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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 15:46:59 GMT
I think the Krogan fight at 11:30ish triggers me the most. Note - there are spoilers within.This is simultaneously the funniest and saddest thing I've ever seen. This is what you get when you accept mediocrity, kids. Get off your high horse, seriously. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that people like the game and vice versa.
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Post by Arcian on Mar 27, 2017 15:55:05 GMT
This is simultaneously the funniest and saddest thing I've ever seen. This is what you get when you accept mediocrity, kids. Get off your high horse, seriously. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that people like the game and vice versa.
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 15:59:31 GMT
Get off your high horse, seriously. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that people like the game and vice versa.
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished. Just because they like the game, doesn't mean they have "low standards" this is ridiculous hate the game all you want, critique it It's your right, for crying out loud stop insulting others saying they have low standards. It gets us nowhere but stupid, pointless flamewars.
I admit even I'm guilty of this, but this really got to stop.......
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Post by admiralbonetopickmk2 on Mar 27, 2017 16:11:35 GMT
I think the technical side of things, the animation issues etc are just the tip of the iceberg, are surface level for why people are dissapointed. They dont really strike at the core of the main cause(s) of the disappointment imo. As ive said previously I think many people have been put off & ultimately disappointed by the...
* Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing
* Badly delivered, stilted dialogue.
* Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope.
* Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away
* Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief
* Poor world building
* MMO style fetch quests(with automated game mechanics etc)
* Shit teir side quests
* Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own
* Broken AI
* Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc
* Then the most damning thing no doubt for many people(myself included) though, which likely put ppl off and caused great disappointment.. Is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure.(And that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2, Fallout: New Vegas and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough).
I think really the real problem with the game is that its devs Bioware Montreal made a poor game for a series that frankly required excellence as that is what the previous games(ME2 especially) were. Excellent.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 27, 2017 16:16:44 GMT
Get off your high horse, seriously. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that people like the game and vice versa.
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished. Agree, the minimum demand of quality for any must be enforced by customers/market. Thus TW3's quality is the new par for open word RPG since its release.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 16:18:20 GMT
And one thing as I think someone mentioned. Why is the title why "people" are disappointed you don't speak for me, I'm loving the game so far speak for yourself.
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Post by R1Outcast on Mar 27, 2017 16:25:06 GMT
Yet another tuber who jumped on the animation / facial expression bandwagon. When this horse becomes a bloody pile of pulp he will hope on the next one. Bandwagon hoping is the new trend for the vast majority of youtubers these days. Desperately fishing for likes and subs. They know that hating on ME:A will get them views and likes so they do what they do best...follow trends. I'll be glad when all this ME:A hate is over too though. I'm loving the game personally. Bad press and the focus on inconsequential things deters many people from even trying this great game. Bioware made another masterpiece as far as I'm concerned. But being good, often makes you a bigger target for jealous people unfortunately.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 27, 2017 16:28:03 GMT
I'm liking the game so far however, it definitely needed more work on a lot of things. I know I'll probably be accused of being a hater for saying this, but man those facial animations are bad. I recently went back and watched videos of dialogue from ME1 - ME3 and while the animations in those games aren't perfect, they're way better than the majority of facial animations in ME:A. Heck, I couldn't stand Miranda's face in ME2 or ME3, with her constantly smiling face, and yet even she emotes better than most of the humans in this game. Not to mention the faces of the aliens (turians, salarians, and asari in particular) seem off, not the animation so much, just the texture and there are way too many "clones" (Why do all asari other than Peebee look the same?). If the majority of the game didn't involve me interacting with characters and constantly seeing a close-up view of their face, it probably wouldn't be so bad.
The animations aren't the only issues I have, of course. Here we are again with a ton of side-quests that can be overwhelming and tedious, traveling from planet to planet, while cool at first, gets old really fast, making me dread every time I have to leave a planet to do a different quest. There's just so many issues with the game that really keep me from enjoying it as much as previous games, but I am still enjoying it nonetheless. I like the squadmates (Liam and Jaal are awesome), the combat is super fun (Vanguard ftw!), and the game (aside from the facial animations) looks great. I just think the game could have used a lot more polishing.
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Post by goishen on Mar 27, 2017 16:40:35 GMT
I think the technical side of things, the animation issues etc are just the tip of the iceberg, are surface level for why people are dissapointed. They dont really strike at the core of the main cause(s) of the disappointment imo. As ive said previously I think many people have been put off & ultimately disappointed by the... * Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing * Badly delivered, stilted dialogue. * Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. * Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away * Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief * Poor world building * MMO style fetch quests(with automated game mechanics etc) * Shit teir side quests * Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own * Broken AI * Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc * Then the most damning thing no doubt for many people(myself included) though, which likely put ppl off and caused great disappointment.. Is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure.(And that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2, Fallout: New Vegas and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough). I think really the real problem with the game is that its devs Bioware Montreal made a poor game for a series that frankly required excellence as that is what the previous games(ME2 especially) were. Excellent. This. A thousand times this. I think I'm gonna save this and bring it up any time someone defends this dumpster fire.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 16:43:02 GMT
I think the technical side of things, the animation issues etc are just the tip of the iceberg, are surface level for why people are dissapointed. They dont really strike at the core of the main cause(s) of the disappointment imo. As ive said previously I think many people have been put off & ultimately disappointed by the... * Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing * Badly delivered, stilted dialogue. * Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. * Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away * Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief * Poor world building * MMO style fetch quests(with automated game mechanics etc) * Shit teir side quests * Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own * Broken AI * Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc * Then the most damning thing no doubt for many people(myself included) though, which likely put ppl off and caused great disappointment.. Is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure.(And that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2, Fallout: New Vegas and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough). I think really the real problem with the game is that its devs Bioware Montreal made a poor game for a series that frankly required excellence as that is what the previous games(ME2 especially) were. Excellent. This. A thousand times this. I think I'm gonna save this and bring it up any time someone defends this dumpster fire. Which will tell them nothing.
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Post by Eterna on Mar 27, 2017 16:47:20 GMT
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished. Agree, the minimum demand of quality for any must be enforced by customers/market. Thus TW3's quality is the new par for open word RPG since its release. Would you ass holes please shut up about the TW3?
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 27, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
I think the technical side of things, the animation issues etc are just the tip of the iceberg, are surface level for why people are dissapointed. They dont really strike at the core of the main cause(s) of the disappointment imo. As ive said previously I think many people have been put off & ultimately disappointed by the... * Fan fiction level, cringe af, tween, inane, Z-list hack writing * Badly delivered, stilted dialogue. * Rehashed, reused, nonsensical, self contradicting and very contrived plot that lacks any new, interesting or refreshing takes on meaty political and cultral intrigue n exploration and richness one would expect of being set in such a epic, far off new setting with this large a scope. * Lore pretty much retconned/ignored and too much of what should be important info and questions just hand waved away * Asking for way too much suspension of disbelief * Poor world building * MMO style fetch quests(with automated game mechanics etc) * Shit teir side quests * Too much asset reuse and even using assets found on image search, instead of creating their own * Broken AI * Tons of content but with no depth to it(wide as an ocean deep as a puddle syndrome) etc * Then the most damning thing no doubt for many people(myself included) though, which likely put ppl off and caused great disappointment.. Is that Mass Effect Andromeda it continues DA:I's singleplayer MMO structure.(And that to me is a complete no go, as I feel like an MMO structure is just admitting defeat of single-player game design, showing that the player is just there for a streamlined grind. Its a design by committee feel to things. And it's a wrong formula to follow, especially so for Mass Effect. Honestly i cant believe how anybody at Bioware, all the interns and writers who cant write who made this game could be happy with the finished product they're putting out here for us. It decidedly does not cut the musturd in 2017, in a post Mass Effect 2, Fallout: New Vegas and post Witcher 3 world. Its just not good enough). I think really the real problem with the game is that its devs Bioware Montreal made a poor game for a series that frankly required excellence as that is what the previous games(ME2 especially) were. Excellent. So basically the same complaints that people have against every BioWare game?
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Post by tziwen on Mar 27, 2017 16:55:42 GMT
Get off your high horse, seriously. I don't understand why people can't accept the fact that people like the game and vice versa.
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished. My standards in life aren't to dissect everything i play nor replaying the same content over and over until i've collected enough bugs to make a video with. My standards aren't to deny others the pleasure and the dignity to like a product i hate. I do hate cheese for the most part... i'll bug everybody in the world till they stop eating cheese! My standards isn't related to "polish" nor in my video games nor in cars. I want to sit in front of my screen smiling and calling my mates over saying: "Come here, look at that. So pretty. Who needs to go in space anymore " My stardards include smiling at my pals and enjoying my life playing games. Very not to lecture others. Obviously my standards are subpar and i'm sorry about that.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 27, 2017 16:57:43 GMT
What's so weird about the dialogue anyway? Sure, some figures of speech might be a little off, especially if English is your only language. It seems like some French and other European figures of speech made it into the game. I don't mind that at all though. Like the 'my face is tired' one. Made perfect sense to me, is used in my native language (West Frisian) as well. All in all I think people are being extremely nitpicky. The dialogue isn't that much more weird than HZD or TW3. Jesus... That is such an ignorant post. Please, do not ever become a writer of any kind. You will starve. What a wonderfully insightful post. I'm so glad you pointed out the flaws in my thinking with well constructed criticism. I think you should become a writer. I'm sure we'll all weep giant tears out of sheer admiration for you eloquent prose and clear imagery.
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Post by goishen on Mar 27, 2017 16:57:59 GMT
This. A thousand times this. I think I'm gonna save this and bring it up any time someone defends this dumpster fire. Which will tell them nothing. That's fine if you want to continue your life with the reading comprehension of a second grader, just don't expect us to. You can't love the darkness, then complain that there's no light. Something like that.
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Post by SofNascimento on Mar 27, 2017 16:58:41 GMT
The bigger question is why people's standards are so low they end up liking a game this unpolished. Agree, the minimum demand of quality for any must be enforced by customers/market. Thus TW3's quality is the new par for open word RPG since its release. It is. But it's not the only way to be great. That's what Bioware failed to realize. They tried to do something that they have no idea how, and so they let go of their strengths and gained new weakness.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
Which will tell them nothing. That's fine if you want to continue your life with the reading comprehension of a second grader, just don't expect us to. You can't curse the darkness, then complain that there's no light. Thanks for the insult, the comments presented are vague and subjective.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 27, 2017 17:11:43 GMT
Agree, the minimum demand of quality for any must be enforced by customers/market. Thus TW3's quality is the new par for open word RPG since its release. Would you ass holes please shut up about the TW3? I wish they would. I've tried getting into that game 3 times and it just wouldn't happen. Geralt's a cunt and the Witcher senses are ridiculous (I can see those footsteps just fine, the graphics are great)
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Post by goishen on Mar 27, 2017 17:17:42 GMT
That's fine if you want to continue your life with the reading comprehension of a second grader, just don't expect us to. You can't curse the darkness, then complain that there's no light. Thanks for the insult, the comments presented are vague and subjective. Let's just cut out the middleman and say that all things are subjective. Then, what is objective? Something must be here. So, you can say that this game is good... But admit that it's your dirty little pleasure, and let us call it objectively crap.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 27, 2017 17:22:07 GMT
While we're at it, let's cut the personal attacks, yes? Don't hate the player, hate the game? (Or like, as the case may be, though the saying obviously doesn't work as well )
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 27, 2017 17:24:17 GMT
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Post by lyvean on Mar 27, 2017 17:26:49 GMT
Agree, the minimum demand of quality for any must be enforced by customers/market. Thus TW3's quality is the new par for open word RPG since its release. Would you ass holes please shut up about the TW3? Why? You have to compare to the best, if you want to be the best. There is no other way for BioWare.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Mar 27, 2017 17:27:22 GMT
What about the dialogue? How can that be defended lol? These are paid professionals, and yet I'll bet the majority of posters on this forum could write better dialogue. No they couldn't. I don't know why people say this every time they want to criticize something's writing quality. This isn't even a defense of the writing in ME:A, which I can't judge yet anyway. But most people suck at writing. Hard. No offense intended to the people of this forum, but most of them would produce garbage, just like anyone not practiced at writing dialogue. Even mediocre to bad dialogue by a professional is going to be better than what most non-writers would write.
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Post by goishen on Mar 27, 2017 17:30:40 GMT
While we're at it, let's cut the personal attacks, yes? Don't hate the player, hate the game? (Or like, as the case may be, though the saying obviously doesn't work as well ) Trust me, if I wanted to insult him, he would be feeling it.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 27, 2017 17:31:50 GMT
While we're at it, let's cut the personal attacks, yes? Don't hate the player, hate the game? (Or like, as the case may be, though the saying obviously doesn't work as well ) Trust me, if I wanted to insult him, he would be feeling it. You really need to watch your attitude.
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