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Post by setokaiba on Apr 8, 2017 0:19:47 GMT
Here's a fact. Some people actually like the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the petty baby whining and tantrums over insignificant issues a waste of time and just LIKE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? Get. Over. It. NOT UNTIL WE ALL HAVE MENTAL SEX WITH WITCHER 3!
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Post by suikoden on Apr 8, 2017 0:19:51 GMT
Here's a fact. Some people actually like the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the petty baby whining and tantrums over insignificant issues a waste of time and just LIKE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? Get. Over. It. Or... Here's a fact. Some people actually hate the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the lack of petty baby whining and tantrums over significant issues, a huge concern - and just HATE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? I have just as much a right to voice my concerns about the game is you do to praise it. Get. Over. It.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 8, 2017 0:24:20 GMT
Criticism is fine but like someone said we complaining about something that was in the MET but now it's suddenly a problem
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Post by jastall on Apr 8, 2017 0:55:00 GMT
Here's a fact. Some people actually like the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the petty baby whining and tantrums over insignificant issues a waste of time and just LIKE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? Get. Over. It. Or... Here's a fact. Some people actually hate the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the lack of petty baby whining and tantrums over significant issues, a huge concern - and just HATE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? I have just as much a right to voice my concerns about the game is you do to praise it. Get. Over. It.And I also have the right to think your criticism is overly passive-aggressive and full of double standards. There are loads of posters on these here forums that offer feedback and criticisms I don't agree with, but they do in a measured way and don't appear to have a vendetta with the game; they are disappointed in key aspects that they hold important. That's fair and completely OK, and I actually upvote some of them when they make an articulate (or sometimes just clever) point even if I disagree with their conclusion. Because feedback like that create interesting discussion and is valuable to my eyes. I'll be the first to admit Andromeda has issues when it comes to animations, quality control, parts of the writing and some RPG aspects. Stomping here and saying everyone who likes even parts of the game is a brainless apologist because X number of critics on the internet said Y things about the game, is not something that creates interesting discussions. People are allowed to form their own opinions about this game in spite of what IGN and PC Gamer and whatnot say about it. And as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't one single squiggly fuck about what most critics say about any game, and user scores are little more than a punchline to a joke. I'm certainly not letting these aggregate scores dictate my own opinions as if I were a sheep following the pack. I know what I like and I know what's good for me. And few things annoy me more than posers on the internet thinking they know best what game I should like.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 8, 2017 1:07:41 GMT
Or... Here's a fact. Some people actually hate the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the lack of petty baby whining and tantrums over significant issues, a huge concern - and just HATE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? I have just as much a right to voice my concerns about the game is you do to praise it. Get. Over. It.And I also have the right to think your criticism is overly passive-aggressive and full of double standards. There are loads of posters on these here forums that offer feedback and criticisms I don't agree with, but they do in a measured way and don't appear to have a vendetta with the game; they are disappointed in key aspects that they hold important. That's fair and completely OK, and I actually upvote some of them when they make an articulate (or sometimes just clever) point even if I disagree with their conclusion. Because feedback like that create interesting discussion and is valuable to my eyes. I'll be the first to admit Andromeda has issues when it comes to animations, quality control, parts of the writing and some RPG aspects. Stomping here and saying everyone who likes even parts of the game is a brainless apologist because X number of critics on the internet said Y things about the game, is not something that creates interesting discussions. People are allowed to form their own opinions about this game in spite of what IGN and PC Gamer and whatnot say about it. And as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't one single squiggly fuck about what most critics say about any game, and user scores are little more than a punchline to a joke. I'm certainly not letting these aggregate scores dictate my own opinions as if I were a sheep following the pack. I know what I like and I know what's good for me. And few things annoy me more than posers on the internet thinking they know best what game I should like. For starters, just put me on ignore. And I find apologists that throw hissy fits annoy me just as much. I've made plenty of articulate posts stating reasons for my criticism - the majority of which are passive-aggressively responded to by the same handful of posters. You're one of them
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Apr 8, 2017 1:27:28 GMT
And I also have the right to think your criticism is overly passive-aggressive and full of double standards. There are loads of posters on these here forums that offer feedback and criticisms I don't agree with, but they do in a measured way and don't appear to have a vendetta with the game; they are disappointed in key aspects that they hold important. That's fair and completely OK, and I actually upvote some of them when they make an articulate (or sometimes just clever) point even if I disagree with their conclusion. Because feedback like that create interesting discussion and is valuable to my eyes. I'll be the first to admit Andromeda has issues when it comes to animations, quality control, parts of the writing and some RPG aspects. Stomping here and saying everyone who likes even parts of the game is a brainless apologist because X number of critics on the internet said Y things about the game, is not something that creates interesting discussions. People are allowed to form their own opinions about this game in spite of what IGN and PC Gamer and whatnot say about it. And as far as I'm concerned, I couldn't one single squiggly fuck about what most critics say about any game, and user scores are little more than a punchline to a joke. I'm certainly not letting these aggregate scores dictate my own opinions as if I were a sheep following the pack. I know what I like and I know what's good for me. And few things annoy me more than posers on the internet thinking they know best what game I should like. For starters, just put me on ignore. And I find apologists that throw hissy fits annoy me just as much. I've made plenty of articulate posts stating reasons for my criticism - the majority of which are passive-aggressively responded to by the same handful of posters. You're one of them *Arrested Development narrator voice* Unfortunately, that was a lie.
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Post by timebean on Apr 8, 2017 1:53:12 GMT
Wow. Went to dinner, came back...missed the fucking volcano erupting. Some people like the Witcher, some like MEA. I like both, for very different reasons. I also don't consider either game to be a "true" RPG, but that's just my personal opinion of a phrase that has ENTIRELY different meanings to different folks (obviously). But I'll have to ask some of my old Dungeon and Dragon friends to be sure... Edited - case in point, this forum is basically an RPG where I am a fence-straddling pangolin.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 8, 2017 2:01:06 GMT
How can it be impossible to role-play as a 22 year old male/female, yet entirely possilbe to role-play a 96 year old, old Man with a set personality and love interest? Me thinks some people Trolloll too much! Both The Witcher 3 and ME:A are great. But don't piss on me and tell me it's raining when making the above comparisons to two totally different games!
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 8, 2017 3:24:03 GMT
For starters, just put me on ignore. Where's the fun in that?
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Post by colejj on Apr 8, 2017 3:31:18 GMT
Then they should really take RPG of the Year awards away from the Witcher 3.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 14:19:33 GMT
In the first hour alone the auto-dialog completely torpedoed my attempts to RP about a dozen times. The (endless) auto-dialog between Ryder and Liam even creates a completely different character I was trying to play from the rather limited options I had from dialogue choices. If you are trying to play Ryder as anything but a joker, you're ****ed. So many forced attempts as humour my character wouldn't say! Being buddy buddy with a guy he doesn't know even though I want him to be detached and annoy ed at his situation.
Apart from the "we're explorers" stuff, there hasn't been any way for you to indicate why you came on this trip in the first place. Surely this is the most important RP question to ask in the opening of the game? Were we forced by daddy? Did we genuinely want to come? ME has never been perfect at RP obviously. Although IIRC there in ME1 there is only ONE use of auto-dialog from Shepard (a neutral line in the descent to Ilos), so hand-waving character contradictions was a lot easier. But ME:A takes it to a new low. Yeah, my fem Ryder does NOT feel like my character that I want to play. There have been a few times I pick a choice on the dialogue wheel, only for me to discover that the choice was offered sarcastically, not literally, which pissed me off. Also, I can't stand fem Ryder's voice or tone. Lol she said something like, "I will *fuck* your shit up." to a bad guy and I busted up laughing. She didn't sound like a badass (Jennifer Hale), she sounded like a clip from Bring It On. When Jen Hale says she'll fuck your shit up, you know she means it. Or if Jack (Courtenay Taylor) says the same - it's badass. But I dunno. Something about fem Ryder just always sounds cutesy. It makes me Barf in my mouth. Why can't they make the voice actors completely change their tone from option to option? If you want to play pissed off/renegade, the actor should drop their tone and speak differently. This is possible if you're a good enough actor.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 14:22:44 GMT
For starters, just put me on ignore. And I find apologists that throw hissy fits annoy me just as much. I've made plenty of articulate posts stating reasons for my criticism - the majority of which are passive-aggressively responded to by the same handful of posters. You're one of them *Arrested Development narrator voice* Unfortunately, that was a lie. Come on, now, his name is Ron Howard.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 8, 2017 14:26:42 GMT
Yeah, my fem Ryder does NOT feel like my character that I want to play. There have been a few times I pick a choice on the dialogue wheel, only for me to discover that the choice was offered sarcastically, not literally, which pissed me off. Also, I can't stand fem Ryder's voice or tone. Lol she said something like, "I will *fuck* your shit up." to a bad guy and I busted up laughing. She didn't sound like a badass (Jennifer Hale), she sounded like a clip from Bring It On. When Jen Hale says she'll fuck your shit up, you know she means it. Or if Jack (Courtenay Taylor) says the same - it's badass. But I dunno. Something about fem Ryder just always sounds cutesy. It makes me Barf in my mouth. Why can't they make the voice actors completely change their tone from option to option? If you want to play pissed off/renegade, the actor should drop their tone and speak differently. This is possible if you're a good enough actor. The VA for Jack also did the female lead for FO4 and she was fantastic. Honestly a Jack trilogy sounds like a lot of fun, I would totally play that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 14:30:48 GMT
Yeah, my fem Ryder does NOT feel like my character that I want to play. There have been a few times I pick a choice on the dialogue wheel, only for me to discover that the choice was offered sarcastically, not literally, which pissed me off. Also, I can't stand fem Ryder's voice or tone. Lol she said something like, "I will *fuck* your shit up." to a bad guy and I busted up laughing. She didn't sound like a badass (Jennifer Hale), she sounded like a clip from Bring It On. When Jen Hale says she'll fuck your shit up, you know she means it. Or if Jack (Courtenay Taylor) says the same - it's badass. But I dunno. Something about fem Ryder just always sounds cutesy. It makes me Barf in my mouth. Why can't they make the voice actors completely change their tone from option to option? If you want to play pissed off/renegade, the actor should drop their tone and speak differently. This is possible if you're a good enough actor. The VA for Jack also did the female lead for FO4 and she was fantastic. Honestly a Jack trilogy sounds like a lot of fun, I would totally play that. Oh I know. I *****love***** my fem Sole Survivor. And when I pick different dialogue options for her in FO4, she says them on point. Her tone also changes drastically if she's being weird or sarcastic vs kind and compassionate. I also love my male Sole Survivor, whomever that VA may be. Also, yeah. I could happily just play Jack as a set character, a LA Witcher 3 style. Still get romance, still kick ass, and be hot (hotter than Ryder) while doing it. Ryder feels like the girl next door no matter what. Yuck.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 8, 2017 14:37:57 GMT
The VA for Jack also did the female lead for FO4 and she was fantastic. Honestly a Jack trilogy sounds like a lot of fun, I would totally play that. Oh I know. I *****love***** my fem Sole Survivor. And when I pick different dialogue options for her in FO4, she says them on point. Her tone also changes drastically if she's being weird or sarcastic vs kind and compassionate. I also love my male Sole Survivor, whomever that VA may be. Also, yeah. I could happily just play Jack as a set character, a LA Witcher 3 style. Still get romance, still kick ass, and be hot (hotter than Ryder) while doing it. Ryder feels like the girl next door no matter what. Yuck. Plus a Jack story is fertile ground for all the people missing their Renegade Interrupts. Jack would set a whole new standard for the Renegade path.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 8, 2017 15:31:34 GMT
Here's a fact. Some people actually like the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the petty baby whining and tantrums over insignificant issues a waste of time and just LIKE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? Get. Over. It. So this means we're not allowed to have dissenting opinions on the game now? Maturity means you like everything? I also find some of the more... spirited complaints completely over the top (and incidentally, Witcher 3 was not the Ulysses of video games, either), but I think it's a bit strawman-y to call all critics of the game petty whining babies just because some of them decided that the facial animations meant that ME:A was a plot by ugly feminists (which was an actual theory with a lot of traction, I love the internet, by which I mean I will unplug my modem now). Also, calling back to this thread, roleplaying is not an insignificant issue in a, well, roleplaying game. Some people actually like the game - I played it for 91 hours, why yes, this is my life, I Hit all the Rocks for Sciences and found all the plant samples - and still have substantial criticisms. I like a lot of heavily flawed things very much and happen to think ME:A is one of them. (Which is not to say people can't like the game without caveats, taste is a thing, just that that's not the only "mature" opinion.)
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Post by Ianamus on Apr 8, 2017 15:37:55 GMT
It's no different to the trilogy in this regard.
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Post by Subtle on Apr 8, 2017 15:42:50 GMT
If they had Emmys for voice acting, Jack's voice actor would get my vote. She made that character an icon. Still think it's a shame she wasn't butch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 16:08:28 GMT
Oh I know. I *****love***** my fem Sole Survivor. And when I pick different dialogue options for her in FO4, she says them on point. Her tone also changes drastically if she's being weird or sarcastic vs kind and compassionate. I also love my male Sole Survivor, whomever that VA may be. Also, yeah. I could happily just play Jack as a set character, a LA Witcher 3 style. Still get romance, still kick ass, and be hot (hotter than Ryder) while doing it. Ryder feels like the girl next door no matter what. Yuck. Plus a Jack story is fertile ground for all the people missing their Renegade Interrupts. Jack would set a whole new standard for the Renegade path. Lol. :::press RT to flat out murder NPC:::
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 8, 2017 16:21:16 GMT
Here's a fact. Some people actually like the game. I know it's shocking, but some people find the petty baby whining and tantrums over insignificant issues a waste of time and just LIKE the game. I thought this game was for mature audiences? Get. Over. It. So this means we're not allowed to have dissenting opinions on the game now? Maturity means you like everything? I also find some of the more... spirited complaints completely over the top (and incidentally, Witcher 3 was not the Ulysses of video games, either), but I think it's a bit strawman-y to call all critics of the game petty whining babies just because some of them decided that the facial animations meant that ME:A was a plot by ugly feminists (which was an actual theory with a lot of traction, I love the internet, by which I mean I will unplug my modem now). Also, calling back to this thread, roleplaying is not an insignificant issue in a, well, roleplaying game. Some people actually like the game - I played it for 91 hours, why yes, this is my life, I Hit all the Rocks for Sciences and found all the plant samples - and still have substantial criticisms. I like a lot of heavily flawed things very much and happen to think ME:A is one of them. (Which is not to say people can't like the game without caveats, taste is a thing, just that that's not the only "mature" opinion.) Your well reasoned, polite criticism is in no way comparable to the relentless, thread-hopping bashing of the game that some are guilty of doing. Even in Mod-created threads for "I Love the Game" discussions, some feel the need to drop in and tell people why they shouldn't like the game, as if these individuals have no gripes, can't find the criticism threads, and need his/her direction. This trollish behavior is wearing on the nerves of some. (In other words, typical BSN.) The best response would be to simply not engage with the offending members, rather than to argue with them. It's pretty clear who is willing to consider and respect differing opinions, and who is capable of polite discourse. Ignoring those who aren't, whether through the ignore feature or through simple self-control, is probably the best option.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 16:35:28 GMT
In the first hour alone the auto-dialog completely torpedoed my attempts to RP about a dozen times. The (endless) auto-dialog between Ryder and Liam even creates a completely different character I was trying to play from the rather limited options I had from dialogue choices. If you are trying to play Ryder as anything but a joker, you're ****ed. So many forced attempts as humour my character wouldn't say! Being buddy buddy with a guy he doesn't know even though I want him to be detached and annoy ed at his situation.
Apart from the "we're explorers" stuff, there hasn't been any way for you to indicate why you came on this trip in the first place. Surely this is the most important RP question to ask in the opening of the game? Were we forced by daddy? Did we genuinely want to come? ME has never been perfect at RP obviously. Although IIRC there in ME1 there is only ONE use of auto-dialog from Shepard (a neutral line in the descent to Ilos), so hand-waving character contradictions was a lot easier. But ME:A takes it to a new low. I have a serious, logical, practical, professional ryder who I made a little backstory for beyond what they say. He was in the military on earth for years. He is more like 27. He doesn't joke around with Liam at all. He feels like Liam is a poor fit for the team and he is generally very professional with him but tries to not come off like a dick. Sometimes he is more casual and maybe will crack a joke. He tries to keep things more relaxed as he rolls because he knows that with someone like Liam or some of the crew that might work better. But my Ryder is dead serious most of the time. He's got some years in the military before his dad reached out to him. He knows enough to take things seriously but he also knows that with some people in some situations, you kind of have to adapt a bit to who they are because they don't seem to function very well if you don't. As for how he responds in those cases of his past, I get what you are saying. For my Ryder, the more professional serious version I play, it is a mix of reason and without having a solid grey area where that could be articulated, he just decides what fits the moment best. Part of his reason was because he wanted to explore space, to be out there in the galaxy doing stuff but he was gimped by his dad's name because of the AI. So he has a mix of explore, get away and need a fresh start. He doesn't hate his dad. He understands WHY he did what he did, he just wished it didn't make him doing what he wanted to do such a problem (family name). But he loved his mom and also did want the AI to be able to save her. So he is the very definition of mixed emotions on that one. Coming to Andromeda gave him that fresh start he needed, but it was hugely due to him wanting to explore and be involved in things like the andromeda initiative, space exploration, meeting new races, and protecting people - helping them when he could. With Liam, he gets what Liam is all about very quickly (because over the years he has learned enough about people to size them up fast for the most part) and he just rolls with it realizing that Liam is a bit about to go off the deep end and if he doesn't take it down a bit in seriousness, Liam will probably lose his shit completely, which we pretty much see him almost doing later on in that whole mission (shooting the corpse endlessly). He also is a bit sarcastic at times as part of his personality. Like the weird alien machine commentary in their ship/base. He's out of his own depth here and he's got a bit of that in him but that is not how he is as a rule. It's just how he is occasionally. Maybe that will help you a little bit to try to have a character that works for you. I get where you are coming from because I had to find a way to adapt to it myself.
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Post by Bioware-Critic on Apr 8, 2017 16:41:36 GMT
Response to original post:1. ALL dialogue and all character interactions are written so poorly that I do see it as the worst work from "BioWare" yet, by FAR! 2. On top of that ... the dialogue options very often are worded so wrong that I am completely "flying BLIND" through the conversations. 3. On top of that ... Ryder herself is so very immature and unbelieveable as a Pathfinder - I CANNOT STAND HER!!! Conclusio: Roleplaying is impossible for me as well. The gameplay of so many sections needs so much tweaking ... IT'S DISHEARTENING (I cannot get headshots or even a half-decent performance with my sniper-rifle "to save my god damn life" ... UGH! )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 16:45:49 GMT
ALL dialogue and all character interactions are written so purly that I do see it as the worst work from "BioWare" by FAR! On top of that ... the dialogue options very often are worded so wrong that I am completely "flying BLIND" through the conversations. Ryder herself is so very immature and unbelieveable as a Pathfinder - I CANNOT STAND HER!!! Roleplaying is impossible for me as well. The gameplay of so many sections needs so much tweaking ... IT'S DISHEARTENING Yeah, I have found that if I want to play a certain kind of character I have to be very careful as to which option I use and if those replies work well then I use them almost always unless there are rare instances where something else might work because what the say you will say is kind of a rough ballpark. For me only serious and logical is relatively dead on. Emotional with characters works okay too. Sarcastic is usually so far off that I can't even go there because I regret it instantly. They really need to make the wheel say at least part of most of what they actually will say.
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Post by commandercole5 on Apr 8, 2017 16:49:39 GMT
I rollplay play a weapon crafter, git gud
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Post by Bioware-Critic on Apr 8, 2017 16:55:33 GMT
ALL dialogue and all character interactions are written so purly that I do see it as the worst work from "BioWare" by FAR! On top of that ... the dialogue options very often are worded so wrong that I am completely "flying BLIND" through the conversations. Ryder herself is so very immature and unbelieveable as a Pathfinder - I CANNOT STAND HER!!! Roleplaying is impossible for me as well. The gameplay of so many sections needs so much tweaking ... IT'S DISHEARTENING Yeah, I have found that if I want to play a certain kind of character I have to be very careful as to which option I use and if those replies work well then I use them almost always unless there are rare instances where something else might work because what the say you will say is kind of a rough ballpark. For me only serious and logical is relatively dead on. Emotional with characters works okay too. Sarcastic is usually so far off that I can't even go there because I regret it instantly. They really need to make the wheel say at least part of most of what they actually will say. Well, I tend to get the feeling that the writing of the NPC's dialogues, may it be quests or simple interactions as well as squad-member intercations are really "ALL OVER THE PLACE" ... I am quite terryfied of how poorly the new dev-team delivered and really DO NOT recognize ANY of the old Bioware trademarks here. They seem to have copied a lot, but that's about it. I do already ask myself how the quality of the DLC's will be. Since this will be the ONLY CHANCE they get to polish and rework at least some areas ... Holy mother of ...
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