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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 6:17:25 GMT
I can relate to the OP's sentiment though, this game is all over the place, say what you want about the original trilogy, but those games had some semblance of coherence which simply isn't present in Andromeda period.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 24, 2017 6:19:14 GMT
Oh but it does. This game's story completely lacks the ambitions the first game had. I mean I haven't even mentioned this yet, but where's the music? Why is the no ambient music playing when I'm exploring or visiting hubs? How come the music that does exist during cutscenes, feels so bland compared to what we heard in the trilogy? So, a predictably weaker story + a lack of background music = shitting on the originals? I think there's people who have legitimate, justifiable concerns and criticism for this game. And then there's people like you. Brainless nitpicking that leads to some truly daft conclusions. Thank God you're here to tell everyone what is legit vs nitpicking.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 24, 2017 6:45:12 GMT
So, a predictably weaker story + a lack of background music = shitting on the originals? I think there's people who have legitimate, justifiable concerns and criticism for this game. And then there's people like you. Brainless nitpicking that leads to some truly daft conclusions. Thank God you're here to tell everyone what is legit vs nitpicking. Legit vs nitpicking? Nah. But if someone is going to say that this game is "shitting on the MET", then yes - I would expect to see more of an explanation than "meh story + where's da tunes, dawg?"
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 24, 2017 6:47:31 GMT
Thank God you're here to tell everyone what is legit vs nitpicking. Legit vs nitpicking? Nah. But if someone is going to say that this game is "shitting on the MET", then yes - I would expect to see more of an explanation than "meh story + where's da tunes, dawg?" Interesting. I used the words you wrote, but nah. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses, despite how witty you find yourself, dawg.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 7:12:21 GMT
Music can make a big difference, that's why it's used. Ambient music depending on the situation can change the atmosphere and mood. If one thinks the music is bland, it can really detract from the experience.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 24, 2017 7:14:12 GMT
You outta know what you're getting into by reading the title. "You mad?" Yeah, I'm mad. You bet your quad I'm mad. 5 years I waited. 5 loooong years, and this what they have to show for it? I was LIVID about ME3's ending. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt that they would bring this series back into a positive light. So this is going to be a very angry rant, because this is 5 years of faith and patience being unrewarded, coming out to ventilate. You know why this game really sucks the shit ring off my toilet? It ain't the bad animations, the poorly designed UI, or the bugs. It's none other than the goddamn story. The plot, the themes, the tone, the characters, all of it. People can yell "Bad animations! Bad animations!" all they please. But bad animations would've been forgiven, if the story of this game had been good. That's pretty much what happened with ME1. People forgave all it's huge flaws because of it's endearing story. I would welcome with wide open arms, all the bad animations, bugs, and poorly designed UI, for a story that had good presentation, a compelling plot, and great characters. But Andromeda's story is poorly told, generic, and worst yet, it's boring. B O R I N GI look back on the Original Trilogy. The great directing, it's mystery, amazing characters, interesting scenarios, it's cinematic storytelling, and it's wonderful music, and I compare them to this game, and it's almost like it's not even in the same franchise. It's like a generic Sci Fi game, with a Mass Effect paint job. The worst cutscene in the Original Trilogy, is better presented, and more interesting than anything I've seen storywise in this game. The people who made this game have ZERO passion. They don't understand nor care what made Mass Effect so beloved. If the ending to ME3 didn't kill the franchise, this game sure as fuck did. If you like Andromeda, more power to you, but I honestly cannot understand how you're satisfied with this game. How you can look back at the trilogy, and all the wonderful times it gave us, and then still feel "Oh yea....Mass Effect: Andromeda? Totally worth the wait. This is where it's at." Because this game does not deserve the name Mass Effect. Fuck Bioware Montreal. Fuck Mac Walters. And fuck EA. All I have are memories now. This post... so much win. I thought it wouldn't get worse after the crap last 5 minutes of ME 3 [The entire trilogy is legendary btw and I loved every bit of it except the last minute of 3] BOY WAS I HORRIBLY WRONG. dahell just happened
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 24, 2017 7:17:30 GMT
ME2 killed the franchise. See? I posted an opinion too. your opinion is shite then
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 24, 2017 7:21:55 GMT
You know, when you guys post ugly critique like this, it kind of ruins it a little for those of us still playing and enjoying the game. Which brings up a point. Why isn't there a critique/review section for Mass Effect (and for each BioWare game)? That way the people who want to read that kind of thing can, while those that don't can safely ignore it and keep playing the game for the awesome and quirky game it is? there was... until EA shut it down. They thought they would silence the critiques lol... horrible misscalculation since majority of the critiques are all over reddit and social media now.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 24, 2017 7:24:02 GMT
It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry. I hate it when people think that they can police other people's feelings. I feel the same way as the OP (actually, he is too kind to game IMO). Some of you people just want to have your safe spaces, and the very notion of someone critiquing what you (supposedly) like is considered a threat to you, because it shakes your belief system (that is often build on delusions, or fear of being labeled as haters). I can be an ass and "irrational" as well (probably what I'm doing now), and considering what Andromeda turned out to be, it would be totally justified. Cheers. Exactamente!
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 24, 2017 7:34:42 GMT
What the hell is wrong with this community? Like damn bro I make a well thought out post and I get replies from 5 year olds? Is this what our world is turning into?????? Hey man you're dealing with people who will defend the game and will ridicule you if you're being honest and truthful, and unfortunately most people do not want to hear that.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 24, 2017 7:52:44 GMT
I don't know if it "shits on the legacy of the original" trilogy. Oh but it does. This game's story completely lacks the ambitions the first game had. I mean I haven't even mentioned this yet, but where's the music? Why is the no ambient music playing when I'm exploring or visiting hubs? How come the music that does exist during cutscenes, feels so bland compared to what we heard in the trilogy? Maybe they realized that ambient music on a constant loop sucks, because it does.
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Oh hey, I found this nifty little thing called "block user"...
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 24, 2017 9:19:29 GMT
I couldnt agree more OP. I knew the lack of info and gameplay prior to release had to mean something. Clearly the marketing people knew the game wasn't that great and tried to "hide" it as much as possible. But to your topic... Like ive mentioned previously the rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any style, lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue and exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. Its simply dull. Like the Transformer movies its just crap, souless, generic, design by committee, "our focus groups have told us this'll appeal to the widest audience/make X amount of profit on the lowest investment" corperate crap served up on screen. And to boot it all just feels a bit old hat imo. Why even bother going to Andromeda to begin with then if its just the same shit we've been there and done that and got the t-shirt etc?. The same shit but only not as interesting because the characters are nowhere near as compelling. Of course we know why we're going there, but it all just feels a bit pointless to me. There's no good reason for the game to even be set there, and then they fail to actually take advantage of this new setting any way). It shows a lack of vision and creative bankruptcy. And why should i invest my time and money when clearly they couldnt be bothered too. And the thing is whilst the most talked about aspect, the animations, although they are indeed awful and immersion breaking, are actually hardly the worst of the game's problems imo. To me this game is a mess in many more crucial aspects, apsects that greatly effect ones enjoyment and matter far more than the facial animations(and animations are not my main priority in so much that when it comes to Mass Effect things like side quests and world building, writing and atmosphere is where my main focus is... And they dropped the ball hard on those things. The game is severly lacking, and not what one would expect from a game with Mass Effect on the box). I get the impression they learnt nothing from the failings and faults of ME3 or DA:I. Its frustrating tbh. And i know some people say its like ME1, well for one it isnt(as that actually had interesting side missons, compelling characters and a fantastic story. Its ME1 in all the bad ways sure), and two even if it was its now 2017, and what was acceptabe in 2007 is not good enough anymore in 2017, doesnt cut the mustard in a post Witcher 3 or Mass Effect 2 or New Vegas world. They've had 3 games, why turn the clock backward to what didnt work and wasnt fun to begin with?. Its a regressive step. And to all those saying "It's not that bad!": Yes. It is. Sure, maybe Andromeda is an enjoyable game, but evidently it's not an enjoyable Mass Effect game. I didn't fall in love with this series because it was "passable"; it was because I'd never experienced anything like it before. Whether 10 years on, or 7 years or 5 years on, and all we've been given is a hollow imitation of the experience that brought us all here in the first place. So basically what you are saying is your opinion is superior to all because if I can't enjoy it, then no one else can. We are not allowed to think of it as an enjoyable ME game? That is the vibe I am getting from your post. Please correct me if I am wrong. No, that is not what i was saying. Im merely pointing out some well researched and i believe provable observations if you will(i have played the trial and watched a large amount of a walkthrough). Im not saying my opinion is superior, its just how i feel on the matter as a big Mass Effect and Bioware old fan. And if you enjoy the game more power to you. Dont let me stop you having fun now. I mean i myself am planning to buy the full game when i can find the GOTY edition with all the bells & whistles in the bargin bin and or otherwise dirt cheap, as right now imo the game is not worth the asking price.
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Post by empirex on Mar 24, 2017 9:36:11 GMT
I hate it when people think that they can police other people's feelings. I feel the same way as the OP (actually, he is too kind to game IMO). Some of you people just want to have your safe spaces, and the very notion of someone critiquing what you (supposedly) like is considered a threat to you, because it shakes your belief system (that is often build on delusions, or fear of being labeled as haters). I can be an ass and "irrational" as well (probably what I'm doing now), and considering what Andromeda turned out to be, it would be totally justified. Cheers. Exactamente! No one is policing anyone's feelings. There's a group of people that disagree with OP's whole "Fuck Bioware" rant. The End. I don't think Andromeda is the apparent end all, be all that everyone is declaring. I don't think his whole baseless accusation that the people work on the game are not just as passionate as we are. I don't think incompetence and poor decisions are signs of laziness and apathy. I enjoyed what I have played in Andromeda. Some of you clearly don't. I am sorry but it also seem that most of you have realized that the last FOUR TO FIVE Bioware games haven't been your cup of tea one way or another. Yet you stick around and sprout that my entertainment is shit based on your standard as if there is a universal law that can dictate what I enjoy or can't enjoy. No one is forcing you to play this game. No one is forcing you to play a Bioware game. Move the fuck on. Prey looks fantastic. Cyberpunk is coming. Don't waste your energy here.
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 24, 2017 9:42:34 GMT
ME2 killed the franchise. See? I posted an opinion too. ME2 - 96 Metacritic score, 8.9 user score Andromeda - 74 Metacritic score, 4.3 user score
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 9:47:58 GMT
No one is policing anyone's feelings. There's a group of people that disagree with OP's whole "Fuck Bioware" rant. The End. I don't think Andromeda is the apparent end all, be all that everyone is declaring. I don't think his whole baseless accusation that the people work on the game are not just as passionate as we are. I don't think incompetence and poor decisions are signs of laziness and apathy. I enjoyed what I have played in Andromeda. Some of you clearly don't. I am sorry but it also seem that most of you have realized that the last FOUR TO FIVE Bioware games haven't been your cup of tea one way or another. Yet you stick around and sprout that my entertainment is shit based on your standard as if there is a universal law that can dictate what I enjoy or can't enjoy. No one is forcing you to play this game. No one is forcing you to play a Bioware game. Move the fuck on. Prey looks fantastic. Cyberpunk is coming. Don't waste your energy here. Well, I can say"- If you have problems with people complaining, don't waste your energy here, on go play your beloved game, instead of whining about people complaining/ranting" as well. But that would be kind of tyrannical (although totally called for). I am amazed at the fact, that some people still lack the capability to learn how this world works.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 24, 2017 9:57:03 GMT
He's calling it like he sees it. It's not that that I'm complaining about. You can dislike it and still be more rationak about it. This thread just started off really mean and angry. ...and most replies in this thread have been way meaner than anything the OP ever said. (Ad hominems anyone?)
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 9:57:46 GMT
Yes. But that is ten years ago. This is the fourth game in the series and others have been released in between. They weren't then the big EA developer they are now. The plan is to always get better, not worse, and, in total, ME1 has superior writing than this. So, it is not pick and choose. It is a nice, juicy fact. If you can actively make an argument that MEA has better writing than ME1 then you clearly deserve what you are getting. Also, you should understand the difference between bad writing and misused words and phrases in a script. The latter should be basic knowledge if you want to get paid as a professional. ME:A does have good writing. It is certainly funnier than ME1. I've not finished ME:A yet and so am not in a position to judge whether their is the equivalent of Kaidan's "Big place!" line, but we'll see. I let you know if I hit that particular dialogue high again. Maybe Ryder will ask Jaal whether his species produce with each other. Or maybe the Archon will have a melt down on his ship like Saren did, complete with scary music. Can't wait. ME:A does not have good writing. The writing is, as some people on the extranet called it: tumblr-girls-fanfiction. It's not serious, it immature and funny in a cringe way, and there is simply no comparison to the older games. This is what adults think about the writing in MEA:
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 24, 2017 10:23:39 GMT
I can relate to the OP's sentiment though, this game is all over the place, say what you want about the original trilogy, but those games had some semblance of coherence which simply isn't present in Andromeda period. Thats now how I remember it. I discovered Mass Effect 3 (then went back to the others) and this game is all over the place just like ME3 was. You can follow the main path or be side tracked forever with the million side quests. This game reminds me of ME3 in so many ways. The only true difference I see is the gameplay since its a different engine.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 24, 2017 10:54:29 GMT
This is what adults think about the writing in MEA: I'm an adult and I like it. Go figure.
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Post by Liara on Mar 24, 2017 11:07:37 GMT
I hate the fact that there is not a single attractive character in the game.
SJW assholes, feminists, deviant homosexuals and minorities pressured Bioware into making ridiculous looking characters. Are there any normal white people in the game? (no)
Animations are ridiculous and look about ~20% finished.
Dialogs written by 16 year olds.
Story line is dumb as a pile of rocks.
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Post by Astralify on Mar 24, 2017 11:11:12 GMT
This is what adults think about the writing in MEA: I'm an adult and I like it. Go figure. But are you mature? It sounds like you are missing/missed something in your life, and the amatureish cheesy-teen-awkward writing somehow fulfills something for you. I'm not saying that's bad or anything, I'm saying that's not the type of writing I expect from bioware. If I wanted this kind of "experience", there is fanfiction (which is sometimes way better, and it's free).
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Post by inert on Mar 24, 2017 11:20:41 GMT
ME2 killed the franchise. See? I posted an opinion too. your opinion is shite then That's the idea. Congrats for getting there.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 24, 2017 11:43:04 GMT
But are you mature? It sounds like you are missing/missed something in your life, and the amatureish cheesy-teen-awkward writing somehow fulfills something for you. I'm not saying that's bad or anything, I'm saying that's not the type of writing I expect from bioware. If I wanted this kind of "experience", there is fanfiction (which is sometimes way better, and it's free). Oh this will be good. Tell me, what am I missing in my life that means I like the dialogue? Can I not just like it for its own merits? MEA does not hold the monopoly for cheesy teen writing - you have played the MET, yes?
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Post by Hrulj on Mar 24, 2017 11:54:39 GMT
Played it. I wish I didn't, I knew I hated it but I knew I'd be a dick to talk about a game without playing it, so I bought it and played it. The story is boring and forgetable, none of it seems impactful, and that is provided you can actually get to hear the story and dialogue. Half the time the idiotic AI will interrupt you mid conversation to tell you about mining opportunities. Unless you stop the car on the dime or just stop moving the dialogue and party banter will be interrupted. Even the ride with the Turian where Nexus gets explained to you get's interrupted by arriving to fast. It's idiocy at it's finest.
All presents are butt ugly, showing that Bioware either didn't give a damn and just wanted to ship the game out ASAP or it's part of their ideological SJW mentality of ugly acceptance. Either way they're attrocious. Voice acting is forgetable, oftentimes cringeworthy and animations, especially facial animations in a game where you spend half the time staring at talking faces.
Ket are the most idiotic idea for aliens I've ever saw.
Now that I got this out of my system I feel better. Hire more Manweer's Bioware, it's the only way to be sure this franchise get's taken to EA's disposal grounds.
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