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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 30, 2017 3:50:47 GMT
This is especially funny considering the fact that BW not only fixed some bugs and patched in small QOL features for DAI, they added a not-insignificant amount of free content. The Black Emporium, Golden Nug, wardrobe updates, trials, and new ability upgrades were all completely free. But they're bad and greedy people, so they're definitely going to charge players to patch MEA. I thought all of those QOL improvements drastically helped me enjoy DA:I more, enough that I actually started replaying it and enjoyed my time with it. Skyhold felt like a huge restriction. Adding in the Emporium, armor-tinting and sync and casual clothing made the RPG-factor much better IMO, because I could craft things based on fashion for my entire crew and wear something else than pyjamas. They're obviously not going to patch Andromeda out of having boring fetch quests or bad storytelling. That's just not going to happen. They're not going to patch away the detrimental crap BioWare Austin added to the game (I'm looking at YOU Kadara side missions!)
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 30, 2017 3:54:14 GMT
I don't necessarily agree with that assessment. The characters are interesting, the disconnect is the technical hangups getting in the way of them. I also don't see it as a bland universe truth told. If anything the games finding it's footing and setting up the world-building we tend to see in Dragon Age at this time. Really? In 14 months time (the time it took for the Hyperion to reach the Nexus) no one once said, "Hey, what's that thing out there that can destroy our ship, called the scourge? I think I'm gonna go check it out. Maybe take a couple'a readings..." I mean, fuck, I would'a been out there the next week from sheer boredom, if nothing else. And you can't take something that has already been established as lore and beat it to death. I'm sorry, you just can't. This post doesn't make much sense to me. The Nexus arrived first, running into the Scourge in a far more disastrous event than Hyperion experienced. It was nearly destroyed. They had an immediate leadership crisis, and emergency, life-or-death repairs were needed. Selective awakenings were done to handle the work. They tried to study the Scourge the entire time, but their sensors were badly damaged; plus, the Scourge twists readings badly. It took everything they had just to survive. There was also the unfortunate sequence of events that led to the Uprising, with Sloane and part of the crew ending up ridiculously exiled, and Clan Nakmor leaving for Habitat 2. A lot of stuff took place. BioWare did not fail to explain this. In comparison, Hyperion was not nearly as badly damaged. They found the Nexus crew in an uneasy, teetering equilibrium. I thought this was well done. As to the main topic of the thread, I'm disappointed to hear that people are still so unhappy after actually playing the game. It's not perfect, with a few missing features and technical unevenness. Still, I think it's an excellent game. I'm not sure I've ever played better from BioWare. I'll need to play it a few times, wearing off the shine, before I can truly compare it to older games. Even the weaknesses I'd feared would ruin the experience for me have either been non-issues (animations), or are not important for an initial playthrough (limited CC, for instance). I think this game does far more things very well than it does poorly.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 30, 2017 4:03:56 GMT
Which banter bug? You mean the landscape-related banter suddenly cutting off? Or are people experiencing the same kind of bug from DAI where there's no banter between companions triggering while running around? Same but as in Dai. I think Ian confirmed it exists in andromeda Its actually worse than DAI you get pieces of banter atm. Examples: (Silence) oh, you mean (Silence) (Silence) I will turn this car around. (Silence) (Silence) That doesn't sound (Silence) (Silence) Uhuh (Silence) (Silence) pathfinder there are (Silence) You just wonder what the hell is going on.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 30, 2017 4:08:21 GMT
Same but as in Dai. I think Ian confirmed it exists in andromeda Its actually worse than DAI you get pieces of banter atm. Examples: (Silence) oh, you mean (Silence) (Silence) I will turn this car around. (Silence) (Silence) That doesn't sound (Silence) (Silence) Uhuh (Silence) (Silence) pathfinder there are (Silence) You just wonder what the hell is going on. This sucks. Is this the source of most of the disappointment-- game's poor technical state? I'm playing on PS4; and while I've had a few annoying challenges, it's been mostly a smooth ride. I wish you guys were playing the same game I'm playing. The content gets stronger and stronger as the game progresses, in my opinion. If you can't enjoy it, though, because it doesn't work... damn.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 30, 2017 4:18:19 GMT
This is especially funny considering the fact that BW not only fixed some bugs and patched in small QOL features for DAI, they added a not-insignificant amount of free content. The Black Emporium, Golden Nug, wardrobe updates, trials, and new ability upgrades were all completely free. But they're bad and greedy people, so they're definitely going to charge players to patch MEA. I thought all of those QOL improvements drastically helped me enjoy DA:I more, enough that I actually started replaying it and enjoyed my time with it. Skyhold felt like a huge restriction. Adding in the Emporium, armor-tinting and sync and casual clothing made the RPG-factor much better IMO, because I could craft things based on fashion for my entire crew and wear something else than pyjamas. In retrospect, Bio made a mistake by putting that stuff in patches rather than putting it in free DLC.
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Post by solomace on Mar 30, 2017 4:18:21 GMT
solomace That wasn't all directed at you, btw. I got a little ranty there, but it's just at the world, not you in particular. Nothing wrong with a rant m8.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 30, 2017 4:29:02 GMT
Its actually worse than DAI you get pieces of banter atm. Examples: (Silence) oh, you mean (Silence) (Silence) I will turn this car around. (Silence) (Silence) That doesn't sound (Silence) (Silence) Uhuh (Silence) (Silence) pathfinder there are (Silence) You just wonder what the hell is going on. This sucks. Is this the source of most of the disappointment-- game's poor technical state? I'm playing on PS4; and while I've had a few annoying challenges, it's been mostly a smooth ride. I wish you guys were playing the same game I'm playing. The content gets stronger and stronger as the game progresses, in my opinion. If you can't enjoy it, though, because it doesn't work... damn. If you could see the shit thats happened to me this week. It alters my initial opinions of it, yes. Game breaking loop on the Kett base Eos. 4 hours lost Game breaking bug in a boss fight on Voeld. 28 mins lost. Game breaking cutscene bug that I predicted might happen and pre'empted with a save file during Dracks loyalty mission. Not a lot lost and it was a good mission but still. Stuck under a staircase. Endless loop talking to Drack while he stares at the roof. Worse is when this happens the game auto saves 4 times during the damn bug. Theres no way to get your game back with an auto save. The words Recieved 500 credits splashed across my screen for a very long mission I couldnt save in. Ryder talking like hes wearing a helmet even when hes not. Talking to invisible NPCs. I can consistently log off the tempest galaxy map and see into space in three directions before the rooms spawn in. Stuck in a T pose. Floating enemies that spawn more enemies when you shoot them. Enemies that don't fight back. Endlessly spawning dinosaurs. Deploying probes that don't work. *Blinks* *Snaps* *Goes into blood rage* *Smashes the Nomad, torches the crew deck, goes the Salarian.*
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 30, 2017 4:40:54 GMT
This sucks. Is this the source of most of the disappointment-- game's poor technical state? I'm playing on PS4; and while I've had a few annoying challenges, it's been mostly a smooth ride. I wish you guys were playing the same game I'm playing. The content gets stronger and stronger as the game progresses, in my opinion. If you can't enjoy it, though, because it doesn't work... damn. If you could see the shit thats happened to me this week. It alters my initial opinions of it, yes. Game breaking loop on the Kett base Eos. 4 hours lost Game breaking bug in a boss fight on Voeld. 28 mins lost. Game breaking cutscene bug that I predicted might happen and pre'empted with a save file during Dracks loyalty mission. Not a lot lost and it was a good mission but still. Stuck under a staircase. Endless loop talking to Drack while he stares at the roof. Worse is when this happens the game auto saves 4 times during the damn bug. Theres no way to get your game back with an auto save. The words Recieved 500 credits splashed across my screen for a very long mission I couldnt save in. Ryder talking like hes wearing a helmet even when hes not. Talking to invisible NPCs. I can consistently log off the tempest galaxy map and see into space in three directions before the rooms spawn in. Stuck in a T pose. Floating enemies that spawn more enemies when you shoot them. Enemies that don't fight back. Endlessly spawning dinosaurs. Deploying probes that don't work. *Blinks* *Snaps* *Goes into blood rage* *Smashes the Nomad, torches the crew deck, goes the Salarian.* More than a few of these are familiar to me; but I've not had the game-breaking bugs. They released an unfinished game, and it sucks. I hope they can patch it into a functional state. It won't repair the poor release or bad first impressions, but it will at least let everyone enjoy their purchase. Just having a proper save function could've saved you, and who knows how many others, from a good measure of frustration. That questionable design choice is now magnified.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 4:41:52 GMT
Hey zipzap, what platform were you playing on?
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Post by duckley on Mar 30, 2017 4:46:52 GMT
As an aside I am on PS4 and have not run into any glitches ...are these problems evident only on PC or Xbox? Or did I just get Lucky?
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 30, 2017 4:47:15 GMT
Hey zipzap, what platform were you playing on? Ps4 Its been good up until the last couple of days.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 30, 2017 4:48:55 GMT
That explains a few things. Ps4 seems to be hit the worst with bugs. PC has had a couple, but I haven't experienced anything like that.
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Post by Element Zero on Mar 30, 2017 5:07:59 GMT
That explains a few things. Ps4 seems to be hit the worst with bugs. PC has had a couple, but I haven't experienced anything like that. I'd have guessed the opposite, based upon my own PS4 experience and what I've read. I thought it was mostly PC players struggling with the worst bugs. I think most of us are having issues, universally; but some are having game-breaking issues. I hope my good form holds. I'm level 65+, now, and still have a lot of content left. I don't want the back quarter of the experience ruined by technical issues.
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Post by neiljwd on Mar 30, 2017 5:43:04 GMT
It's great they're communicating like this, and acknowledging the community. I hope they salvage their reputation; the game's much better than it's made out to be. A few technical fixes, some good-will Free DLC, and a clear road map on how they're gonna turn the game around...
That's what they need -and what I reckon they'll do, they're not stupid.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Mar 30, 2017 7:15:51 GMT
Calm your tits. All they do now is fix bugs and at best add story content DLC, they won't change any design choices, dialog, and story now. At best they will allow saving during priority missions.
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Post by joglee on Mar 30, 2017 7:21:58 GMT
It was more of a joke, but logically it's the next step in the train wreck that is aaa publishing. I dread the day it really happens. Hey, at least EA isn't tossing around the idea of paid mods yet, unlike some other publishers! As a mod creator for that certain publishers games, paid mods wouldn't be bad. Most mod authors agree paid mods would be welcomed, it's the users who shut that down. Think about it, we often work 300+ hours on our mods to release to the public, should that time not be paid? Even if most mod authors made .50c-$1.00 per mod download, it would be a huge incentive to bring in more mod creators.
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Post by vanillah on Mar 30, 2017 7:24:15 GMT
Polish a turd, it's still a turd.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 30, 2017 7:24:29 GMT
Calm your tits. All they do now is fix bugs and at best add story content DLC, they won't change any design choices, dialog, and story now. At best they will allow saving during priority missions. If you look at what EA said. " Game not saving often enough during missions." That makes it sound like they'll just add more check points. Just hit a bug on Liams loyalty mission. If you evade to close to a corner you get stuck...in the corner. Why? *Loads save*
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Post by manofsteel on Mar 30, 2017 7:38:37 GMT
The animations and such aren't a huge deal for me (though I wouldn't turn down the notion of having them improved of course) but the swath of bugs should be their highest priority. Adding more content, free or otherwise, should come later.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 30, 2017 7:43:18 GMT
Expecting some quality "tl;dr" gif as their response to criticism. On a serious note, first DLC will probably have hand-made animations for every leaf on a wind, but don't expect them to fix anything but bugs in main game.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 30, 2017 7:53:44 GMT
Oh no I really really hope they don't overreact and pull a ME2 scenario where they rip all the RPG mechanics out of the game and dumb it right down.
I'd just like a slightly kinder checkpoint system.
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Post by clips7 on Mar 30, 2017 8:04:58 GMT
Like everyone else, i'm thinking the patch is just going to fix annoying bugs.....and maybe fix the saving issue. Facial and general animation patches are not gonna happen as that would require for them to polish the game for another 3-4 months at least. I keep hearing that this game released in the last week of EA's fiscal year.
Now i've never been the person that hates on publishers, but that might have something to do with it. I EA can't promise these milestones with their shareholders, their stocks take a hit and investors become skeptical of them hitting their deadlines. So they release it and figure they fix things on the back end with patches, but as we've seen, the animation aspect is an issue that required the game to be delayed and to have the team polish up that aspect or grab members from other teams that are more experienced and have them work on fixing the animations.
It's not just EA tho...all publishers are under this pressure and in general it is not wise to release two big games from the same publisher so that you don't have them competing against each other unless they are two completely different generes...even then i still don't think firms use that practice.
Andromeda will survive tho, because even tho i haven't played it, i don't think it's as bad as some are making it out to be.....if they ca fix those bugs, the game will be better for it, but again the animation issues are here to stay.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 30, 2017 8:16:54 GMT
Hey zipzap, what platform were you playing on? Ps4 Its been good up until the last couple of days. Haven't had any of the sort of game-breaking bugs on xbox, really. Must be frustrating, but for me all I get are visual weirdness once in a while, which is really not that bad. Also, if bioware makes this kind of announcement, only to state something of the type: "We're delaying our DLC and working mainly on fixing things up right now", I'm going to give a standing ovation for their nexus-sized brass balls.
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Post by Kroitz on Mar 30, 2017 8:16:55 GMT
The tiny dark particle in me which wants to see wide spread misery tells me it will be an ingame coffee cup labeled "white tears" for 500 andromeda points.
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Post by shechinah on Mar 30, 2017 8:17:51 GMT
1. Really? You've seen the asari talking to the angara in the cultural exchange about the use of pronouns? I'm sorry. You just can not beat to death any type of lore and get away with it. I mean, if you really want me to go off, I can go off. 2. From salarians having eidetic memories (or at least the same triggers as the Drell) to 3. hardcore scientists not having a problem with faith and science (Hello, Suvi). 1. I always took it as an attempt to continue a pointless tradition concerning the asari. See, the asari were conceptualized as the Green Alien Women trope of Mass Effect but in-universe, they were suppose to be a mono-gender race that didn't have a real concept of gender to apply to themselves. Likely because of what they were conceptualized as, this probably caused a presentation conflict that made the asari wound up being presented as completely female in everyt aspect of their culture down to every individual using female pronouns. Liara in the first game and Aethyta's conversation in the third both feature attempts to try and present the asari as more of a gender neutral race but as I said, because of how the asari have always presented, it comes off as pointless. In this game, it comes off as inconsistent. I'd rather they try to give up and create an actual gender neutral race instead. 2. Yeah, that one was wierd. It'd probably be best solved if it's just retconned that Kallo has a photograhic or something memory. 3. After the conversation where Suvi talks about believing and if you agreed with her, I think it's noted either in her codex entry or by her in an email that people sometimes give her trouble about it. You can even disagree with her and try to argue. What is a "hardcore" scientist and who of them have we met? Are they scientists that believe religion and science are completely incomptabile? I wouldn't exactly call that right since scientists that believe have been around since always and been respected in their field of science. Many have made incredibly important progress. I know of, at least, that described a similar view of god and science that Suvi does.
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