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Post by kaind on Apr 7, 2017 15:23:09 GMT
I like being the best, the strongest, the fastest the most beautiful etc. Me too. Humans are awesome. We're the best of the best. None of the other species comes close Oh come on.. That's intellectually dishonest.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 7, 2017 15:29:51 GMT
Oh come on.. That's intellectually dishonest. No its not. Humans are the best. We're the best looking We have the best homeworld in the universe We have the best entertainment We have the best sports We have the best vacation spots And the best part. We have the awesome Commander Shepard, who is human, the strongest, most powerful and fastest soldier who destroyed the reapers. excellent
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Post by kaind on Apr 7, 2017 15:37:19 GMT
No its not. Humans are the best. We're the best looking We have the best homeworld in the universe We have the best entertainment We have the best sports We have the best vacation spots And the best part. We have the awesome Commander Shepard, who is human, the strongest, most powerful and fastest soldier who destroyed the reapers. excellent Well we think we are best looking because other species just look alien. But you can't really compare. You don't know that. And we are talking humans not planets, same for vacation spots. You don't know that. And entertainment has nothing to do with biology, it's ideological, many species share the same. Same for sports. Commander Shepard is awesome but not the strongest, most powerful and fastest. There are plenty that are physically stronger than Shepard, better at tech or stronger biotics, even among Shepards own crew.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 7, 2017 15:39:03 GMT
Commander Shepard is awesome but not the strongest, most powerful and fastest. There are plenty that are physically stronger than Shepard, better at tech or stronger biotics, even among Shepards own crew. Who?
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 15:45:32 GMT
Humans are average at best when it comes to combat, tech, and biotics. We can do a bit of everything but we aren't the best in anything. That is typical fir humans in most fictional fantastical settings.
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Post by kaind on Apr 7, 2017 15:45:38 GMT
Commander Shepard is awesome but not the strongest, most powerful and fastest. There are plenty that are physically stronger than Shepard, better at tech or stronger biotics, even among Shepards own crew. Who? If we are talking about physically stronger then Grunt / Wrex If we aretalking faster Thane / Kasumi If we are talking better in tech then Tali / Legion If we are talking biotics Samara / Jack
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 7, 2017 15:46:37 GMT
Commander Shepard is awesome but not the strongest, most powerful and fastest. There are plenty that are physically stronger than Shepard, better at tech or stronger biotics, even among Shepards own crew. Who? Jack is technically the most powerful biotic of the group if we're going by canon. Gameplay indicates otherwise, but we can't go by that.
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Post by kaind on Apr 7, 2017 15:48:46 GMT
Jack is technically the most powerful biotic of the group if we're going by canon. Gameplay indicates otherwise, but we can't go by that. Most powerful human biotic for sure. More powerful than a centuries old Justicar? Debatable.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 7, 2017 15:51:26 GMT
I forgot about Samara actually. I should have said human, but I imagine Jack could give Samara a hard time.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 7, 2017 15:52:06 GMT
Commander Shepard is awesome but not the strongest, most powerful and fastest. There are plenty that are physically stronger than Shepard, better at tech or stronger biotics, even among Shepards own crew. Who? Grunt, Wrex, and Legion are definitely stronger. Samara, Jack, and Liara are most likely stronger biotics. Mordin is definitely smarter, Tali knows more about synthetics and tech in general etc...
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Post by themikefest on Apr 7, 2017 15:58:25 GMT
If we are talking about physically stronger then Grunt / Wrex Ok. That doesn't mean much on a mission unless Shepard needs to have something picked up Thane showed how fast he is during the coup. Kasumi being faster at stealing stuff? Sure Both showed how much better they are on the suicide mission. If they're loyalty mission isn't completed, they die trying to close the door. So no. They aren't better since they can't focus on the mission Samara. Sure Jack. The only good moment she had was a cutscene. Otherwise she has nothing
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Post by kaind on Apr 7, 2017 16:03:03 GMT
If we are talking about physically stronger then Grunt / Wrex Ok. That doesn't mean much on a mission unless Shepard needs to have something picked up Thane showed how fast he is during the coup. Kasumi being faster at stealing stuff? Sure Both showed how much better they are on the suicide mission. If they're loyalty mission isn't completed, they die trying to close the door. So no. They aren't better since they can't focus on the mission Samara. Sure Jack. The only good moment she had was a cutscene. Otherwise she has nothing I don't get what your point is. You asked and I answered and I wasn't wrong. There are plenty of individuals that are better than Shepard in their own regard. Also you need to understand the difference between lore and gameplay.
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Post by jackdaniel on Apr 7, 2017 16:03:17 GMT
If we are talking about physically stronger then Grunt / Wrex Ok. That doesn't mean much on a mission unless Shepard needs to have something picked up Thane showed how fast he is during the coup. Kasumi being faster at stealing stuff? Sure Both showed how much better they are on the suicide mission. If they're loyalty mission isn't completed, they die trying to close the door. So no. They aren't better since they can't focus on the mission Samara. Sure Jack. The only good moment she had was a cutscene. Otherwise she has nothing Shepard is best at killing things and talking to things, which is kinda of the only important things in mass effect. He used to be best at hacking too until they cut down his omni gel budget.
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Post by thedarkprince on Apr 7, 2017 16:05:13 GMT
Cons: Asari are a mary-sue species and nobody likes mary-sues. Humans are easily the biggest Mary Sue's of the series. And I am all for playable aliens, but it shouldn't be just Asari. Ideal would be something like Dragon Age: Origins. And the playable races should be the council races. Human male and female. Turian male and female. Salarian male. Asari. It can be done, the aliens just use a filter to change their voices, so you would just need 1 guy and gal to do the voices.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 16:15:06 GMT
The MEA verse suits different playable races, yes. It is an acceptable thing if we get multiple choices, not ONLY Asari (I.e. w/o even humans) however it sets us on a path of blank slate protagonist, and switching the protagonist from game to game, so the game becomes about the place, worlds and important NPCs, rather than a journey of an individual protagonist. After just playing DA franchise, I am not sure the trade off is necessary for the second franchise. For all we know the Third IP will be like DA, with multiple species available for the main character. Perhaps, it would be better if ME retains its focus on a personal story with the Protagonist not coming across as the most bland character in the Galaxy.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 7, 2017 16:17:42 GMT
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Post by darkrogue on Apr 7, 2017 16:51:12 GMT
Oh fuck no.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 18:50:56 GMT
The MEA verse suits different playable races, yes. It is an acceptable thing if we get multiple choices, not ONLY Asari (I.e. w/o even humans) however it sets us on a path of blank slate protagonist, and switching the protagonist from game to game, so the game becomes about the place, worlds and important NPCs, rather than a journey of an individual protagonist. After just playing DA franchise, I am not sure the trade off is necessary for the second franchise. For all we know the Third IP will be like DA, with multiple species available for the main character. Perhaps, it would be better if ME retains its focus on a personal story with the Protagonist not coming across as the most bland character in the Galaxy. I am all for keeping and following protagonist, but you cant be seriously suggesting keeping Ryder for the next few games, can you? This character is beyond repair. Probably the only way it can be returned if he dies and gets reconstructed like Shepard in ME, except that during reconstruction process his personality will be greatly affected and he will turn from a forever goofy high-school kid into a normal human being. In that case I am all up for it, but otherwise - no thx, no more Ryders, at least not of current generation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 18:55:19 GMT
The MEA verse suits different playable races, yes. It is an acceptable thing if we get multiple choices, not ONLY Asari (I.e. w/o even humans) however it sets us on a path of blank slate protagonist, and switching the protagonist from game to game, so the game becomes about the place, worlds and important NPCs, rather than a journey of an individual protagonist. After just playing DA franchise, I am not sure the trade off is necessary for the second franchise. For all we know the Third IP will be like DA, with multiple species available for the main character. Perhaps, it would be better if ME retains its focus on a personal story with the Protagonist not coming across as the most bland character in the Galaxy. I am all for keeping and following protagonist, but you cant be seriously suggesting keeping Ryder for the next few games, can you? This character is beyond repair. Probably the only way it can be returned if he dies and gets reconstructed like Shepard in ME, except that during reconstruction process his personality will be greatly affected and he will turn from a forever goofy high-school kid into a normal human being. In that case I am all up for it, but otherwise - no thx, no more Ryders, at least not of current generation. I like Ryder well enough. I am opened to switching a protagonist. But not to ONLY an Asari.
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Post by donut on Apr 7, 2017 19:23:23 GMT
I would love having the ability to role play as different races. Nier Automata did something quite interesting in having you replay the game as different character to get all the endings. If we translate that to Andromeda, imagine a situation where you start as a human male/female and your NG+ allows you to role play as an asari, turian or salarian Pathfinder and get to relive your human decisions from their perspectives and at the same time get deeper into their stories about why their arks got a kett sized puncture.
Sure the other stories may be shorter in comparison to the original human story but for replayablility it would be awesome. Imagine lining up all the decisions of all the different races to create your own unique canon and it may push the role playing aspect further. Just a thought I had since Nier lets you see how awesome 2B is from the outside.
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Post by wellsoul2 on Apr 7, 2017 19:44:06 GMT
I like this game but I'm still on the fence with them changing a winning formula.
It made alot of sense with Shepard who is basically a commando at the beginning.
Ryder is basically a kid, but here you are slaughtering aliens and others wholesale with no problems.
Yeah it's a Mary Sue but people in video games want to be the King Arthur character that destiny chooses!
Now Bioware changes it a bit and makes most humans ugly and the protagonist doesn't quite fit the role.
Don't get me wrong..I like the game but much of it makes less sense. I kind of hope Ryder matures if used in the next game.
As for playing an Asari..I would love it if you could switch and play your squadmates as you can in some games.
Being able to play a squadmate except maybe for dialogue would seem possible without much more work.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Apr 7, 2017 20:01:06 GMT
I don't like Asari enough to play a whole game as one.
And the idea that they are actually "genderless" is such a fucking joke.
Matriarchs Maidens and Huntresses but I'm supposed to act like they're a genderless species lmao ok.
If BioWare could redo the mass effect series without their hands down their pants I guarantee the Immortal Space Lesbian species would have been done a lot differently
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 7, 2017 20:04:00 GMT
I can see the character creator now: - Choose backstory - Choose military career - Choose pronoun you would like people to use
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Post by snook on Apr 7, 2017 20:05:39 GMT
I'd rather be a turian, tbh. Turian mustard race.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 20:07:06 GMT
I am all for keeping and following protagonist, but you cant be seriously suggesting keeping Ryder for the next few games, can you? This character is beyond repair. Probably the only way it can be returned if he dies and gets reconstructed like Shepard in ME, except that during reconstruction process his personality will be greatly affected and he will turn from a forever goofy high-school kid into a normal human being. In that case I am all up for it, but otherwise - no thx, no more Ryders, at least not of current generation. I like Ryder well enough. I am opened to switching a protagonist. But not to ONLY an Asari. why not? You seem to be content with ONLY human.
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