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Post by congokong on May 31, 2017 0:41:24 GMT
I saved Raeka and company. For me, it wasn't an obvious choice (there are definitely reasons to save the scouts), but rather the obviously professional one. As a Pathfinder, I looked at this from a military standpoint, whether or not it technically was one. Raeka was higher up in the chain of command than the scouts and more tactically valuable. In the moment, that's what I considered.
All the other factors people argue like Raeka being so vital because she stabilized her homeworld's biodiversity, how her SAM implant could be valuable to the Archon, how the salarians were civilians while the scouts weren't, blah blah, weren't even considered at the time.
Many choose the scouts simply because they want to please Drack and can't bare disappointing him, but I don't care about his feelings. Like Wrex, I cannot overlook the fact that he's essentially a former pirate/mercenary murderer who deserves a bullet for all the people he's surely hurt in his love of war. Thus, I can't ever get too attached as a moral Ryder. Also, Drack's absolute indifference to losing Raeka and those other salarians, while Raeka feels guilt if you instead save her, only makes him even less sympathetic. "Focus on what went right," you racist hypocrite.
Regardless, it goes back to treating this from a military outlook. In my view, your crew's wants shouldn't come before the priorities of the Initiative. If you do otherwise, you're failing as a Pathfinder.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 31, 2017 2:25:46 GMT
I saved Raeka and company. For me, it wasn't an obvious choice (there are definitely reasons to save the scouts), but rather the obviously professional one. As a Pathfinder, I looked at this from a military standpoint, whether or not it technically was one. Raeka was higher up in the chain of command than the scouts and more tactically valuable. In the moment, that's what I considered. All the other factors people argue like Raeka being so vital because she stabilized her homeworld's biodiversity, how her SAM implant could be valuable to the Archon, how the salarians were civilians while the scouts weren't, blah blah, weren't even considered at the time. Many choose the scouts simply because they want to please Drack and can't bare disappointing him, but I don't care about his feelings. Like Wrex, I cannot overlook the fact that he's essentially a former pirate/mercenary murderer who deserves a bullet for all the people he's surely hurt in his love of war. Thus, I can't ever get too attached as a moral Ryder. Also, Drack's absolute indifference to losing Raeka and those other salarians, while Raeka feels guilt if you instead save her, only makes him even less sympathetic. "Focus on what went right," you racist hypocrite.Regardless, it goes back to treating this from a military outlook. In my view, your crew's wants shouldn't come before the priorities of the Initiative. If you do otherwise, you're failing as a Pathfinder. I saved the scouts for the first time to see how the story changes, and the difference in reactions is huge. Yes, it was a fate worse than death for those krogan, but Raeka wasn't alone either (iirc she found some civilians out of cryo I think) and we already saw the kett dissecting and experimenting on salarians while still conscious. So, whoever's left behind is getting screwed either way. Hayjer and Kallo were sad about Raeka, but extremely understanding that Ryder had to make a difficult choice. Tann accused Ryder of sentimentality, but seemed to brush off the choice after Ryder apologized (whatever that means for Tann). Contrast with Drack and even Kesh, and you see who cares about the bigger picture. And I still think Drack should have gone off to save his scouts if he was on the mission.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 2, 2017 17:28:57 GMT
So on the Hunting the Archon mission who did you choose? I choose the Salarians so I could have an experienced pathfinder. Man was Drack pissed.
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Post by traks on Jun 2, 2017 17:37:25 GMT
Keeping the Salarian pathfinder alive is an easy choice for me. Didn't get why characters in game make that decision about Salarians vs. Krogan. That's not what this situation is about. The last original pathfinder surely is someone to protect for me.
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Post by alihou on Jun 2, 2017 18:19:18 GMT
It's not even a question, one pathfinder is important than some random scouts. Easiest choice in the game.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 2, 2017 18:27:58 GMT
Raeka can restore the biological diversity of a planet. The scouts are...scouts.
This was such an easy choice. I only wish I could cap Drack in the kneecaps when he gave me crap about it.
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Post by Hawke on Jun 2, 2017 19:24:56 GMT
Clear choice for me - civilians > military. And Raeka was valuable as an experienced Pathfinder (the last of the original ones) and as a scientist (the research on biodiversity).
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Post by Mir Aven on Jun 2, 2017 19:49:28 GMT
I chose the salarians. The Initiative needs at least one experianced Pathfinder and Raeka is trustworthy in contrast to Sarissa. Plus Raeka saved your life a little while earlier so I would feel shitty to just leave her to die, that and I just plain like her.
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Post by griffith82 on Jun 3, 2017 2:29:56 GMT
Keeping the Salarian pathfinder alive is an easy choice for me. Didn't get why characters in game make that decision about Salarians vs. Krogan. That's not what this situation is about. The last original pathfinder surely is someone to protect for me. Well it's quite obvious. Salarians and Krogan each other hate they do. Genophage cured it is not. Allies they did not become.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2017 2:36:48 GMT
I've done both. These days I choose Krogan because there were not that many of them and drack takes it very personally which I can see why he would. I really wish we had heard something about his missing krogan though before that. I know it would have been sort of suspected the kett got them, but I think finding them on the ship would have still been a surprise.
I did the save the pathfinder thing a few times but in the end, they all just stand there in the pathfinder hall so it's not like you save them to go out and bust their asses like you do. Knowing that I'm like 'meh, pathfinder.' Ryder does it all. They do nothing. Not. one. Thing. Oh wait. They shield dunn if all four are there. So three pathfinders can save one dunn and my ryder can do everything else. Go team. I'll keep saving the krogan though I do like to hear the salarians show up for the final run more. Sounds better to me.
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Post by Croatsky on Jun 3, 2017 13:40:01 GMT
I choose Salarians on my main playthrough. Keeping at least one original Pathfinder alive was my top priority, even though it is a terrible loss for krogans who's numbers on Andromeda are less then a 1,000.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 3, 2017 13:45:47 GMT
Dunn dies if you don't save the pathfinder??
I saved the krogan. And then I picked a krogan representative. Because the only species this whole journey makes any sort of sense for are the krogan to start over. So my Ryder gave them a chance to have a different fate in Andromeda. And Drack's appreciation was well worth it.
So all I was left with were step-ins and as far as I know Dunn survived in my game. After the crash I got her voice saying she made it.
Had no idea anybody could die in this game. Huh.
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 4, 2017 15:37:27 GMT
Dunn dies if you don't save the pathfinder?? I saved the krogan. And then I picked a krogan representative. Because the only species this whole journey makes any sort of sense for are the krogan to start over. So my Ryder gave them a chance to have a different fate in Andromeda. And Drack's appreciation was well worth it. So all I was left with were step-ins and as far as I know Dunn survived in my game. After the crash I got her voice saying she made it. Had no idea anybody could die in this game. Huh. You need three Pathfinders. So you need to do the asari ark and tell Avitus to go in the role. The krogan just want a war. Starting over makes no sense if you can't remember the reason why you're starting over in the first place.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jun 4, 2017 16:12:12 GMT
Either choice has the potential to make you feel bad, since someone dies either way. I saved the Krogans once but I feel that saving the Salarians is the choice all my other Pathfinders will make. As much as I don't like fighting exhaulted Krogans, I get sick of Kesh and Drack not seeming to care about anyone but the Krogans. Saving a Pathfinder (who has a worthy replacement if something happens to her later) and civilian Salarians, seems like the right thing to do for my Ryders.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 4, 2017 22:36:21 GMT
Dunn dies if you don't save the pathfinder?? I saved the krogan. And then I picked a krogan representative. Because the only species this whole journey makes any sort of sense for are the krogan to start over. So my Ryder gave them a chance to have a different fate in Andromeda. And Drack's appreciation was well worth it. So all I was left with were step-ins and as far as I know Dunn survived in my game. After the crash I got her voice saying she made it. Had no idea anybody could die in this game. Huh. You need three Pathfinders. So you need to do the asari ark and tell Avitus to go in the role. The krogan just want a war. Starting over makes no sense if you can't remember the reason why you're starting over in the first place. Ah ok. So it's only necessary to do these side quests though and find the arcs. No matter who you save, a new pathfinder is selected anyway, right?
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 4, 2017 22:37:37 GMT
You need three Pathfinders. So you need to do the asari ark and tell Avitus to go in the role. The krogan just want a war. Starting over makes no sense if you can't remember the reason why you're starting over in the first place. Ah ok. So it's only necessary to do these side quests though and find the arcs. No matter who you save, a new pathfinder is selected anyway, right? For the salarians? No. Hayjer will accept if Raeka dies, she'll stay the Pathfinder if she survives. There's no input or choice.
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Post by Obadiah on Jun 6, 2017 5:20:30 GMT
Ok, this time I saved the Krogan and surprisingly, almost no one, even Kallo and Tann, seemed to care too much about Raeka. Weird.
I swear, the first time Drack even mentioned he had scouts to me was when the decision to save them came up. What gives? Does he talk about the scouts before hand? Do they come up if you do his loyalty mission first or something?
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Post by duskwanderer on Jun 6, 2017 11:22:37 GMT
Ok, this time I saved the Krogan and surprisingly, almost no one, even Kallo and Tann, seemed to care too much about Raeka. Weird. I swear, the first time Drack even mentioned he had scouts to me was when the decision to save them came up. What gives? Does he talk about the scouts before hand? Do they come up if you do his loyalty mission first or something? He mentions them when you recruit him way back on Eos. It's almost a throwaway line, but he does. I think the real reason no one cares is because the devs wanted you to think picking the krogan was the "right" decision.
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Post by hammerstorm on Jun 6, 2017 13:25:24 GMT
Ok, this time I saved the Krogan and surprisingly, almost no one, even Kallo and Tann, seemed to care too much about Raeka. Weird. I swear, the first time Drack even mentioned he had scouts to me was when the decision to save them came up. What gives? Does he talk about the scouts before hand? Do they come up if you do his loyalty mission first or something? As far as I know he only mention them in banter with other crewmember in the field, and the only thing that I remember where it was foreshadow-ish is when Cora (I think) tells him thats she had seen some of his scouts, and he replies that if she saw them they had to been dead.
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Post by Beerfish on Jun 6, 2017 14:07:55 GMT
I just finished the game the other night, yeah that was a tough one I choose the Salarians simply because of their pathfinder.
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Post by pipip on Jun 9, 2017 22:55:49 GMT
I felt terrible, because I had Drack with me. And then I remembered that in the Mass Effect Universe, the happiness of Krogans is always inversely proportional to the happiness of Salarians. So I ignored him and went on.
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Post by SilentK on Jun 13, 2017 20:52:18 GMT
I went with Raeka, wanted at least one of the original pathfinders around. Forgot that they had civilians as well which would be a bonus for getting them out. At some point I will save the krogans just to see that version but it will be difficult to leave Raeka behind because I really came to like her a lot.
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Post by dazk on Jun 14, 2017 0:39:21 GMT
So I just did this mission again and even though last time Drack's rant pissed me off I still chose Raeka.
I had Drack in the party and he vents a bit then but it sort of made his actions later more ignorable, plus he himself agrees on mission that we "owe her one" for coming to Ryder's aid during the mission.
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Post by gplayer on Jun 14, 2017 7:26:08 GMT
For Dunn to survive you need Sarissa as Pathfinder and for her to be happy with you. This means you did not rat her out, or you ratted her out and kept her as pathfinder, and then saught her out in pathfinder hall and patched things up. So saving Dunn is not part of this equation.
These Krogan are not led by someone with Wrex's ability to learn from the past or Eve's determination to build a real future for her people. The Krogan were never supposed to be in Andromeda and were some late addition by Jien Gerson - but in reality added as fan service. I loved Wrex, I headbutted my way through Tuchanka for Grunt, but these are not the same Krogan. After I gave them the drive core and saved the seed vault, they can take care of their own scouts. I am not their waterboy.
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