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Post by Sifr on Apr 14, 2017 21:11:09 GMT
That must have been the most disappointing side quest of them all. When I started investigating I thought this is interesting, went through all the motions and unearthed the last memory to solve it. But nooo. There's no closure. It just stops in mid air without you being any the wiser. Someone murdered the founder of the Initiative, but you're unable to solve it. Unable as in the game doesn't let you. DLC or just sloppy writing? ME1 set up a lot of dangling plot threads that weren't really resolved until later games. Even though Cerberus and the Shadow Broker were major parts of ME2 and the LotSB DLC, they still appeared as background elements in the first game that Shepard had to contend with while hunting for Saren. Shepard dealt with a few agents of the Shadow Broker such as Fist and Barla Von, as well as being contacted directly by the Broker when he offfered to buy classified Alliance information. Shepard also discovered and shut down several attempts by Cerberus operatives to weaponise the Geth, Husks, Creepers and Rachni. The Mysterious Benefactor is definitely being set up as a sequel hook for future games or DLC set in Andromeda. Flemeth is much the same in Dragon Age. She's had multiple appearances in the franchise and is responsible for setting various events in motion, but it took three games before we really learned anything that shed light on her background and motivations. And we still haven't really gotten a clue what her actual endgame is, beyond seeking revenge.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 14, 2017 21:50:24 GMT
That must have been the most disappointing side quest of them all. When I started investigating I thought this is interesting, went through all the motions and unearthed the last memory to solve it. But nooo. There's no closure. It just stops in mid air without you being any the wiser. Someone murdered the founder of the Initiative, but you're unable to solve it. Unable as in the game doesn't let you. DLC or just sloppy writing? ME1 set up a lot of dangling plot threads that weren't really resolved until later games. Even though Cerberus and the Shadow Broker were major parts of ME2 and the LotSB DLC, they still appeared as background elements in the first game that Shepard had to contend with while hunting for Saren. Shepard dealt with a few agents of the Shadow Broker such as Fist and Barla Von, as well as being contacted directly by the Broker when he offfered to buy classified Alliance information. Shepard also discovered and shut down several attempts by Cerberus operatives to weaponise the Geth, Husks, Creepers and Rachni. The Mysterious Benefactor is definitely being set up as a sequel hook for future games or DLC set in Andromeda. Flemeth is much the same in Dragon Age. She's had multiple appearances in the franchise and is responsible for setting various events in motion, but it took three games before we really learned anything that shed light on her background and motivations. And we still haven't really gotten a clue what her actual endgame is, beyond seeking revenge. There's a difference. Cerberus and the Shadow Broker weren't set up as elements that BioWare would expand on in later games. Especially Cerberus. They made that decision after ME1, while developing ME2. Same with Flemeth. You could actually say that it's good that BioWare planned some overarching story lines this time around.
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Post by abaris on Apr 14, 2017 22:39:06 GMT
You could actually say that it's good that BioWare planned some overarching story lines this time around. Which I doubt. Maybe with the big dangling carrots, such as the Kett. But there are quite many dangling side quests that are never resolved. It makes for a bitter aftertast to go through all the motions to only find "to be continued - maybe" at the end.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 15, 2017 1:35:09 GMT
I think Jien Garson was killed because she was going to start investigating about the benefactor, and they don't feel like being found, so they deal with her. If Alec didn't die, the benefactor would go after him too.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 4:57:23 GMT
ME1 set up a lot of dangling plot threads that weren't really resolved until later games. Even though Cerberus and the Shadow Broker were major parts of ME2 and the LotSB DLC, they still appeared as background elements in the first game that Shepard had to contend with while hunting for Saren. Shepard dealt with a few agents of the Shadow Broker such as Fist and Barla Von, as well as being contacted directly by the Broker when he offfered to buy classified Alliance information. Shepard also discovered and shut down several attempts by Cerberus operatives to weaponise the Geth, Husks, Creepers and Rachni. The Mysterious Benefactor is definitely being set up as a sequel hook for future games or DLC set in Andromeda. Flemeth is much the same in Dragon Age. She's had multiple appearances in the franchise and is responsible for setting various events in motion, but it took three games before we really learned anything that shed light on her background and motivations. And we still haven't really gotten a clue what her actual endgame is, beyond seeking revenge. There's a difference. Cerberus and the Shadow Broker weren't set up as elements that BioWare would expand on in later games. Especially Cerberus. They made that decision after ME1, while developing ME2. Same with Flemeth. You could actually say that it's good that BioWare planned some overarching story lines this time around. Yes they were. How do introduce groups that contraversal and not expect them to show up in later plots. the shadow broker plot even states they would interact later on. Hell, the cerberus plot is hand in hand with the akuse survives shepard's background
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Post by Fogg on Apr 15, 2017 8:02:21 GMT
There's a difference. Cerberus and the Shadow Broker weren't set up as elements that BioWare would expand on in later games. Especially Cerberus. They made that decision after ME1, while developing ME2. Same with Flemeth. You could actually say that it's good that BioWare planned some overarching story lines this time around. Yes they were. How do introduce groups that contraversal and not expect them to show up in later plots. the shadow broker plot even states they would interact later on. Hell, the cerberus plot is hand in hand with the akuse survives shepard's background Except that the developers said it themselves. Cerberus was just side content, a piece of world building. They didnt plan anything ME2 or ME3 while creating ME1.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 15, 2017 8:48:21 GMT
Yes they were. How do introduce groups that contraversal and not expect them to show up in later plots. the shadow broker plot even states they would interact later on. Hell, the cerberus plot is hand in hand with the akuse survives shepard's background Except that the developers said it themselves. Cerberus was just side content, a piece of world building. They didnt plan anything ME2 or ME3 while creating ME1. So what if it's side content. Bioware still abvances plot on it's side content from game to game. As I said before Cerberus and the shadow broker already been hint to be expanded on regardless.
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Post by abaris on Apr 15, 2017 9:47:01 GMT
Except that the developers said it themselves. Cerberus was just side content, a piece of world building. They didnt plan anything ME2 or ME3 while creating ME1. So what if it's side content. Bioware still abvances plot on it's side content from game to game. As I said before Cerberus and the shadow broker already been hint to be expanded on regardless. Nah, it was just the usual and endless speculation from people not making heads or tail of what was offered contentwise. It's going on in this topic too when in truth it's just a cliffhanger to sell a DLC or just sloppy writing that may or may not be expanded on. You're put on the trail of this murder case, hooked on investigating what's going on by collecting even the last memory shred, just to be thrown out into the cold at the end. Without any hint beyond what you already seen or that your character even remembers or cares. In short, creating an elepphant that turns into a moth.
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Post by shaqfu on Apr 16, 2017 2:47:26 GMT
Addison in the apartment with the tired face!
Nah seriously I really like this thread of the story and look forward too see where it might go
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Post by abaris on Apr 16, 2017 8:10:45 GMT
Addison in the apartment with the tired face! BTW, you can avoid this most stupid line entirely when you go to EOS, settle it before even speking to Addison. Also the name calling of Alec.
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Post by Light on Apr 16, 2017 14:30:07 GMT
Just wondering. Was there any confirmation that it was Jien? Didn't they say the body was burned bad enough they couldn't identify the body? Who is to say Jien Garson is actually dead. Everyone that knew Addison in person is dead. Garson could have been scared that the Benefactor would kill her so invited Addison to step aside to kill her and hide the body. Garsen then swaps the DNA profiles in the computer, changes her hair and make-up and proceeds as Addison. Garson pushes for succession because Addison was meant to be above Jann but got changed somewhere along the way by a bureaucrat who thought it was a paperwork mistake (I have seen this before "Oh this cannot possibly be right, I'll just click here and fix it all up", in the process destroying the actual plan because they did not bother to check). Hence Addison's confusion Jann was above 'her'. There are only 600 odd people awake so not too hard to transport Addison's body to the room and plant a few fake records.
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Post by shaqfu on Apr 16, 2017 22:44:31 GMT
Ya I'm leaning on her not being dead. In the book they only id'd the body because it had her name tag on. Face and body had too much damage from burns and space exposure to make a visual Id. Classic fake death body swap situation.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Apr 17, 2017 1:01:26 GMT
Don't they have scanners that can do instantaneous DNA matches? That should remove all doubt.
I'm not fond of Cerberus being behind this but I'm liking the idea of Vidal being the hitman. Makes a certain kind of sense.
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Post by danaxe on Apr 19, 2017 12:54:11 GMT
With all due respect to the writers of Nexus Uprising, which I loved, we can't rely on it at all. The events in it directly contradict how those events are recalled in the game. For instance, in the book, Sloane isn't part of the uprising. She actually goes to negotiate and then gets pulled in when she kills a krogan in self-defense. She then sticks with the rebels to keep them in line, whereas in the game, there are emails you see where people are talking about joining the uprising Sloane is starting (which was not a thing in the book.) I almost thought the same as I was finishing reading the book, but then Addison specifies at the end that along with Sloane and Calix's uprising survivors, some sympathizers joined them not wanting to stay on the Nexus any longer. So, in fact, some people did join the "Sloane Uprising".
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Post by brunobyof on Apr 19, 2017 17:29:47 GMT
Well, i didn't finish the game yet, or the book. but i like to think that Jien Garson was Murdered by someone following The Illusive Man's orders, aka "The Benefactor". He would have sent Cora so that she escape the Reaper Threat. Could it be Cora? I mean, she is Always playing by the book, as if it was something horrible to not obbey or follow the Initiative' high command instructions, but in fact, she was already an outsider and trained as an assassin in Thessia with the Asari, so why not being a Spy in the Initiative for TIM?
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Post by warlorejohn on Apr 19, 2017 17:32:47 GMT
Cora wasn't even on the same ship.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 19, 2017 18:24:03 GMT
I'm very much not on board with the idea that Cora is related to the Illusive Man at all. There's nothing in game that suggests it, nothing in game that gives us a reason to doubt Cora's backstory or be suspicious of her.
I think they just decided to have two completely unrelated characters have the last name. It wouldn't be the first time they tried it - James Vega originally being named James Sanders with no intended relationship to Kahlee Sanders.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2017 18:25:36 GMT
For now, at least till proven wrong, I'm going with what I posted earlier in the thread, that I believe Garson is alive and being held against her will for whatever reason. Either somewhere on the Nexus or on one of the planets. My guess would be Kadara. Ryder learns she is alive. Rescues her, but keeps Jien on the ship until everything is investigated and there's no other dangers to her life. Hmmm. Mass Effect: Ryder PI. haha
The theory about Reyes being involved. Anything is possible until more information is released. Who knows. It could be a former lover. Or could it be she wasn't suppose to be murdered, but someone else? Here's another one. What if she faked her death? She paid a couple folks to set things up to make it appear that she was killed? They just dumped a body in her apartment that had the same build as her?
I'm curious if Bioware will continue with this in a dlc or save it for a sequel, if there is one
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 20, 2017 1:54:01 GMT
With all due respect to the writers of Nexus Uprising, which I loved, we can't rely on it at all. The events in it directly contradict how those events are recalled in the game. For instance, in the book, Sloane isn't part of the uprising. She actually goes to negotiate and then gets pulled in when she kills a krogan in self-defense. She then sticks with the rebels to keep them in line, whereas in the game, there are emails you see where people are talking about joining the uprising Sloane is starting (which was not a thing in the book.) I almost thought the same as I was finishing reading the book, but then Addison specifies at the end that along with Sloane and Calix's uprising survivors, some sympathizers joined them not wanting to stay on the Nexus any longer. So, in fact, some people did join the "Sloane Uprising". I thought of that. The phrasing of that email though was about it being an uprising Sloane was starting. The book's writers (who are great) did an AMA on Reddit where they said they just got a list of characters and a few events to include, basically. Unfortunately, the studio kept them out of the loop and this is what happened.
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Post by danaxe on Apr 20, 2017 9:59:35 GMT
I almost thought the same as I was finishing reading the book, but then Addison specifies at the end that along with Sloane and Calix's uprising survivors, some sympathizers joined them not wanting to stay on the Nexus any longer. So, in fact, some people did join the "Sloane Uprising". I thought of that. The phrasing of that email though was about it being an uprising Sloane was starting. The book's writers (who are great) did an AMA on Reddit where they said they just got a list of characters and a few events to include, basically. Unfortunately, the studio kept them out of the loop and this is what happened. Ah, didnt know that, thanks for the heads up. Its unfortunate then. Cause reading the book made me care (or hate) even more some of the characters I already met in game. In fact, on my second playthrough (and after reading the book) i feel like i have a lot more insight about the characters and my choices will change because of it. It's a shame they didnt go the extra mile to make sure the authors of the book had everything they needed to make it a seemless transition from book to game. Still enjoyed reading it a lot. And the insight into the leadership of the Nexus was greatly appreciated. Cant wait till they give us an option in the future to space Tann. Or at the very least put him into cryo for indefinite ammount of time
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Post by NRieh on Apr 21, 2017 8:13:47 GMT
We don't Id bodies 'at sight', and we had not even settled the Mars yet. To me this case has the only possible explaination, it's been mentioned here (I think). It's SAM. Any human\alien\whatever has no reasons to keep all the secrecy. Imagine they're left behind, and Jien knows that 'this terrible person from 600 years back had given me money'...so..uhh..ok? They're 500 years dead by now. May be aging (if that's asari or krogan...that's if you can imagine krogan with unlimited money). OR A man comes out and says 'hi, I'm a benefactor, I gave you the money 600 years ago'. So what? Well, nothing. It's not like he\she\they have any priveleges in Andromeda, they are just one of many here. Hardly even a good reason to replace Tann the Annoying. May be they are going to get along with each other, may be they are going to space this 'benefactor' out and give them a 'fresh start'. No fucking reason to remove Jien (other than being 200% paranoind and killing her 'just in case'). Now, if we assume that SAM had something to do with it - everything works smoothly. 1. AI is capabale of getting the money, ME1 had made it clear, and that was just a single crappy amateur programming. 2. AI has ALL the reasons to keep its 'identity' hidden well. - Imagine MW (especially - quarians) hearig about an AI advanced enough to pull such a project off, especially after geth show up again. - Imagine Nexus realizing that they are all basically a sandbox for the AI studies. I'd imagine the magnitude of that witch-hunt.. 3. AI\SAM has ways of faking the burned body ID. (I don't believe Sloan was only identifying the body 'at sight'- writing can't be that sloppy). 4. Sam is capable of 'accidentally' waking up the crew during the Scourge encounter. 5. All those talks about 'the new universe, where AI and people can live together' (aka 'strenghts of both, weaknesses of none') 6. Had you even looked at the mission logo? It says - AI! We don't know who's the man in Jien's room, though. But I don't think it's impossible for SAM to talk someone into the murder...(if not manipulate directly).
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Post by Light on Apr 21, 2017 9:02:33 GMT
But there is no SAM on the Nexus, only one on each Arc.
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Post by NRieh on Apr 21, 2017 13:04:52 GMT
But there is no SAM on the Nexus, only one on each Arc. Says who?
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Post by Fogg on Apr 21, 2017 16:49:02 GMT
We don't Id bodies 'at sight', and we had not even settled the Mars yet. To me this case has the only possible explaination, it's been mentioned here (I think). It's SAM. Any human\alien\whatever has no reasons to keep all the secrecy. Imagine they're left behind, and Jien knows that 'this terrible person from 600 years back had given me money'...so..uhh..ok? They're 500 years dead by now. May be aging (if that's asari or krogan...that's if you can imagine krogan with unlimited money). OR A man comes out and says 'hi, I'm a benefactor, I gave you the money 600 years ago'. So what? Well, nothing. It's not like he\she\they have any priveleges in Andromeda, they are just one of many here. Hardly even a good reason to replace Tann the Annoying. May be they are going to get along with each other, may be they are going to space this 'benefactor' out and give them a 'fresh start'. No fucking reason to remove Jien (other than being 200% paranoind and killing her 'just in case'). Now, if we assume that SAM had something to do with it - everything works smoothly. 1. AI is capabale of getting the money, ME1 had made it clear, and that was just a single crappy amateur programming. 2. AI has ALL the reasons to keep its 'identity' hidden well. - Imagine MW (especially - quarians) hearig about an AI advanced enough to pull such a project off, especially after geth show up again. - Imagine Nexus realizing that they are all basically a sandbox for the AI studies. I'd imagine the magnitude of that witch-hunt.. 3. AI\SAM has ways of faking the burned body ID. (I don't believe Sloan was only identifying the body 'at sight'- writing can't be that sloppy). 4. Sam is capable of 'accidentally' waking up the crew during the Scourge encounter. 5. All those talks about 'the new universe, where AI and people can live together' (aka 'strenghts of both, weaknesses of none') 6. Had you even looked at the mission logo? It says - AI! We don't know who's the man in Jien's room, though. But I don't think it's impossible for SAM to talk someone into the murder...(if not manipulate directly). Pretty cool theory!
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 22, 2017 13:32:58 GMT
I haven't read the book, so I don't if she was even awake at the time, but there's something off about Addison... (and please, no jokes about The Face)
I started another playthrough yesterday and after establishing the outpost on Eos if you take a more negative attitude with her and then answer using the logical (I think? The one that is usually in the upper right corner anyhow) choice, she averts her gaze and says in an almost remorseful tone 'I know what I came here to be, like she's alluding to something else altogether.
Not saying she's the killer or the Benefactor, but she knows more than she's letting on. OR most likely it's just that I don't like her character and thus am reading into things in the hopes of getting a chance to take her down a notch or ten hahah.
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