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Post by dmc1001 on May 6, 2017 15:23:50 GMT
The forum is struggling a little with multiple, 'I hate this game' / 'I love this game' threads. Expressing those views is, of course, fine, but multiple threads covering the same ground is obscuring other threads addressing specific aspects of the game. So this thread is for general feedback along the lines of 'dislike or hate' the game. That doesn't prevent, civil comment from those who disagree, but it sets the tone for the conversation. Duplicate threads may be moved in here. Any chance you can merge all those "I hate" threads into this one? Even the reviewers are just a smokescreen for the same thing.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on May 6, 2017 15:50:59 GMT
Every person who bought MAE has the right to make opinion about it - you, me, this guy who is complaining. He also has the right to do as many times he wants. This is not mutual adoration social network. You're right, he's/she's entitled to an opinion...but what is the point in making another thread about it? He/she posted a couple videos and that's it. He/she hasn't said anything constructive or otherwise. Just seems like pointless whining to me. Seems to me that it's time for people like the op to just move on to another game instead of staying around trying to bring everyone else's spirits down. I understand "misery loves company" and all, but it's getting annoying already. Just move on. Probably you are happy with MEA, but many people don't. It's 6 weeks after release; much expected patch - especially for NG+ players - not out yet, BioWare got completely silent 3 weeks ago and it's hard to get any info from them, so people got angry. The longer this silence will last, the more people will complain.
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Post by R1Outcast on May 6, 2017 16:36:58 GMT
You're right, he's/she's entitled to an opinion...but what is the point in making another thread about it? He/she posted a couple videos and that's it. He/she hasn't said anything constructive or otherwise. Just seems like pointless whining to me. Seems to me that it's time for people like the op to just move on to another game instead of staying around trying to bring everyone else's spirits down. I understand "misery loves company" and all, but it's getting annoying already. Just move on. Probably you are happy with MEA, but many people don't. It's 6 weeks after release; much expected patch - especially for NG+ players - not out yet, BioWare got completely silent 3 weeks ago and it's hard to get any info from them, so people got angry. The longer this silence will last, the more people will complain. Again I ask: What's the point? Why lurk the forums constantly complaining? If you don't like the game, stop playing it and move on...it's that simple. It seems to me that people who don't like the game are all-to-eager to try and convince others as to why they shouldn't like the game either. It's the whole "misery loves company" mentality I mentioned before. I just wish people could learn to be miserable by themselves instead of feeling the need to bring others down with them. Constructive criticism is one thing, but people here just complain to complain. They offer nothing to any conversation...only complaining on top of complaining. Just move on already and let others enjoy the game. No need to try and convince others to be miserable with you.
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Post by vomder on May 6, 2017 16:44:56 GMT
I really hate the fucking nomad. They need to bring back the MAKO already.
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Post by dm04 on May 6, 2017 18:16:11 GMT
Probably you are happy with MEA, but many people don't. It's 6 weeks after release; much expected patch - especially for NG+ players - not out yet, BioWare got completely silent 3 weeks ago and it's hard to get any info from them, so people got angry. The longer this silence will last, the more people will complain. Again I ask: What's the point? Why lurk the forums constantly complaining? If you don't like the game, stop playing it and move on...it's that simple. It seems to me that people who don't like the game are all-to-eager to try and convince others as to why they shouldn't like the game either. It's the whole "misery loves company" mentality I mentioned before. I just wish people could learn to be miserable by themselves instead of feeling the need to bring others down with them. Constructive criticism is one thing, but people here just complain to complain. They offer nothing to any conversation...only complaining on top of complaining. Just move on already and let others enjoy the game. No need to try and convince others to be miserable with you. Because humanity does not work that way, it never worked that way and you better hope it never will. The second people stop constantly "complaining" is when everything will go downhill, FAST. Besides... as long as there are people who think the game is perfect, there have to be people who tell them "wrong". There is a huge difference between: I like the color red and I like the color blue AND this game has bugs/this game has no bugs. Last but not least, any criticism is good, no idea where this idea "only constructive criticism, with a lot of suggestion, is good criticism" came from. And before I forget it, except for some, very few, exceptions, most people here do not want you, or anyone else, to be miserable with them, they just want you, or anyone else, to realize this game is far from perfect. So Bello, here is a stick, go fetch.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 18:27:18 GMT
I really hate the fucking nomad. They need to bring back the MAKO already. A Nomad with a gun would be worth 1 million Makos. That thing handled like a dump truck by comparison.
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Post by zeypher on May 6, 2017 18:58:33 GMT
Still dont get why we needed 4wd and the 6wd modes. They add nothing to the game except more annoyance. But then the entire game is chalk full with decisions like that.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 19:01:23 GMT
Still dont get why we needed 4wd and the 6wd modes. They add nothing to the game except more annoyance. But then the entire game is chalk full with decisions like that. I'll admit that while it's a baffling decision, it kind of reminds me of shifting gears in racing games (automatic is for chumps), so I ended up kind of liking it. Whenever I drive around I just switch back and forth without thinking about it.
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Post by zeypher on May 6, 2017 19:12:03 GMT
In a sci fi setting it makes zero sense especially when we know that the wheels are electric motor powered. It was tedious friction which ended up making me not too fond of the Nomad as it really does not add anything. The fact that then they pad it out by requiring you to upgrade that is like being spat in your face.
Thats my big issue with this game in particular having a lot of features that add nothing except unnecessary tedium. there is no story reason either, they exist purely to add tedium. The inventory UI, need to research a weapon 10 times and ofcourse they level gate it, quests requiring going to multiple planets which basically entails the entire massive padding of the travelling. Stuff like this is what really kill any desire to replay the game, absolute padded tedium that adds nothing at all.
The contagion mission is the perfect example of the BS they have added to their game systems and thats why this game is a 6/10 at best. Here a post borrowed from neogaf to show what i mean:
Here's the thing, they don't need to reinvent anything to make the open world stuff work, they just need to take into consideration how many non-story related steps are required to actually complete the content you're engaged in. I've already illustrated the steps required to go anywhere but lets take the Contagion quest as an example. I don't think the writing in this one is bad- on the contrary I really liked it and that unto itself is part of why the travel mechanics getting in the way annoyed me so much. Once you've completed the requisite steps on nexus to track Ruth down, you're asked to follow her shuttle into space- okay fine. Then you have to fly to not one, but 5-6 systems in following her trail. Let me illustrate what that actually entails:
Hold E to board Tempest hold E to open galaxy map hit space to zoom out from the nexus hit space to see the cluster overview click on the first system watch the ship fly there right click to scan for ruth's trail launch probe click anomaly fly to trail/ hit tab to skip click to scan/gather data hit space to zoom out to system view hit space to zoom out to cluster view click on the second system watch the ship fly there right click to scan for ruth's trail launch probe click anomaly fly to trail/ hit tab to skip click to scan/gather data hit space to zoom out to system view hit space to zoom out to cluster view click on the third system watch the ship fly there right click to scan for ruth's trail launch probe click anomaly fly to trail/ hit tab to skip click to scan/gather data hit space to zoom out to system view hit space to zoom out to cluster view click on the fourth system watch the ship fly there right click to scan for ruth's trail launch probe click anomaly fly to trail/ hit tab to skip click to scan/gather data hit space to zoom out to system view hit space to zoom out to cluster view click on the fifth system watch the ship fly there right click to scan for ruth's trail launch probe click anomaly fly to trail/ hit tab to skip click to scan/gather data hit space to zoom out to system view hit space to zoom out to cluster view Click on Kadara's system Watch the ship fly in Click on Kadara Watch the ship land click on the lift to go to the slums run out of the slums manually to the badlands fast travel from the badlands to the nearest forward station drive to find her crashed shuttle track the footsteps of whomever took Ruth deal with Roekaar
Quests in general if they need to be continued on a different zone need to at least offer to take you to the next point of interest or somewhere close to continue the quest. It becomes a major pacing issue if you have to go through ridiculous steps that contribute fuck-all to the story to be able to get to actually play the game part of the game. The story of having to contain a cross-species disease is fine, good even, even better when the idea of the Roekaar trying to weaponize it comes into play. But Bioware needs to find a way to channel you between points of interest with far more efficiency because what they've got right now is not working for me.
That was just one example but the entire game is padded with BS all the way through. Peebee's loyalty quest which requires you to go to 3 planets in the exact order, doesnt matter if you are already on Eladeen, you first have to go to Eos. Doesnt matter if already visited that site before , you have to go when the quest mandates to get the item. Im sorry but when someone actually defends this kinda crap i can with 100% certainty say they are objectively and idiot.
This is not good game design, all this tells me that the game was in development hell as a lot of features cannot be justified at all. So again at best a 6/10 game cause it has numerous issues. So far i have not even touched the writing, dialogues, animations, characters, world building or how the narrative and the tone of the game do not match at all. Just pure gameplay systems having absolute terrible design all made to waste a players time. Every aspect of gameplay and its systems is padded to hell and back which do not make for a fun game.
Im not even bitching about slots anymore as using cheat engine and a couple of mods ive managed to get a ghetto soldier setup going with ammo powers. Ie soldier profile, turbocharge, grenades, barricade as a substitute for fortification and two consumable slots with CE to have no duration limit as my ammo powers. But the above padding cannot be removed and i hope to god bioware add proper fast travel, ill gladly take a loading screen on my SSD than experience what travelling to different locations entails as that is insulting.
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Post by R1Outcast on May 6, 2017 19:25:00 GMT
Again I ask: What's the point? Why lurk the forums constantly complaining? If you don't like the game, stop playing it and move on...it's that simple. It seems to me that people who don't like the game are all-to-eager to try and convince others as to why they shouldn't like the game either. It's the whole "misery loves company" mentality I mentioned before. I just wish people could learn to be miserable by themselves instead of feeling the need to bring others down with them. Constructive criticism is one thing, but people here just complain to complain. They offer nothing to any conversation...only complaining on top of complaining. Just move on already and let others enjoy the game. No need to try and convince others to be miserable with you. Because humanity does not work that way, it never worked that way and you better hope it never will. The second people stop constantly "complaining" is when everything will go downhill, FAST. Besides... as long as there are people who think the game is perfect, there have to be people who tell them "wrong". There is a huge difference between: I like the color red and I like the color blue AND this game has bugs/this game has no bugs. Last but not least, any criticism is good, no idea where this idea "only constructive criticism, with a lot of suggestion, is good criticism" came from. And before I forget it, except for some, very few, exceptions, most people here do not want you, or anyone else, to be miserable with them, they just want you, or anyone else, to realize this game is far from perfect. So Bello, here is a stick, go fetch. Never did I (or anyone else afaik) claim the game was perfect. You say " The second people stop constantly "complaining" is when everything will go downhill, FAST." That's not true. If people cease the pointless complaints about ME:A, the game will remain the game it is. And it's a decent game. Now on the other hand, if people offer actual constructive criticism, then maybe we will see some improvements. But complaining for the sake of complaining isn't doing anyone any favors. If you have possible solutions to issues then by-all-means, voice your opinion and share your solution. But creating a thread just to complain that you don't like the game...pointless. Keep in mind, this is a merged thread. The thread I originally responded to contained a link to two videos (the ME:A 2015 E3 announcement video; and the Hitler video everyone keeps regurgitating with different subcaptions). The post also had the words " spend 80 dollars on this game get excited by 2015 E3 Trailer in the first place." That's it...pointless complaining. Lastly, thanks for being so concerned with my well-being, but I don't need constant reminders that the game isn't perfect. I know the game isn't perfect. I still enjoy it. edit: Take a look at drugarth's post directly below mine. That's actual criticism and not just pointless complaining.
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Post by drugarth on May 6, 2017 19:42:51 GMT
I'm 50 hours in, and was hoping the game would pick up, but instead it is becoming more tedious. My completion is now at 47%, but Im not sure I will finish it. Things I do not like:
- lot's of tedious missons with drab stories, and I am not talking about the tasks, I'm skipping those entirely...no the side quests themselves are tedious...and send you flying/driving all over the place to do trivial things...and do not add anything story wise
- leveling ads nothing to my character after level 25-30, skill points mean nothing to me anymore...I have all the skills I need maxed out - same for crafting, can't craft anyhting better till I hit level 40....10 levels between crafting ranks is pityful - apv points give meaningless bonuses, so that also not worthwhile - loot is worthless....as you can't augment it, it is always worse than crafted items... - money is worthless, all you need to buy are some resources or consumables...I have over 50K credit just siting there - loot from stike team mission is pityfull and also not worth it So basically there is no more character progress after level 25 or so, I stopped crafting, looting, spending apv or doing strike missions
- stop with the damn sudoko's...I can't be bothered with it, if I have a remant key I'll do a tower, else I am now skipping them..it's tedious, and I don't want to do the same thing 15-20 times over..
- overall storyline is not that great, and because of al the drab side quests, which do not tie into the main story what so ever, it is easy to lose the story line completely
Next game should be way more tight in storylines, character progress and not have you fly all over the place for nothing....bring back the old OT style of gaming...
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Post by vomder on May 6, 2017 19:51:12 GMT
I really hate the fucking nomad. They need to bring back the MAKO already. A Nomad with a gun would be worth 1 million Makos. That thing handled like a dump truck by comparison. The physics could be wonky but mainly due to the terrain. But that's nothing at the end of the day. The MAKO had guns, an actual jump function that was useful, could climb just about any incline and didn't get damaged by environmental hazards.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 19:54:05 GMT
If we're talking about game mechanic stuff like hazards, that wouldn't really matter, because if we had a Mako here, it'd suffer the same fate.
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Post by zeypher on May 6, 2017 19:56:02 GMT
a level 1 cold hazard in me1 was -124 C, here -50c makes the nomad and Ryder shit their trousers.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 6, 2017 19:58:15 GMT
Yeah I certainly do not agree with environmental hazards here. I didn't really like it in ME1 either, but at least being in the Mako provided immunity. I think MEA should have gone the same route, if there were to be hazards at all, and simply have the character itself be subject to it and have the vehicle be the safe zone.
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Post by zeypher on May 6, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
Well no point in touching this subject again, my massive post above summed up my issues with the gameplay here. Useless tedium being added to every aspect all to pad the living crap out of it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 6, 2017 20:07:24 GMT
Again I ask: What's the point? Why lurk the forums constantly complaining? If you don't like the game, stop playing it and move on...it's that simple. It seems to me that people who don't like the game are all-to-eager to try and convince others as to why they shouldn't like the game either. It's the whole "misery loves company" mentality I mentioned before. I just wish people could learn to be miserable by themselves instead of feeling the need to bring others down with them. Constructive criticism is one thing, but people here just complain to complain. They offer nothing to any conversation...only complaining on top of complaining. Just move on already and let others enjoy the game. No need to try and convince others to be miserable with you. Because humanity does not work that way, it never worked that way and you better hope it never will. The second people stop constantly "complaining" is when everything will go downhill, FAST. Besides... as long as there are people who think the game is perfect, there have to be people who tell them "wrong". There is a huge difference between: I like the color red and I like the color blue AND this game has bugs/this game has no bugs. Last but not least, any criticism is good, no idea where this idea "only constructive criticism, with a lot of suggestion, is good criticism" came from. And before I forget it, except for some, very few, exceptions, most people here do not want you, or anyone else, to be miserable with them, they just want you, or anyone else, to realize this game is far from perfect. So Bello, here is a stick, go fetch. F**ing safe-zone babies. F**ing so sensitive that they don't get "it." All they hear is negativity instead of looking for the MAGIC in CRITICISM. Daisies. Snowflakes. When they get like that, hand them a tampon and a "binkie."
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 6, 2017 20:08:52 GMT
Yeah I certainly do not agree with environmental hazards here. I didn't really like it in ME1 either, but at least being in the Mako provided immunity. I think MEA should have gone the same route, if there were to be hazards at all, and simply have the character itself be subject to it and have the vehicle be the safe zone. Right. Derrrrr... common sense. Sorry. I'm cranky like a junkie when he can't get his fix.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 6, 2017 20:10:02 GMT
If we're talking about game mechanic stuff like hazards, that wouldn't really matter, because if we had a Mako here, it'd suffer the same fate. Exactly. Same issue, different vehicle and different engine.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 6, 2017 20:15:40 GMT
6/10 is kinda where I am too. If they had fixed most of the really bad technical issues and given us a CC that is somewhat better than terrible I'd probably have given it 7.5 or even an 8. So would you give them that if they fix those in patches? Or are first impressions everything?Have you ever worked in the real world to ask such a question? YOU MAKE A PRODUCT. IF IT'S GARBAGE, LAWSUITS USUALLY HAPPEN. YOU SELL A PRODUCT AT FULL PRICE KNOWING IT'S GARBAGE... what the F*** DO YOU EXPECT WILL HAPPEN? You have a reputation and when you constantly hang onto your reputation and then kick quality and polishing to the curb, your reputation is garbage. Utter, insulting garbage to new and old fans. I'm 45 and going to start training to box. Then I'm heading north of the border legally. Then I'm going to challenge daisies that come out of Bioware. That's way more entertaining than Voeld's vault, the Hinterlands, etc.
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Still dont get why we needed 4wd and the 6wd modes. They add nothing to the game except more annoyance. But then the entire game is chalk full with decisions like that. It's quite similar to real life 4wd vehicles. The Nomad can go a lot faster in 4wd, but slips on hills. Shifting to 6wd sends more power to the wheels for better traction, but you can't go as fast.
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Post by zeypher on May 6, 2017 20:26:55 GMT
Again ME vehicles will be using individual electric motors per wheel and not a gearbox setup we use with out ICE based vehicles. Thats why it makes no sense when you consider every single ME vehicle is fly by wire system meaning the onboard systems will automatically adjust for necessary traction.
The vehicle and the 6wd/4wd systems do not fit a fly by wire future electric suv. Thats why its a pointless vehicle as its design and operation do not match the setting. Finally all vehicles also use ME fields to regulate mass to lessen the power draw and that is definitely NOT manual.
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Post by djbare on May 6, 2017 20:27:20 GMT
I really hate the fucking nomad. They need to bring back the MAKO already. "Have you ever flown it off a cliff" Fully upgraded, the Nomad is fantastic, took a high speed enhanced boost of a cliff with Jaal shouting yeeha! Mako as okay, both are considerably better than that tissue paper armored thing we got in ME2.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
Again ME vehicles will be using individual electric motors per wheel and not a gearbox setup we use with out ICE based vehicles. And those additional electric motors kicking in would draw more power. Regardless, the Nomad was designed to mimic current real-world and other game mechanics. It does go faster in 4wd than it does in 6wd.
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Post by Reorte on May 6, 2017 20:35:01 GMT
Probably you are happy with MEA, but many people don't. It's 6 weeks after release; much expected patch - especially for NG+ players - not out yet, BioWare got completely silent 3 weeks ago and it's hard to get any info from them, so people got angry. The longer this silence will last, the more people will complain. Again I ask: What's the point? Why lurk the forums constantly complaining? If you don't like the game, stop playing it and move on...it's that simple. It seems to me that people who don't like the game are all-to-eager to try and convince others as to why they shouldn't like the game either. It's the whole "misery loves company" mentality I mentioned before. I just wish people could learn to be miserable by themselves instead of feeling the need to bring others down with them. Constructive criticism is one thing, but people here just complain to complain. They offer nothing to any conversation...only complaining on top of complaining. Just move on already and let others enjoy the game. No need to try and convince others to be miserable with you. Why express any opinion? Such complaint is just as valid as someone just saying "I love the game!" If something has an effect on someone, either positive or negative, they'll want to say something about it. Basic human nature, so don't ask "why?" The only time people won't say anything is if the result is a massive "meh". FWIW I quite liked the game although it has numerous problems the complainers are perfectly valid in complaining about IMO.
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