we speak to fewer of them we do not notice? Also the other aliens don't have a face that looks human, like the Asari do. I find all the aliens to be a bit off what I'm used to in the MET though. I wonder if its an issue with switching to Frostbyte
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2017 11:36:31 GMT
Yes, Liara's face was based on Jillian Murray. So these are not Liara's face at all? *snip I realize I'm late the the party, but no, these DO NOT look like Liara. You can clearly see this if you compare the second image with Liara's face, since the angle is similar. Substantial difference in eyes and cheeks (presumably to give Liara more of that innocent/naive look), just to name two. I actually thought you were joking at first. Maybe it's a prosopagnosia issue, my uncle has that and he swears similar-looking people are identical. In any case, every important asari from MET had a distinct face. Including Liara. In ME:A they're almost all identical. Not similar, but literally the same. You're not joking either, are you? First, let me apologize again in this thread because of the confusion I might have made when I said most non important asari on the trilogy were based on Liara's face, that was an exaggeration, and many may take that seriously. However, if you're really stating that no asari npc took Liara's face, I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. Now, it's painfully obvious in MEA because they didn't even bother to tweak their textures a little more. The only way it could be more stupid is if they all wrote Lexi on their foreheads. Just answer me this then, does this seem the same asari to you? Notice how they even tweaked heir mouth a little bit to look larger and took away a little bit of her chin's "mark". Of course you still recognize her because of the very similar facial markings, that they changed to give her a more "darker" and not so naive look anymore. i.imgur.com/qhFuouA.jpgi.imgur.com/cWEYpNE.pngNow, zoom in the two images of Liara and Lieutenant Kurin and compare them (zoom the Kurin one a little more because the image is a little smaller, go clicking one and the other) and see if their faces are not the same, Liara is with her head inclined a little bit, but it's the best one I could find. The eyes are the same, the nose is the same and the mouth is extremely similar (only a little bit different because Liara was tweaked to look a little larger on the sides from ME2 Lotsb onwards). Even the philtrum in their faces (I think this is the name) is the same. They just did a much greater job at tweaking their textures and masking this so that most people don't even notice. Better than this, I think the only way is to swap their textures so you can see what I'm talking about.
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Post by TheWhiteWolf on Apr 10, 2017 12:16:27 GMT
All Asari (besides Peebee) having the same face model wouldn't be a big deal if that face model wasn't so damn ugly. It's not ugly. Lexi and other asari clones are much prettier than most asari were in the original trilogy.
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Post by enviablememory on Apr 10, 2017 12:42:25 GMT
Maybe if we pester the devs enough, they will have to take this into consideration. The more outrage, the higher the chance of improvements. For me, it is a total immersion killer, worst problem of the game atm.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 10, 2017 12:55:21 GMT
Maybe if we pester the devs enough, they will have to take this into consideration. The more outrage, the higher the chance of improvements. For me, it is a total immersion killer, worst problem of the game atm. exactly. Just do what, for example, gays and trans do - keep being vocal, loud, and pestering the devs while victimizing yourself, and they are bound to listen. Right? At least that works for mentioned demographics, why should we be any worse?
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Post by kleindropper on Apr 10, 2017 13:34:48 GMT
They did. They also did a good job making them look different by using different costumes, makeup, and hairstyles, and colors. Also, all of those reused faces were very attractive. Not really, they did not have different costumes, etc...that is one of the few weak points. They had either complete different skin or the exact same one. They had litteral clones. Look for the guy wearing green clothes and a red hat, he appears in 6 places during the cutscene and he is not the only one appearing several time in that cutscene. Funny considering the scene is about creatures who can copy other people. Also note that these were filler "men on the street" that made the cities appear full of life. Compare Novigrad to any of the outposts Anagaran cities. I liked how in Witcher 3 you would literally have to run people down on your horse to get around because the streets were so crowded. Now, I also invite you to peruse the 32 PAGES of named Witcher3 characters. Sure, some re-use facial features and whatnot but the comparison is not even close: witcher.wikia.com/wiki/Category:The_Witcher_3_characters
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Post by enviablememory on Apr 10, 2017 18:01:00 GMT
Maybe if we pester the devs enough, they will have to take this into consideration. The more outrage, the higher the chance of improvements. For me, it is a total immersion killer, worst problem of the game atm. exactly. Just do what, for example, gays and trans do - keep being vocal, loud, and pestering the devs while victimizing yourself, and they are bound to listen. Right? At least that works for mentioned demographics, why should we be any worse? I have already sent some tweets at Mike Gamble and Ian Frazier about this, #asaridiversity, but they never bothered answering, in contrast to tweets about banter and the like.
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