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Post by sdzald on Apr 6, 2017 15:57:29 GMT
I hated Pibbi in her mission. So I shot her fucking girl friend. I enjoyed that. Anyone who repeatedly sends squads of mercs to kill me and my squad mates gets NO mercy, and screw Peebee if she didn't like it. If I had my way I would kick her off the Tempest and not long after Liam. I really do wish we had like 9 or 10 characters we were allowed to pick to fill those 6 slots on Tempest.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 6, 2017 22:45:28 GMT
Peepee's sucked. Cora's = blah.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Apr 6, 2017 23:19:40 GMT
Liam's was the funniest. I also really liked Drack's.
Peebee's on the other hand, I hated. Every single step felt like a pita, and then the final mission just iced the crap cake.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 1:01:25 GMT
Liam's was the funniest. I also really liked Drack's. Peebee's on the other hand, I hated. Every single step felt like a pita, and then the final mission just iced the crap cake. I didn't like Peebee's mission either. It came across as a big "F U" to the player. I just cruised through it as fast as I could and put it behind me. The writer was trying way too hard to make Peebee interesting. It was a major turnoff.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 1:03:07 GMT
Liam's so far. Did Cora's and following PeeBee and Jaal's atm, PeeBee seems too repetitive, and Jaal's I like it, but Liam's had the best banter throughout. Will see how Drack's and Vetra's turn out, but, yeah, Liam's was awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 23:10:30 GMT
Finished Vetra's and Jaal's as well, and painstakingly got to stage next of peeb's.
So far, Liam's still the best because it really made the character win me over. Jaal's next, because it's simply interesting (despite me having to redo the whole thing because I killed his romance first time) Vetra's - nice planet! Cora's - good character development. Peebs - they ran out of ideas, I guess, really tedious.
But overal, I love that loyalty missions are now a mainstay in Bio games!
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 8, 2017 0:27:35 GMT
Drack's. Vorn's awesome. And it's one of the few times you can really call Addison out.
I really don't like Liam's. The gravity shifting and fighting on the walls and ceiling was annoyingly disorienting for me, and I found Liam's recklessness a lot more grating than Peebee's. Did like the Star Wars reference, though.
On the subject of Peebee's, shooting Kalinda was one of the single most satisfying parts of the game. Maybe moreso than killing the Archon. My Ryder took great satisfaction in watching that smug bitch burn and knowing that she'd never hurt her Peebee again. Still made Peebee pay for the escape pod, though.
I appreciated Vetra's for the unique mechanic of having Sid sabotage stuff and having to make that tactical decision. I liked Cora's character development but the scene where two biotics manage to create a massive barrier strong enough to repel dozens of missiles back at the ship that fires them was a little too over the top for me. Jaal's was fine. Not really sure about the trajectory of that shot that it managed to graze Jaal's cheek but didn't shread through his cobra hood thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 1:31:10 GMT
Jaal's was fine. Not really sure about the trajectory of that shot that it managed to graze Jaal's cheek but didn't shread through his cobra hood thing. It was a very, very special bullet.
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Post by melbella on Apr 8, 2017 1:47:17 GMT
Or, Akksul couldn't/didn't want to actually kill Jaal since they'd once been friends. He was more than likely hoping for Ryder to kill him and become a martyr. Lucky for me I missed that trigger or I would have shot him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 2:15:40 GMT
Or, Akksul couldn't/didn't want to actually kill Jaal since they'd once been friends. He was more than likely hoping for Ryder to kill him and become a martyr. Lucky for me I missed that trigger or I would have shot him. Ah, the mysteries of the Angaran souls... see, BioWARE shows, not tells that Angarans have tumultuous emotions. I guess an unbidden tear messed his aim. Jaal actually tells Ryder that Akksul is a terrible shot. Bro #2 tells Sis #1 that she also is a terrible shot.... Lovers, not snipers they are.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2017 2:24:24 GMT
Definitely loved Liam's mission the most. I see that a lot of people share that opinion.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2017 2:30:44 GMT
Or, Akksul couldn't/didn't want to actually kill Jaal since they'd once been friends. He was more than likely hoping for Ryder to kill him and become a martyr. Lucky for me I missed that trigger or I would have shot him. I shot him. I only regretted it because Jaal was sad about it but otherwise unconcerned. The guy is a terrorist and actively wants to see my people dead. It's not like we can be driven back home to the Milky Way (regardless of Shepard's choice) because returning is impossible. Now, if Akksul tried to get us all to settle someplace where the Angara weren't currently living (not sure where that might be), he might get some tolerance, but it's not the case. Therefore, I'm really okay with shooting him. Based on everything I've see, particularly with a Ryder who can control Remnant tech, the Angarans would lose if they went to war with us. That last sentence is why I don't fear him being a martyr. Besides, even the Moshae was on board with killing him.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 8, 2017 5:19:27 GMT
Finished Vetra's and Jaal's as well, and painstakingly got to stage next of peeb's. So far, Liam's still the best because it really made the character win me over. Jaal's next, because it's simply interesting (despite me having to redo the whole thing because I killed his romance first time) Vetra's - nice planet! Cora's - good character development. Peebs - they ran out of ideas, I guess, really tedious. But overal, I love that loyalty missions are now a mainstay in Bio games! Loyalty missions were definitely the highlight for character development in the Mass Effect trilogy. I'm also glad they are back. Hopefully, it's for good this time! Or, Akksul couldn't/didn't want to actually kill Jaal since they'd once been friends. He was more than likely hoping for Ryder to kill him and become a martyr. Lucky for me I missed that trigger or I would have shot him. I figured MEA had temporarily switched to The Matrix and Jaal pulled a Neo. I was so tempted to pull that trigger though... I don't know how I stopped myself.
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Post by Liadan on Apr 8, 2017 11:41:52 GMT
My favorite is Drack`s mission, loved the banter between him and Vorn. I also loved Liam`s mission, it`s just so funny .
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 8, 2017 13:24:23 GMT
I didn't kill Akksul because I didn't want to make him a martyr.
I did that in Black Ops 2 and we'll never hear the end of Cordis Die as a result.
Whereas he looked like a coward, weakling, and madman for Greedo shooting Jaal that way.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 14:39:02 GMT
Or, Akksul couldn't/didn't want to actually kill Jaal since they'd once been friends. He was more than likely hoping for Ryder to kill him and become a martyr. Lucky for me I missed that trigger or I would have shot him. I shot him. I only regretted it because Jaal was sad about it but otherwise unconcerned. The guy is a terrorist and actively wants to see my people dead. It's not like we can be driven back home to the Milky Way (regardless of Shepard's choice) because returning is impossible. Now, if Akksul tried to get us all to settle someplace where the Angara weren't currently living (not sure where that might be), he might get some tolerance, but it's not the case. Therefore, I'm really okay with shooting him. Based on everything I've see, particularly with a Ryder who can control Remnant tech, the Angarans would lose if they went to war with us. That last sentence is why I don't fear him being a martyr. Besides, even the Moshae was on board with killing him. Which is fine, but Jaal won't romance the Ryder who shot Akksul. So, on the male PC, that's all great, save your friend over political considerations or just end the torublemaker. The female Ryder romancing Jaal who shoots Akksul, gets a dialogue: "Why, oh why you shot him?!" She says: Flirt: "I could not face losing you!" Jaal goes: "I see. I put you in a difficult position." And then if you do find him on the ship, he tells you he does not want to talk to you, and he thought there was something between you... and that's that for the romance. So, yeah... the only possible meta-gaming here is to let Akksul take a basically point blank shot at the guy you are supposedly in love with because he told your 22 yo protagonist to trust him on that one. I swear, the way BioWARE conditions the romances.... Maybe if we had some sort of dialogues showing that there was a triangle going, and she developed the feelings for Akksul, since the two men are rivals, that would explain it in a soap opera over the top melodrama way, but it is hard to credit her not pulling the trigger otherwise (and in the melodrama case deserves an eye-roll of the century, but probably would be secretly pleasing). Unless, OMG, Akksul had feelings for Jaal! And that bitter rivalry between the manly men Angara... Oh, yes! It was actually True Love, and Jaal just now sees it, when Ryder kills Akksul. That's the best explanation yet! Anyway. I have just done another TWO legs of PeeBee's interminable Easter Egg loyalty mission, both on Kadara, and lords in heaven, do you really HAVE to go on the ship, do something else (I flew to Voled to have a 3-line conversation there, lol), and THEN return to Kadara for another 3 lines of dialogue???? Seriously, I am starting to think that no matter how much I don't really care about anything Drack and how much I dislike every Krogan part of ME story by now by default, PeeBee's Loyalty mission is going to be that proverbial fly in my otherwise all-honey run of the game.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 8, 2017 16:00:38 GMT
Liam's was the funniest, Drack's kind of combined humor and lore in a good way. Jaal's, for me, was the best lore-wise because I felt I learned a lot about the angara on the way. Plus, that last line from Akksul if you don't shoot him was kind of tragic. He's a fanatic, but he's also a pretty broken individual. I think the game had some good writing there, especially by also providing a sort of parallel in Evfra: both had traumatic experience with the kett which lead to them taking leadership of a paramilitary angara organisation, neither trusts you at the first meeting, but one can be won over by actions whereas the other dismisses your efforts and descends ever further into fanaticism to the point that he's willing to shoot one of his own people, the ones he was trying to protect from the outsiders.
I don't care much for Cora, but her's had a nice standard plot about No True Heroes Exist and an interesting choice with the Pathfinders that was one of the more pure examples of roleplaying (does Pathfinder value the map over a human life? Do they think the truth is the most important thing or would they rather not rock the boat?). Peebee's had a lot of maybe unnecessary preamble (go here and find that) but did teach me a lot about her in the process. Vetra's loyalty mission built on the general family theme of the game and I quite liked it, too. Actually, I think all the loyalty missions were well done.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 8, 2017 16:10:11 GMT
I shot him. I only regretted it because Jaal was sad about it but otherwise unconcerned. The guy is a terrorist and actively wants to see my people dead. It's not like we can be driven back home to the Milky Way (regardless of Shepard's choice) because returning is impossible. Now, if Akksul tried to get us all to settle someplace where the Angara weren't currently living (not sure where that might be), he might get some tolerance, but it's not the case. Therefore, I'm really okay with shooting him. Based on everything I've see, particularly with a Ryder who can control Remnant tech, the Angarans would lose if they went to war with us. That last sentence is why I don't fear him being a martyr. Besides, even the Moshae was on board with killing him. Which is fine, but Jaal won't romance the Ryder who shot Akksul. So, on the male PC, that's all great, save your friend over political considerations or just end the torublemaker. The female Ryder romancing Jaal who shoots Akksul, gets a dialogue: "Why, oh why you shot him?!" She says: Flirt: "I could not face losing you!" Jaal goes: "I see. I put you in a difficult position." And then if you do find him on the ship, he tells you he does not want to talk to you, and he thought there was something between you... and that's that for the romance. So, yeah... the only possible meta-gaming here is to let Akksul take a basically point blank shot at the guy you are supposedly in love with because he told your 22 yo protagonist to trust him on that one. I swear, the way BioWARE conditions the romances.... Maybe if we had some sort of dialogues showing that there was a triangle going, and she developed the feelings for Akksul, since the two men are rivals, that would explain it in a soap opera over the top melodrama way, but it is hard to credit her not pulling the trigger otherwise (and in the melodrama case deserves an eye-roll of the century, but probably would be secretly pleasing). Unless, OMG, Akksul had feelings for Jaal! And that bitter rivalry between the manly men Angara... Oh, yes! It was actually True Love, and Jaal just now sees it, when Ryder kills Akksul. That's the best explanation yet! Anyway. I have just done another TWO legs of PeeBee's interminable Easter Egg loyalty mission, both on Kadara, and lords in heaven, do you really HAVE to go on the ship, do something else (I flew to Voled to have a 3-line conversation there, lol), and THEN return to Kadara for another 3 lines of dialogue???? Seriously, I am starting to think that no matter how much I don't really care about anything Drack and how much I dislike every Krogan part of ME story by now by default, PeeBee's Loyalty mission is going to be that proverbial fly in my otherwise all-honey run of the game. I think Akksul would fall in love with a Fiend before he fell in love with an alien, lol. The second option is the better explanation! Frustrating as this is, because I also think shooting Akksul is just the logical to do when an unstable fanatic points a gun at even just a subordinate or fellow soldier's face (and actually takes the shot, it's not like he chickens out, he just whiffs a bit, accidentally or maybe on purpose), I do like that Jaal has enough personality to cut the romance short. He asked you to trust him, you didn't. Maybe he values the lack of trust higher than the protectiveness, especially since the Roekaar are a real political issue for the angara that have already threatened Jaal's own family, in a way, and you just made them that much stronger. It would help if he actually explained himself in a conversation option, though.
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Post by indrexu on Apr 8, 2017 16:26:13 GMT
He asked you to trust him, you didn't. Maybe he values the lack of trust higher than the protectiveness, especially since the Roekaar are a real political issue for the angara that have already threatened Jaal's own family, in a way, and you just made them that much stronger. It would help if he actually explained himself in a conversation option, though. I mean, his whole conversation structure is about trust. He talks about being unable/unwilling to trust you in your first meeting. He strongly suggests that you not trust him, either. He explicitly connects his willingness to talk to you about himself and about stuff in general to your level of mutual trust; as it grows, so too do your conversation options. And finally, as you mentioned, he does tell you to trust him during the showdown with Akksul. By comparison, at no point does he wring his hands about feeling like you're not protective enough of him.
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Post by capn233 on Apr 8, 2017 16:30:17 GMT
Voted Drack.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 8, 2017 17:09:05 GMT
Omfg, fuck you guys so much for liking Liam's Loyalty mission I don't want any mission like that again. Every time I was supposed to laugh at how funny it was I just felt like Drack's mission glitched out in the end-cutscene for me but it is easily the best level design and setpiece-y stuff. Cora's was the second-best and then PeeBee I think.
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Post by bekkael on Apr 8, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
In order of preference:
1) Liam (love the gravity changes/level design, silly dialogue etc) 2) Jaal (especially good if romanced) 3) Drack 4) Cora 5) Vetra 6) Peebee
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 8, 2017 21:04:32 GMT
The female Ryder romancing Jaal who shoots Akksul, gets a dialogue: "Why, oh why you shot him?!" She says: Flirt: "I could not face losing you!" Jaal goes: "I see. I put you in a difficult position." And then if you do find him on the ship, he tells you he does not want to talk to you, and he thought there was something between you... and that's that for the romance. So, yeah... the only possible meta-gaming here is to let Akksul take a basically point blank shot at the guy you are supposedly in love with because he told your 22 yo protagonist to trust him on that one. I swear, the way BioWARE conditions the romances.... Maybe if we had some sort of dialogues showing that there was a triangle going, and she developed the feelings for Akksul, since the two men are rivals, that would explain it in a soap opera over the top melodrama way, but it is hard to credit her not pulling the trigger otherwise (and in the melodrama case deserves an eye-roll of the century, but probably would be secretly pleasing). Unless, OMG, Akksul had feelings for Jaal! And that bitter rivalry between the manly men Angara... Oh, yes! It was actually True Love, and Jaal just now sees it, when Ryder kills Akksul. That's the best explanation yet! Is it possible to lock in a romance with Jaal before doing his loyalty mission? Best of both worlds in that you have Jaal and kill Akksul.
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The female Ryder romancing Jaal who shoots Akksul, gets a dialogue: "Why, oh why you shot him?!" She says: Flirt: "I could not face losing you!" Jaal goes: "I see. I put you in a difficult position." And then if you do find him on the ship, he tells you he does not want to talk to you, and he thought there was something between you... and that's that for the romance. So, yeah... the only possible meta-gaming here is to let Akksul take a basically point blank shot at the guy you are supposedly in love with because he told your 22 yo protagonist to trust him on that one. I swear, the way BioWARE conditions the romances.... Maybe if we had some sort of dialogues showing that there was a triangle going, and she developed the feelings for Akksul, since the two men are rivals, that would explain it in a soap opera over the top melodrama way, but it is hard to credit her not pulling the trigger otherwise (and in the melodrama case deserves an eye-roll of the century, but probably would be secretly pleasing). Unless, OMG, Akksul had feelings for Jaal! And that bitter rivalry between the manly men Angara... Oh, yes! It was actually True Love, and Jaal just now sees it, when Ryder kills Akksul. That's the best explanation yet! Is it possible to lock in a romance with Jaal before doing his loyalty mission? Best of both worlds in that you have Jaal and kill Akksul. No it's not, but Akksul is not so bad in the end, so I am glad I didn't shoot him or make the Roekaar stronger by doing so.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 8, 2017 21:35:07 GMT
Liam's mission was by far the best. I'm aware that it was a lot of Star Wars references and the like. But honestly, Mass Effect begs for such things, and I had a riot regardless.
Cora's mission I liked, but I don't think it should've been a loyalty mission. I think, given the nature of the game, it should've been a main mission. Still, liked it. Given her interest in gardens and the like, perhaps her mission should've been more Remnant tech, terraforming type. Hell, maybe even a start for stuff on Habitat 7.
I didn't dislike Vetra's mission, but it really felt like a side quest. It felt like it wasn't important like Liam's (for Padromos) and the like.
Drack's...I don't particularly care for Drack or the krogan. I'd do the mission, but seriously, I think BioWARE tries way too hard to get me to like the krogan.
Peebee's mission was high-stakes, but it also felt like a sidequest. Was pretty satisfying to put down Kalinda though.
Jaal...never liked Jaal, or his sidequest. It had a bit more imperativeness to it, but I didn't really want to do it.
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