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Post by NRieh on Jun 11, 2017 8:18:26 GMT
I assume that 'it' means 'the video conference connection' in this case, not the benefactor. Reyes theory - I hope not, but all the Reyes-mancers can dream, fine. To me he's nothing like a 'shadow broker' or TIM, he can barely control his own people on the base, and he allowed his ex- to threaten him. As for that man standing over her body - scans don't actually show anything other than just standing. Nothing indicates that he was the murderer. It could technically even be Reyes, discovering the body, it does not explain the murder itself. Or it can be a random guy who did not survive the ongoing events.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 11, 2017 9:13:35 GMT
I assume that 'it' means 'the video conference connection' in this case, not the benefactor. Reyes theory - I hope not, but all the Reyes-mancers can dream, fine. To me he's nothing like a 'shadow broker' or TIM, he can barely control his own people on the base, and he allowed his ex- to threaten him. As for that man standing over her body - scans don't actually show anything other than just standing. Nothing indicates that he was the murderer. It could technically even be Reyes, discovering the body, it does not explain the murder itself. Or it can be a random guy who did not survive the ongoing events. I don't think the people who are suggesting Reyes think he is the Benefactor, but more he works as an agent for the Benefactor.
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Post by Pokemario on Jun 11, 2017 10:07:19 GMT
It was Avina, obviously
EDIT: WAIT, GUYS. It must have been Suvi. Think about it, she acts way too nice and she's not that important to the overall plot. She must be behind it!
On a serious note, I do think that SAM is eventually going to turn into a bad guy because of self-interest, so... maybe him? Orrr they might push the "Director Tann is a ****" thing going on in MEA and reveal that he was the murderer.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 11, 2017 15:34:57 GMT
I don't buy the theory SAM is the Benefactor.
SAM gains nothing from killing of Jien Garson, depended on Alec getting killed randomly, still would have allowed Ryder to discover Jien was murdered, too damn risky as SAM is stuck in Hyperion and depends heavily on being linked to a Pathfinder, A.I.'s in ME universe never shown to have desire of power and control of organics and so on.
SAM as The Benefactor might have make sense as a overall goal to save Ellen Ryder, as in help to fund Andromeda Initiative by stealing credits and pretend to be a rich persona backing the project. But that's where it ends. Entire power tripping thing makes no sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 15:37:14 GMT
I honestly want to say Reyes was the killer, but only because of the scan showing it was a male human, and how even if he wins Kadara, he refuses to show himself. I wouldn't say he's running due to murdering her though, I think if the Benefactor is tying up loose ends, he's next.
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Post by Seven Zettabytes on Jun 11, 2017 17:16:44 GMT
I like the theory of the geth being the benefactor. It would tie in with the benefactor being able to get into systems, the killer being awake when the scourge hit, having knowledge about the reapers, the way the benefactor uses multiple faces to represent itself, its interest in SAM, and the reason why it remains hidden. Didn't the Initiative use geth tech to discover Andromeda planets? Perhaps they had been studying Andromeda for a while already. They could have discovered the remnant - I'm sure they would be very interested in them. And wouldn't the geth have noticed that their tech was being used? It might also explain why there is trouble on the quarian arc that wasn't resolved in the main game - there's something else going on that isn't just the Kett or the Scourge.
That said, I suspect that the benefactor is in Andromeda. That would not be easy for the geth to pull off. Unless they uploaded themselves into something else (quarian suits?). I just can't think of a reason why the geth would help organics reach Andromeda.
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Post by evhgear on Jun 11, 2017 17:47:37 GMT
Reyes the Benefactor ? mmm... plausible but not shure. Yes, the Charlatan role shows is pretty good behind de scenes, but why would he wanted Jien dead ? Why would he wanted the uprising ? what would benefict him to leave as an exile ? For me there's too much variables that doesn't makes sense for me with the actual info we've got. Maybe he actually worked for him. I could also believe that Sloanne Kelly is/was an agent/working for the Benefactor, in the uprising event, but Reyes, I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2017 17:49:15 GMT
Reyes the Benefactor ? mmm... plausible but not shure. Yes, the Charlatan role shows is pretty good behind de scenes, but why would he wanted Jien dead ? Why would he wanted the uprising ? what would benefict him to leave as an exile ? For me there's too much variables that doesn't makes sense for me with the actual info we've got. Maybe he actually worked for him. I could also believe that Sloanne Kelly is/was an agent/working for the Benefactor, in the uprising event, but Reyes, I don't know. I think he killed her, but the Benefactor was going to kill him next to tie up loose ends. Chances are Alec was next too.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Jun 13, 2017 4:42:58 GMT
I'm not discarding Reyes. I mean, 1 year in Andromeda and he already has that kind of connection, resources and people? For Sloane, I understand since there was that whole Nexus Rebellion plot. And to top that he can't be in any way killed, so it's 100% sure he'll appear in a future DLC or a sequel. But then again, they could do the ME3 E-mail thing. Oh, my dear Emily Wong
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 9, 2017 19:44:03 GMT
I want to bump this, because it's a very interesting thread and I'm still hopeful for a DLC to come out.
So, I just got the Nexus Insurrection Uprising Novel and holy shit Addison. Needing to go to the restroom and all, but the part that got my atention she was supposed to be after Jien Garson in the line of succession, but mysteriously a list appeared that put some other names and the last one of them being Tann and she got like "WTF", sorta expecting the role of Director.
Or maybe I'm reading too much into Addison's personality. Quoting Shepard "Are you naturally this bitchy, or is it just me?"
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Post by Serza on Aug 9, 2017 20:40:45 GMT
Yeah, I also found the book recently (not done reading yet) and that is sorta fishy...
But I think SAM indicated the murderer was a human male?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2017 20:49:51 GMT
I want to bump this, because it's a very interesting thread and I'm still hopeful for a DLC to come out. So, I just got the Nexus Insurrection Novel and holy shit Addison. Needing to go to the restroom and all, but the part that got my atention she was supposed to be after Jien Garson in the line of succession, but mysteriously a list appeared that put some other names and the last one of them being Tann and she got like "WTF", sorta expecting the role of Director. Or maybe I'm reading too much into Addison's personality. Quoting Shepard "Are you naturally this bitchy, or is it just me?" I don't think it is Addison. I can see why people suspect her, but I think that is a red herring. After all she says multiple times how she does not want the kind of job involving things like a public face, so Jien's job would be everything she doesn't want. Plus we already did the whole politician betrays us with Udina.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Aug 9, 2017 21:02:17 GMT
I want to bump this, because it's a very interesting thread and I'm still hopeful for a DLC to come out. So, I just got the Nexus Insurrection Novel and holy shit Addison. Needing to go to the restroom and all, but the part that got my atention she was supposed to be after Jien Garson in the line of succession, but mysteriously a list appeared that put some other names and the last one of them being Tann and she got like "WTF", sorta expecting the role of Director. Or maybe I'm reading too much into Addison's personality. Quoting Shepard "Are you naturally this bitchy, or is it just me?" I think you mean you are reading the Nexus Uprising novel...I got all excited because I thought a new novel was out called Nexus Insurrection. Looking forward to more books.
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Post by dazk on Aug 9, 2017 23:46:05 GMT
I don't buy the theory SAM is the Benefactor. SAM gains nothing from killing of Jien Garson, depended on Alec getting killed randomly, still would have allowed Ryder to discover Jien was murdered, too damn risky as SAM is stuck in Hyperion and depends heavily on being linked to a Pathfinder, A.I.'s in ME universe never shown to have desire of power and control of organics and so on. SAM as The Benefactor might have make sense as a overall goal to save Ellen Ryder, as in help to fund Andromeda Initiative by stealing credits and pretend to be a rich persona backing the project. But that's where it ends. Entire power tripping thing makes no sense. The main reason for SAM murdering (or having someone murder) Jien would be that she was becoming suspicious of who the benefactor was and if it was SAM then his motive would be to stop being discovered as the benefactor. In the other Benefactor thread, there are also ideas that SAM and The Geth may be the benefactor and that'd be another motive to stop Jien making any further investigation into the benefactor.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 10, 2017 2:35:53 GMT
I want to bump this, because it's a very interesting thread and I'm still hopeful for a DLC to come out. So, I just got the Nexus Insurrection Novel and holy shit Addison. Needing to go to the restroom and all, but the part that got my atention she was supposed to be after Jien Garson in the line of succession, but mysteriously a list appeared that put some other names and the last one of them being Tann and she got like "WTF", sorta expecting the role of Director. Or maybe I'm reading too much into Addison's personality. Quoting Shepard "Are you naturally this bitchy, or is it just me?" I think you mean you are reading the Nexus Uprising novel...I got all excited because I thought a new novel was out called Nexus Insurrection. Looking forward to more books. Oops, I'm very sorry I mixed up the Portuguese (Insurreição na Nexus) and English titles (Nexus Uprising) Fixed it
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 10, 2017 2:59:03 GMT
I want to bump this, because it's a very interesting thread and I'm still hopeful for a DLC to come out. So, I just got the Nexus Insurrection Novel and holy shit Addison. Needing to go to the restroom and all, but the part that got my atention she was supposed to be after Jien Garson in the line of succession, but mysteriously a list appeared that put some other names and the last one of them being Tann and she got like "WTF", sorta expecting the role of Director. Or maybe I'm reading too much into Addison's personality. Quoting Shepard "Are you naturally this bitchy, or is it just me?" I don't think it is Addison. I can see why people suspect her, but I think that is a red herring. After all she says multiple times how she does not want the kind of job involving things like a public face, so Jien's job would be everything she doesn't want. Plus we already did the whole politician betrays us with Udina. Well, she could lie, of course. Let's pretend we know it was her, then her plan backfired. Of course she would say she wouldn't want anything with a public face, but she still aplied to Colonial Affairs. In Andromeda! A new galaxy where *everything* needs to be sorted for colonization and need to have her decisions and what not aboard. Plus, Jien had more of a public face because of the whole Andromeda Initiative. If everything went smoothly, Addison wouldn't need to do much, thus not needing a public face, at all. Addison didn't expect the Scourge, no one did. That's a fact. The plan to kill Garson was already in effect after they left the Milky Way. So, Scourge or not, Jienn would be a goner and Addison would be left. Problem is, the list that appeared out of nowhere and had no records of it, putting Tann on the head of the Andromeda Initative. Maybe Addison herself did that after knowing how there would be major BS-Storm after the Scourge hit and there had to be a spokesperson for that. I'm not saying Addison is the direct killer ( if the scans show 82% conclusive for a man standing on Garson's apartment is *actually* conclusive), but she did order the hit. Where is Addison's assistant in all this? Vladimir? The book says that an entire section was empty(Garson herself left the stasis pods on her own and went on). On the book, she is constantly worrying about the line of succession, when even Tann, with his step-by-step thing and "protocol" is not and he sincerely doesn't want the job. Plus, the whole "I had to go the... toilet" and being naturally snarky with Sloane isn't really helping her here. Then, there's the issue with recycling plot (I don't see it like that), but these are whole different motives, people and ocasion.
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Post by Croatsky on Aug 10, 2017 6:42:51 GMT
The main reason for SAM murdering (or having someone murder) Jien would be that she was becoming suspicious of who the benefactor was and if it was SAM then his motive would be to stop being discovered as the benefactor. In the other Benefactor thread, there are also ideas that SAM and The Geth may be the benefactor and that'd be another motive to stop Jien making any further investigation into the benefactor. Except SAM didn't arrive to Andromeda until 14 months AFTER Jien Garson was murdered. SAM is not part of the Nexus, he is part of Hyperion. And we know there is no direct connection between Nexus and Arks, so there's no possibility for SAM to be able to murder her. Also it makes no sense, why would SAM then allow Ryder to learn about the Benefactor? Hell, he could have lied to Ryder and just confirm official story Garson died by the Scourge. So really, SAM lacks the means to kill her, has an alibi for being in Hyperion that came 14 months late and his cooperation in independent murder investigation make it cut clear he is not involved.
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Post by rma2110 on Aug 10, 2017 8:35:12 GMT
It was Avina, obviously EDIT: WAIT, GUYS. It must have been Suvi. Think about it, she acts way too nice and she's not that important to the overall plot. She must be behind it! On a serious note, I do think that SAM is eventually going to turn into a bad guy because of self-interest, so... maybe him? Orrr they might push the "Director Tann is a ****" thing going on in MEA and reveal that he was the murderer. Yeah, I mean Suvi told us that she was only awakened after the whole mess with the uprising and exiles, but it's all lies. No one can possibly that nice or adorable. The last time we had a character who seemed sugary sweet she turned out to be a spy! (and not as innocent as we thought lol!) One of the first thing Ryder can ask Suvi is "Are you spying on me?" Suvi says she's not into politics and is only in it for Science. Yeah, right! Haha! I'm only kidding. I love Suvi and would love a little book about she survived the mess until she was assigned to the Tempest. from the little she tells it, it gets pretty bleak. She was part of group that was supposed to create a plan assign resources. Can you imagine saying this one has to starve but we need this one to live so they get food? Oh, we're also probably going to starve before the plants in hydo grow. (PS: It was Vetra lol)
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Post by dazk on Aug 10, 2017 9:27:06 GMT
The main reason for SAM murdering (or having someone murder) Jien would be that she was becoming suspicious of who the benefactor was and if it was SAM then his motive would be to stop being discovered as the benefactor. In the other Benefactor thread, there are also ideas that SAM and The Geth may be the benefactor and that'd be another motive to stop Jien making any further investigation into the benefactor. Except SAM didn't arrive to Andromeda until 14 months AFTER Jien Garson was murdered. SAM is not part of the Nexus, he is part of Hyperion. And we know there is no direct connection between Nexus and Arks, so there's no possibility for SAM to be able to murder her. Also it makes no sense, why would SAM then allow Ryder to learn about the Benefactor? Hell, he could have lied to Ryder and just confirm official story Garson died by the Scourge. So really, SAM lacks the means to kill her, has an alibi for being in Hyperion that came 14 months late and his cooperation in independent murder investigation make it cut clear he is not involved. It could have been premeditated, before they left the MW? He is developing a conscience, hence the question to Ryder about developing laws for AI.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 11, 2017 12:43:36 GMT
I think Addison is suspicious, but I don't think she killed Jien or is the Benefactor. I think she got close to whoever killed Jien and knows more than she lets on. Sloane finds her in 00 where the other members of the science team and Nexus leaders would have been, but by her admission, they are all in Ops except Jien who was elsewhere. I think we're meant to suspect her, but if she was capable of offing Jien Garson, you'd think that she would have killed Sloane early on. Sloane is a skilled investigator, and that would have been apparent from the moment Addison met her. Addison's reaction to Jien's death doesn't make me suspect her, same with Tann being put in succession (Sloane has the same reaction since she would have been next in line after Addison, and then Kesh). Addison also seems to worship Jien Garson almost like a messiah.
If we're just throwing out theories, what about Keri T'Vessa? We don't know how long she was awake, her apartment is across from where Jien's body was found, and she seems oddly blase about the Nexus being attacked by the Kett to the point where she tells Ryder that she wasn't afraid of them at all. This after telling Ryder beforehand that she is just an "ordinary person" and not up to facing the dangers that the Pathfinder does. Was she throwing barriers and bolts with Nexus security? Are her biotics that honed?
She's an asari aristocrat and descended from diplomats that disowned her for taking pictures? What sort of pictures was she taking to warrant being disowned by her family? From the beginning, I always have suspected more to this story.
According to Nexus Uprising, Keri would have been considered non-essential personnel, unless she had some sort of technical skill that would have helped the Nexus. So, she had to have been awake for the Scourge disaster and the Uprising, thawed out for another skill, or Tann would have had to specifically wake her from cryo because he needed an independent vidmaker to be his mouthpiece' that wasn't Davis, unless he got the recommendation from Addison. Being asari high society, Keri would be in position to know Addison more than Tann. Especially if Addison is connected to David Anderson, which there is an allusion that she might be.
It would also be in her interest, if she was connected somehow, to seduce Ryder. I'm also wondering how connected she is to Captain Atandra and Sarissa. During the asari ark mission, I noticed some odd interactions between them.
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Post by rma2110 on Aug 13, 2017 12:06:00 GMT
I think Addison is suspicious, but I don't think she killed Jien or is the Benefactor. I think she got close to whoever killed Jien and knows more than she lets on. Sloane finds her in 00 where the other members of the science team and Nexus leaders would have been, but by her admission, they are all in Ops except Jien who was elsewhere. I think we're meant to suspect her, but if she was capable of offing Jien Garson, you'd think that she would have killed Sloane early on. Sloane is a skilled investigator, and that would have been apparent from the moment Addison met her. Addison's reaction to Jien's death doesn't make me suspect her, same with Tann being put in succession (Sloane has the same reaction since she would have been next in line after Addison, and then Kesh). Addison also seems to worship Jien Garson almost like a messiah. If we're just throwing out theories, what about Keri T'Vessa? We don't know how long she was awake, her apartment is across from where Jien's body was found, and she seems oddly blase about the Nexus being attacked by the Kett to the point where she tells Ryder that she wasn't afraid of them at all. This after telling Ryder beforehand that she is just an "ordinary person" and not up to facing the dangers that the Pathfinder does. Was she throwing barriers and bolts with Nexus security? Are her biotics that honed? She's an asari aristocrat and descended from diplomats that disowned her for taking pictures? What sort of pictures was she taking to warrant being disowned by her family? From the beginning, I always have suspected more to this story. According to Nexus Uprising, Keri would have been considered non-essential personnel, unless she had some sort of technical skill that would have helped the Nexus. So, she had to have been awake for the Scourge disaster and the Uprising, thawed out for another skill, or Tann would have had to specifically wake her from cryo because he needed an independent vidmaker to be his mouthpiece' that wasn't Davis, unless he got the recommendation from Addison. Being asari high society, Keri would be in position to know Addison more than Tann. Especially if Addison is connected to David Anderson, which there is an allusion that she might be. It would also be in her interest, if she was connected somehow, to seduce Ryder. I'm also wondering how connected she is to Captain Atandra and Sarissa. During the asari ark mission, I noticed some odd interactions between them. Wait ... Do we know some other Asari aristocrat who had connections enough to get someone out of cryo early? PeeBee's Ex. Kalinda. Kinda interesting don't you think? Why were they not with the Asari Ark?
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 14, 2017 19:04:35 GMT
I think Addison is suspicious, but I don't think she killed Jien or is the Benefactor. I think she got close to whoever killed Jien and knows more than she lets on. Sloane finds her in 00 where the other members of the science team and Nexus leaders would have been, but by her admission, they are all in Ops except Jien who was elsewhere. I think we're meant to suspect her, but if she was capable of offing Jien Garson, you'd think that she would have killed Sloane early on. Sloane is a skilled investigator, and that would have been apparent from the moment Addison met her. Addison's reaction to Jien's death doesn't make me suspect her, same with Tann being put in succession (Sloane has the same reaction since she would have been next in line after Addison, and then Kesh). Addison also seems to worship Jien Garson almost like a messiah. If we're just throwing out theories, what about Keri T'Vessa? We don't know how long she was awake, her apartment is across from where Jien's body was found, and she seems oddly blase about the Nexus being attacked by the Kett to the point where she tells Ryder that she wasn't afraid of them at all. This after telling Ryder beforehand that she is just an "ordinary person" and not up to facing the dangers that the Pathfinder does. Was she throwing barriers and bolts with Nexus security? Are her biotics that honed? She's an asari aristocrat and descended from diplomats that disowned her for taking pictures? What sort of pictures was she taking to warrant being disowned by her family? From the beginning, I always have suspected more to this story. According to Nexus Uprising, Keri would have been considered non-essential personnel, unless she had some sort of technical skill that would have helped the Nexus. So, she had to have been awake for the Scourge disaster and the Uprising, thawed out for another skill, or Tann would have had to specifically wake her from cryo because he needed an independent vidmaker to be his mouthpiece' that wasn't Davis, unless he got the recommendation from Addison. Being asari high society, Keri would be in position to know Addison more than Tann. Especially if Addison is connected to David Anderson, which there is an allusion that she might be. It would also be in her interest, if she was connected somehow, to seduce Ryder. I'm also wondering how connected she is to Captain Atandra and Sarissa. During the asari ark mission, I noticed some odd interactions between them. Wait ... Do we know some other Asari aristocrat who had connections enough to get someone out of cryo early? PeeBee's Ex. Kalinda. Kinda interesting don't you think? Why were they not with the Asari Ark? Uh huh. It should also be noted that Keri's apartment is next door to Peebee's, and I suspect that Peebee shared with Kalinda at some point. The other thing I wonder is how Kalinda got out. Was she one of the ones that Falarn broke out, or was there more than one case of unauthorized defrostings? Falarn was busted out with Addison's credentials, too. Another interesting thing I caught while I was on a re-play this weekend: Addison actually indirectly laments Sloane's departure as Security Director early on. I have this weird suspicion that Addison actually liked Sloane, and may have been trying to spare her by being combative and closed off when Sloane tried to press her for her whereabouts after she was found looking for Jien (allegedly), knowing that if Sloane uncovered the truth that would put her at risk.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 14, 2017 19:26:13 GMT
Inosha T'Rynn How dare you slander Keri! Anyway, we know it isn't an asari since SAM's scan shows that it is a male, not a female, that killed Jien.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 14, 2017 19:31:05 GMT
Wait ... Do we know some other Asari aristocrat who had connections enough to get someone out of cryo early? PeeBee's Ex. Kalinda. Kinda interesting don't you think? Why were they not with the Asari Ark? Kalinda wasn't on the Ark but the Nexus because she was selected to be a first contact specialist due to her diplomatic background. As for Keri, she probably had a similar role for a similar reason or due to her being a reporter she was brought out as part of a propaganda move to keep everyone calm, though as we know she prefers the truth to that.
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Post by Inosha T'Rynn on Aug 14, 2017 21:40:44 GMT
Inosha T'Rynn How dare you slander Keri! Anyway, we know it isn't an asari since SAM's scan shows that it is a male, not a female, that killed Jien. According to Jien's testimony there was more than one person involved. The scan may not show asari, but it wouldn't be hard for an asari to be out of the field of view. Not slandering, just spitballing about possibilities. I don't actually suspect her. Some her dialogue actually betrays the idea she was awake the whole time, and she's too honest to lie. You know I love her, but as a writer, it's fun to throw around characters. Davis was also up. So, why not just use him? He talks as though he is Keri's boss, and it sounds like he has been awake longer than she has been. Did he turn down Tann or did Tann underestimate Keri? I do not see Keri being awakened without Addison and Kesh throwing a tizzy, unless Tann convinced them somehow, or she was already awake.
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