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Post by Silvery on Mar 24, 2017 20:53:39 GMT
I haven't played Andromeda yet, but for the next ME I think a sequel would make more sense then taking it back to the Milky Way. While I think a Mass Effect Trilogy prequel game of some kind (First Contact, Rachni War, Krogan Rebellions,etc.) would be cool in the future, it seems like it would be unfair to ditch this new setting after one game. Despite the games technical problems I would not mind if Montreal got another shot at it, since they would be more experienced and should improve. Plus, it seems like it would be weird for Edmonton to take over a sequel to a game they did not do.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 20:53:39 GMT
How could people vote for Bioware Montreal, knowing what we know now with the game's troubled development? It sounds toxic as hell over there. Ever heard of giving a person a second chance? The same principle applies to companies. A person? Yes. An entire company? I would argue it's not the same thing. If I'm gonna wait another few years for the next Mass Effect game, and pay money for it, I'd feel more comfortable if I knew it was being developed by a more competent and proven team. |
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Post by Thalandor on Mar 24, 2017 20:54:35 GMT
You forgot an option in the poll:
Bioware Montreal finish making this game before doing anything else.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 20:54:57 GMT
How could people vote for Bioware Montreal, knowing what we know now with the game's troubled development? It sounds toxic as hell over there. Mainly because it seems like Bioware Edmonton is too busy working on the new IP so who else does EA have that can work on RPGs? I personally think Bioware Montreal can get another shot but just get rid of Mac Walters. Nothing I have seen from his work on ME3, Mass Effect: Foundation, or this game has impressed me. Get a capable creative director and dump Walters. Listen to feedback from this game and start again with a fresh vision. Mac is definitely a problem I agree. I actually don't even think he truly cares about Mass Effect anymore. He even said once he was burnt out on the series during ME3's development. |
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Post by pantherdane on Mar 24, 2017 20:59:15 GMT
Despite a million posts of hate from a few haters, sales will show whether the general public accepted the game.
Have you noticed how polls have been 10 times more positive than the negatives but you see post after post in a thread complaining. It seems the unhappy are 10 times more vocal and continually complain whereas there are fewer satisfied customers that post a lot.
I have always heard it called the "vocal minority". Saw it all the time on Blizzard forums. So-n-so posts a million hateful times about how he hates a game, all the while logging a thousand hours of gameplay and screaming they want a refund. Lol
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Post by maximusarael020 on Mar 24, 2017 21:03:05 GMT
Imma let you in on a secret. If sales are good, EA won't care what the fanbase says anyway. They'll say "Wow! You made us $180,000,000! Get to work on the next one!". If they are bad, they will probably not invest in a new Mass Effect game. Also, sales don't matter to fans. So if the numbers come out and MEA is a huge success, people hating on the game aren't going to say "Oh wow! I must have been wrong this whole time! The game just be really great because of sales even though I dislike it!" Fans don't care. So I think it's fine to see if people want the current studio to work on it again or a new one and why. Imma gonna let you in on something that's no secret at all... most of this fan base wouldn't know how to "hold their wad" for five seconds... let alone long enough to properly "romance" this game. Most people I've seen complaining about stated their intention to complain about it long ago... self-fulfilling prophecies now combined with a bit of gloating and power tripping. That's....great. I fall to your superior evidence and thoughtful arguments. You are, truly, a master debater.  |
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Post by aionis on Mar 24, 2017 21:05:59 GMT
Sorry but this is how they will learn, keep studying what makes ME great, fix the performance issues, visual issues, human models
I honestly feel they can make MEA2 quite brilliant if they take all the criticisms and have them drive to making a really GREAT game.
Andromeda has a lot of potential for MORE story.
More on Kett
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The initiative's growth.
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Post by Madflavor on Mar 24, 2017 21:30:41 GMT
Despite a million posts of hate from a few haters, sales will show whether the general public accepted the game. Have you noticed how polls have been 10 times more positive than the negatives but you see post after post in a thread complaining. It seems the unhappy are 10 times more vocal and continually complain whereas there are fewer satisfied customers that post a lot. I have always heard it called the "vocal minority". Saw it all the time on Blizzard forums. So-n-so posts a million hateful times about how he hates a game, all the while logging a thousand hours of gameplay and screaming they want a refund. Lol First week sales will probably be okayish, but I'm expecting a sharp decline afterward. The salt from ME3's ending, bad word of mouth and reviews for ME:A, and all the hilarious memes go around, will probably have a negative affect on sales. There are those near the top of the corporate food chain, who use Metacritic as a metric for a game's success. It's a very flawed business tactics, but a lot of companies use it, and that's just the way it is. So rest assured, there are people at EA right now, who are keeping a close eye on this game's commercial success at this point, because of that 74 score. That said, please don't start the "vocal minority" crap. |
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Post by zan on Mar 24, 2017 21:51:30 GMT
Until we see what the game will look like in 3-6 month time and how the sale figures will look in that period it will be very hard to tell what the future holds for the franchise and its stay in BWM.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 22:53:19 GMT
It's not like we're actually deciding what's going to happen, as much as I wish that were the case... 
But anyway, I say leave it in Montreal and just get them some more/better animators, authors and maybe an actual game designer, who can be in charge of putting the pieces together in one cohesive whole. There is great potential in this game as I see it. The trick is gonna be to iron out the kinks specifically. Yeah, I didn't think that one through... I think the Montreal team did well enough to deserve another shot. There's a fair bit of promise in the game as it is, given the relative inexperience. |
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Post by Iakus on Mar 24, 2017 23:02:26 GMT
Despite a million posts of hate from a few haters, sales will show whether the general public accepted the game. Have you noticed how polls have been 10 times more positive than the negatives but you see post after post in a thread complaining. It seems the unhappy are 10 times more vocal and continually complain whereas there are fewer satisfied customers that post a lot. I have always heard it called the "vocal minority". Saw it all the time on Blizzard forums. So-n-so posts a million hateful times about how he hates a game, all the while logging a thousand hours of gameplay and screaming they want a refund. Lol First week sales will probably be okayish, but I'm expecting a sharp decline afterward. The salt from ME3's ending, bad word of mouth and reviews for ME:A, and all the hilarious memes go around, will probably have a negative affect on sales. There are those near the top of the corporate food chain, who use Metacritic as a metric for a game's success. It's a very flawed business tactics, but a lot of companies use it, and that's just the way it is. So rest assured, there are people at EA right now, who are keeping a close eye on this game's commercial success at this point, because of that 74 score. That said, please don't start the "vocal minority" crap. Wasn't Obsidian screwed out of a bonus because Fallout: New Vegas only got an 84 review on Metacritic rather than an 85? |
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Post by suikoden on Mar 24, 2017 23:13:17 GMT
How could people vote for Bioware Montreal, knowing what we know now with the game's troubled development? It sounds toxic as hell over there. They're good at making games that are fun to play. This games failings certainly weren't in the areas you'll be spending a lot of time with given being a game. Subjective. I didn't have ANY fun. I wouldn't say I hate Andromeda, but for me it's at best a 5 thanks to multiplayer. I'd give the main game a 3.5/10. But I don't expect others to feel the same way. Part of me does wonder, though - if this game is so fun to play, why aren't all of you that love the game on the forums when you could be playing the game? While playing ME 1-3, I was so engrossed by them that I didn't dare go on the forums for fear of spoilers - that, and I was too busy playing the games every waking moment. |
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Post by suikoden on Mar 24, 2017 23:16:49 GMT
Despite a million posts of hate from a few haters, sales will show whether the general public accepted the game. Have you noticed how polls have been 10 times more positive than the negatives but you see post after post in a thread complaining. It seems the unhappy are 10 times more vocal and continually complain whereas there are fewer satisfied customers that post a lot. I have always heard it called the "vocal minority". Saw it all the time on Blizzard forums. So-n-so posts a million hateful times about how he hates a game, all the while logging a thousand hours of gameplay and screaming they want a refund. Lol It's a Bioware forum... full of Bioware fans... Obviously the majority of people on here love the game. The people that hate the game have largely moved on to other games. EA was expecting to sell 3 million copies of Andromeda in the first week. I'll be surprised if it sells half of that. That's your vocal minority right there. |
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 24, 2017 23:27:39 GMT
People don't realize how powerful word of mouth is to games especially on the internet. Witcher 3 sold a lot because of word of mouth being positive. MEA will not sell well because of negative word of mouth, low sales will lead to bio Montreal closing and mass Effect becoming a retired franchise, mark my words...what could have been lads and lasses....
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 24, 2017 23:29:25 GMT
My guess is the new devs get folded into the team for the new IP and Mass Effect goes away. If Square can pull the plug on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, you can bet EA will do the same here. They had five years to get it right and this is Bioware's worst reviewed game.
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Post by ayenari on Mar 24, 2017 23:32:34 GMT
They're good at making games that are fun to play. This games failings certainly weren't in the areas you'll be spending a lot of time with given being a game. Subjective. I didn't have ANY fun. I wouldn't say I hate Andromeda, but for me it's at best a 5 thanks to multiplayer. I'd give the main game a 3.5/10. But I don't expect others to feel the same way. Part of me does wonder, though - if this game is so fun to play, why aren't all of you that love the game on the forums when you could be playing the game? While playing ME 1-3, I was so engrossed by them that I didn't dare go on the forums for fear of spoilers - that, and I was too busy playing the games every waking moment. Play in this instance doesn't refer to anything that could be considered a spoiler. I was talking specifically about the combat, character movement + driving. This game has narrative flaws and animation issues + bugs, and many of them, some quite deep. That aside, the combat is better than any of the previous entries, and if you had fun playing those but find this games combat to be boring, I don't know what to tell you really, seeing as its building upon what was done before in previous mass effect games. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 25, 2017 0:16:54 GMT
People don't realize how powerful word of mouth is to games especially on the internet. Witcher 3 sold a lot because of word of mouth being positive. MEA will not sell well because of negative word of mouth, low sales will lead to bio Montreal closing and mass Effect becoming a retired franchise, mark my words...what could have been lads and lasses.... I seriously doubt that. They are probably at work in ME5 right now. All you haters have to make everything so dark and grim like it is the end of the world. I just don't understand you lot. You need to lighten up. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 25, 2017 0:22:16 GMT
I'm just wondering about expansion content to come later. In any case, I think that BioWare should commit to this new setting and build from there. Seems like a waste to open the door to something entirely new then slam it shut again.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 25, 2017 0:25:43 GMT
People don't realize how powerful word of mouth is to games especially on the internet. Witcher 3 sold a lot because of word of mouth being positive. MEA will not sell well because of negative word of mouth, low sales will lead to bio Montreal closing and mass Effect becoming a retired franchise, mark my words...what could have been lads and lasses.... If you listent to the reviews you are right. But that is not really 'word of mouth'. And the word of mouth on the game has been overwhelmingly positive. People are saying they are really liking this game despite of the issues and the people complaining about the issues, most of them, I wonder if they have actually played the game. Besides, I have marked your words for nearly a year now, probably....actually a lot longer then that and most of your other predictions have been oh so accurate. (sarcasm btw) |
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 25, 2017 0:35:47 GMT
My guess is the new devs get folded into the team for the new IP and Mass Effect goes away. If Square can pull the plug on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, you can bet EA will do the same here. They had five years to get it right and this is Bioware's worst reviewed game. Not all of those devs, surely. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 0:53:35 GMT
We go forward, where else is there to go? Let Montreal continue the work they were given. Make a few DLC's, and then a sequel.
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Post by slimgrin on Mar 25, 2017 1:00:47 GMT
My guess is the new devs get folded into the team for the new IP and Mass Effect goes away. If Square can pull the plug on Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, you can bet EA will do the same here. They had five years to get it right and this is Bioware's worst reviewed game. Not all of those devs, surely. Then some to the new DA. I truly think this IP is in a precarious position. I know I'm not an expert but when devs sign up to be funded by a publisher, thing can go south really quick. |
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 25, 2017 1:06:46 GMT
Not all of those devs, surely. Then some to the new DA. I truly think this IP is in a precarious position. I know I'm not an expert but when devs sign up to be funded by a publisher, thing can go south really quick. Sure. What I meant to imply is that some of the Montreal staff will be fired. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 25, 2017 1:28:29 GMT
Other studio is my choice, Bioware is dead.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 25, 2017 1:55:10 GMT
People don't realize how powerful word of mouth is to games especially on the internet. Witcher 3 sold a lot because of word of mouth being positive. MEA will not sell well because of negative word of mouth, low sales will lead to bio Montreal closing and mass Effect becoming a retired franchise, mark my words...what could have been lads and lasses.... You're right, but then there's this: there are people that I like and sorta respect throwing hundreds of dollars, already, at the MP. When I read that, I puked in my mouth a little, but it is true. I know you aren't a fan of the new direction, but they set the hook pretty well on the die-hards and some of them apparently have a LOT of money to burn. I bought the CE of ME3, and them spent maybe another $30 on packs, so I would have gels and rockets. Some of these cats are going in hundreds deep already on MEA which frankly bothers me more than it should because how they spend their money is none of my damned business... Anyway, they will make their money. I have a feeling though, microtransactions for MP may be what makes this game profitable, which is the ultimate failure for Biower if you ask me. |
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