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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 8, 2017 16:57:59 GMT
In the first hour alone the auto-dialog completely torpedoed my attempts to RP about a dozen times. The (endless) auto-dialog between Ryder and Liam even creates a completely different character I was trying to play from the rather limited options I had from dialogue choices. If you are trying to play Ryder as anything but a joker, you're ****ed. So many forced attempts as humour my character wouldn't say! Being buddy buddy with a guy he doesn't know even though I want him to be detached and annoy ed at his situation.
Apart from the "we're explorers" stuff, there hasn't been any way for you to indicate why you came on this trip in the first place. Surely this is the most important RP question to ask in the opening of the game? Were we forced by daddy? Did we genuinely want to come? ME has never been perfect at RP obviously. Although IIRC there in ME1 there is only ONE use of auto-dialog from Shepard (a neutral line in the descent to Ilos), so hand-waving character contradictions was a lot easier. But ME:A takes it to a new low. I have a serious, logical, practical, professional ryder who I made a little backstory for beyond what they say. He was in the military on earth for years. He is more like 27. He doesn't joke around with Liam at all. He feels like Liam is a poor fit for the team and he is generally very professional with him but tries to not come off like a dick. Sometimes he is more casual and maybe will crack a joke. He tries to keep things more relaxed as he rolls because he knows that with someone like Liam or some of the crew that might work better. But my Ryder is dead serious most of the time. He's got some years in the military before his dad reached out to him. He knows enough to take things seriously but he also knows that with some people in some situations, you kind of have to adapt a bit to who they are because they don't seem to function very well if you don't. As for how he responds in those cases of his past, I get what you are saying. For my Ryder, the more professional serious version I play, it is a mix of reason and without having a solid grey area where that could be articulated, he just decides what fits the moment best. Part of his reason was because he wanted to explore space, to be out there in the galaxy doing stuff but he was gimped by his dad's name because of the AI. So he has a mix of explore, get away and need a fresh start. He doesn't hate his dad. He understands WHY he did what he did, he just wished it didn't make him doing what he wanted to do such a problem (family name). But he loved his mom and also did want the AI to be able to save her. So he is the very definition of mixed emotions on that one. Coming to Andromeda gave him that fresh start he needed, but it was hugely due to him wanting to explore and be involved in things like the andromeda initiative, space exploration, meeting new races, and protecting people - helping them when he could. With Liam, he gets what Liam is all about very quickly (because over the years he has learned enough about people to size them up fast for the most part) and he just rolls with it realizing that Liam is a bit about to go off the deep end and if he doesn't take it down a bit in seriousness, Liam will probably lose his shit completely, which we pretty much see him almost doing later on in that whole mission (shooting the corpse endlessly). He also is a bit sarcastic at times as part of his personality. Like the weird alien machine commentary in their ship/base. He's out of his own depth here and he's got a bit of that in him but that is not how he is as a rule. It's just how he is occasionally. Maybe that will help you a little bit to try to have a character that works for you. I get where you are coming from because I had to find a way to adapt to it myself. Congrats, you just wrote a better and more complex version of main character. I tried to do the same and it works at first, but later you get plenty of cut-scenes which completely destroy this nice illusion of serious Ryder. I mean these group scenes where your companions ignore you completely and Ryder is like "hey, why did you all go?" looking like a beaten puppy or the one before meeting Angara "If I get eaten- even if it's funny- please delete all the vids". Also, if he had anything more in him, he wouldn't only speak with cliches. Imagination works much better if at least main character doesn't have a VA, and there are few\none cinematic cut scenes.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 8, 2017 17:04:24 GMT
You can not roleplay Ryder how you like in this game as he or she changes in to a different person with the auto dialogue.
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I have serious problems to romance anybody, really.Since I think that Liam is kinda "dumb". I play a female and wanted to date a male. But the only other options are "The criminal" from Kadara and the Angaran. I have nothing against Jaal. But do not particularly "like" the Angarans! I think they are a good idea but the concept is realized very poorly. The writing is not convincing at all. >>> After the first conversation with Evraa - I could have CONQUERED THEM >>>He gave me EVERYTHING on a silver plate. >>>HOW BLOODY NAIVE CAN A MILITARY LEADER BE - FOR REAL, PEOPLE!!!????!?!!?!?!? If you play a straight female ... your options are ... LIMITED. To say the least. 1. Liam is about 12 years old. 2. The criminal on Kadara is cute if you are yourself 12 years old. (I guess? I am a straight male ) 3. Jaal is from a race of 12 year olds. A nice guy ... but with the blandest character you can think of. (Jaal likes to smell good, clean himself and some "pew-pew action". How very lovely ) So, BioWare? Behind what door is my ... BLOODY SOULMATE ... ?"?"?"§%§$&§%&(/§%(/§% YEAH! BioWare destroyed their very last asset - The characters I hope I am not too negative here ... Oh, it is all in good fun ... I only spend about 80 bloody Euros on it! Right EA?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 17:36:36 GMT
I have a serious, logical, practical, professional ryder who I made a little backstory for beyond what they say. He was in the military on earth for years. He is more like 27. He doesn't joke around with Liam at all. He feels like Liam is a poor fit for the team and he is generally very professional with him but tries to not come off like a dick. Sometimes he is more casual and maybe will crack a joke. He tries to keep things more relaxed as he rolls because he knows that with someone like Liam or some of the crew that might work better. But my Ryder is dead serious most of the time. He's got some years in the military before his dad reached out to him. He knows enough to take things seriously but he also knows that with some people in some situations, you kind of have to adapt a bit to who they are because they don't seem to function very well if you don't. As for how he responds in those cases of his past, I get what you are saying. For my Ryder, the more professional serious version I play, it is a mix of reason and without having a solid grey area where that could be articulated, he just decides what fits the moment best. Part of his reason was because he wanted to explore space, to be out there in the galaxy doing stuff but he was gimped by his dad's name because of the AI. So he has a mix of explore, get away and need a fresh start. He doesn't hate his dad. He understands WHY he did what he did, he just wished it didn't make him doing what he wanted to do such a problem (family name). But he loved his mom and also did want the AI to be able to save her. So he is the very definition of mixed emotions on that one. Coming to Andromeda gave him that fresh start he needed, but it was hugely due to him wanting to explore and be involved in things like the andromeda initiative, space exploration, meeting new races, and protecting people - helping them when he could. With Liam, he gets what Liam is all about very quickly (because over the years he has learned enough about people to size them up fast for the most part) and he just rolls with it realizing that Liam is a bit about to go off the deep end and if he doesn't take it down a bit in seriousness, Liam will probably lose his shit completely, which we pretty much see him almost doing later on in that whole mission (shooting the corpse endlessly). He also is a bit sarcastic at times as part of his personality. Like the weird alien machine commentary in their ship/base. He's out of his own depth here and he's got a bit of that in him but that is not how he is as a rule. It's just how he is occasionally. Maybe that will help you a little bit to try to have a character that works for you. I get where you are coming from because I had to find a way to adapt to it myself. Congrats, you just wrote a better and more complex version of main character. I tried to do the same and it works at first, but later you get plenty of cut-scenes which completely destroy this nice illusion of serious Ryder. I mean these group scenes where your companions ignore you completely and Ryder is like "hey, why did you all go?" looking like a beaten puppy or the one before meeting Angara "If I get eaten- even if it's funny- please delete all the vids". Also, if he had anything more in him, he wouldn't only speak with cliches. Imagination works much better if at least main character doesn't have a VA, and there are few\none cinematic cut scenes. In that scene where my ryder is 'hey where did you all go?' - in those types of scenes, they are more him thinking out loud for me, with a heavy side of 'this is what I am dealing with.' So he is sort of shaking his head at the lack of professionalism, even from Cora who has this huge issue with his dad giving him the pathfinder role. Yet, from a few conversations with her, he realizes how totally unfit she is for it. She's a follower, not a leader like him. He might joke a little but she is hung up on being rejected, on how to find SOMEONE to follow that she idolizes for whatever reason and clearly doesn't even think enough of her own ability to be able to lead if she were the pathfinder. They would be effed it if were her. So when those kind of comments happen, it's really him just thinking out loud how he is not surrounded by professionals and how expecting them to be professional is probably not going to work. Thus, if he wants to work well with them and get the most out of them, he has to be the one to adapt. My Ryder is very bright. He knows that the lives of tens of thousands of people are bearing down on him and he's got a bunch of barely fit to be in any kind of a command structure folks as his only source of help. Anti Military, anti nexus, anti serious, anti professional - he's gotta make it work because they sure won't. He is at the point where he basically just expects them to show up for a fight. He's trying to bring them along, to get them to fall in line the best he can. He does that by helping them, by gaining their respect and friendship because that's the best he can do. They wouldn't know command structure if it slapped them in the face, but they do understand loyalty as best as he can tell. Some of his wit and sarcasm is just him responding to the ridiculousness of the whole situation. I mean really, what was his father and Jien Garson thinking? Why did he not have a solid team ready to roll? Oh wait, he did and they all quit right out of the gate.
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Post by mrtijger on Apr 8, 2017 17:46:01 GMT
I have serious problems to romance anybody, really.Since I think that Liam is kinda "dumb". I play a female and wanted to date a male. But the only other options are "The criminal" from Kadara and the Angaran. I have nothing against Jaal. But do not particularly "like" the Angarans! I think they are a good idea but the concept is realized very poorly. The writing is not convincing at all. >>> After the first conversation with Evraa - I could have CONQUERED THEM >>>He gave me EVERYTHING on a silver plate. >>>HOW BLOODY NAIVE CAN A MILITARY LEADER BE - FOR REAL, PEOPLE!!!????!?!!?!?!? If you play a straight female ... your options are ... LIMITED. To say the least. 1. Liam is about 12 years old. 2. The criminal on Kadara is cute if you are yourself 12 years old. (I guess? I am a straight male ) 3. Jaal is from a race of 12 year olds. A nice guy ... but with the blandest character you can think of. (Jaal likes to smell good, clean himself and some "pew-pew action". How very lovely ) So, BioWare? Behind what door is my ... BLOODY SOULMATE ... ?"?"?"§%§$&§%&(/§%(/§% YEAH! BioWare destroyed their very last asset - The characters I hope I am not too negative here ... Oh, it is all in good fun ... I only spend about 80 bloody Euros on it! Right EA? Given your writing style you are at least 13, though, right?
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I have serious problems to romance anybody, really.Since I think that Liam is kinda "dumb". I play a female and wanted to date a male. But the only other options are "The criminal" from Kadara and the Angaran. I have nothing against Jaal. But do not particularly "like" the Angarans! I think they are a good idea but the concept is realized very poorly. The writing is not convincing at all. >>> After the first conversation with Evraa - I could have CONQUERED THEM >>>He gave me EVERYTHING on a silver plate. >>>HOW BLOODY NAIVE CAN A MILITARY LEADER BE - FOR REAL, PEOPLE!!!????!?!!?!?!? If you play a straight female ... your options are ... LIMITED. To say the least. 1. Liam is about 12 years old. 2. The criminal on Kadara is cute if you are yourself 12 years old. (I guess? I am a straight male ) 3. Jaal is from a race of 12 year olds. A nice guy ... but with the blandest character you can think of. (Jaal likes to smell good, clean himself and some "pew-pew action". How very lovely ) So, BioWare? Behind what door is my ... BLOODY SOULMATE ... ?"?"?"§%§$&§%&(/§%(/§% YEAH! BioWare destroyed their very last asset - The characters I hope I am not too negative here ... Oh, it is all in good fun ... I only spend about 80 bloody Euros on it! Right EA? Well, TBH, the whole crew is kind of suited for 12 year olds. Liam is a disaster. This guy is so far from any kind of military issue crisis response dude that he could very well be the one you have to respond too. What joker wrote him and thought having him lose his shit on a regular basis would be a solid plan to make a good character, most especially for the ONLY straight female non criminal romance? I think though that a huge part of this is because it is the first game in a series and the first game always has the least character development. And a lot of this is copy and past from ME1 with some changes to make each character 'new' but not really. Liam is really the only true new one and he is a mess. Jaal is a poor man's garrus. Drack is kind of a family oriented version of Wrex (kind of) Cora is Kaidan with a sex change. Vetra is Ash made over with a shift from Military to non military and laser focused on her sister rather than it being an aspect of her. PB is the what if scenario for Liara. Sort of took everything Liara was and flipped it upsidedown. Liam - I don't think there is anyone he compares to. What is sad is that they took all Drew's work and copied it and the only original one to the group from the ME1 copy and paste job is the one that not many like. And they made him kind of unstable cuz we really need more unstable crew in the vagabond bunch.
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Post by Panda on Apr 8, 2017 18:05:02 GMT
I haven't played yet and have been hearing conflicting information about this, which is bit worrying. Some - in this thread and others- claim that you can't decide Ryder's personalities at all and some say that they have managed of playing their Ryders fine. Bioware has previously had bit different approach with this- Hawke was quite close to set character although there was still chance of doing your Hawke, Shepard bit closer of creating your own character and Warden and Inquisitor really giving you chance to design your own characters. I'd prefer if Ryders weren't anymore set than Hawke at least since that's as far I'd like to go, but I guess I have to play the game to see myself if I can create bubbly and outgoing male!Ryder and introverted and serious fem!Ryder.
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Post by Bioware-Critic on Apr 8, 2017 18:06:59 GMT
mrtijger You are reeding me wrong, mrtijger! 1. I like to ridicule the sillyness of this million dollar business. 2. And I would like to get the point across of how very "insane or stupid" some of these game design choices really are. All from a personal point of view of course. As a gamer, a BioWare fan and a consumer in general. Cheerio!
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 8, 2017 18:19:30 GMT
I haven't played yet and have been hearing conflicting information about this, which is bit worrying. Some - in this thread and others- claim that you can't decide Ryder's personalities at all and some say that they have managed of playing their Ryders fine. Bioware has previously had bit different approach with this- Hawke was quite close to set character although there was still chance of doing your Hawke, Shepard bit closer of creating your own character and Warden and Inquisitor really giving you chance to design your own characters. I'd prefer if Ryders weren't anymore set than Hawke at least since that's as far I'd like to go, but I guess I have to play the game to see myself if I can create bubbly and outgoing male!Ryder and introverted and serious fem!Ryder. It depends on the kind of character you want to play, I think. For instance, Shepard could be a serious asshole in a way that Ryder can't. I don't miss this myself since I don't think the trilogy handled this very well, and in any event I don't really enjoy playing characters like that.
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I haven't played yet and have been hearing conflicting information about this, which is bit worrying. Some - in this thread and others- claim that you can't decide Ryder's personalities at all and some say that they have managed of playing their Ryders fine. Bioware has previously had bit different approach with this- Hawke was quite close to set character although there was still chance of doing your Hawke, Shepard bit closer of creating your own character and Warden and Inquisitor really giving you chance to design your own characters. I'd prefer if Ryders weren't anymore set than Hawke at least since that's as far I'd like to go, but I guess I have to play the game to see myself if I can create bubbly and outgoing male!Ryder and introverted and serious fem!Ryder. Ryder has a LOT of autodialogue. She's very chatty, and talks a lot throughout missions - so your goal of creating an introvert probably won't work very well. That said, the chatter is mostly matter-of-fact, commenting about where they are and what they're doing. There are some occasional sort-of clever lines, which some people interpret as cracking jokes. It doesn't come across as all heavy and serious, but more... adventurous, I suppose. Ryder is very much Ryder, and your options are generally much more subtle and nuanced than some of the more extreme options provided for other RPG PCs - though there are also some places where Ryder can be harsh / badass. ETA: For me, it's somewhat like learning to play Hawke. I had to first figure out Hawke before I could make any attempt to role-play the character. If you go in looking to create a specific type of character personality, you might not succeed. That's also fairly true of the CC, and one of the reasons why a lot of people are so unhappy with it.
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Post by Panda on Apr 8, 2017 18:59:51 GMT
I haven't played yet and have been hearing conflicting information about this, which is bit worrying. Some - in this thread and others- claim that you can't decide Ryder's personalities at all and some say that they have managed of playing their Ryders fine. Bioware has previously had bit different approach with this- Hawke was quite close to set character although there was still chance of doing your Hawke, Shepard bit closer of creating your own character and Warden and Inquisitor really giving you chance to design your own characters. I'd prefer if Ryders weren't anymore set than Hawke at least since that's as far I'd like to go, but I guess I have to play the game to see myself if I can create bubbly and outgoing male!Ryder and introverted and serious fem!Ryder. Ryder has a LOT of autodialogue. She's very chatty, and talks a lot throughout missions - so your goal of creating an introvert probably won't work very well. That said, the chatter is mostly matter-of-fact, commenting about where they are and what they're doing. There are some occasional sort-of clever lines, which some people interpret as cracking jokes. It doesn't come across as all heavy and serious, but more... adventurous, I suppose. Ryder is very much Ryder, and your options are generally much more subtle and nuanced than some of the more extreme options provided for other RPG PCs - though there are also some places where Ryder can be harsh / badass. ETA: For me, it's somewhat like learning to play Hawke. I had to first figure out Hawke before I could make any attempt to role-play the character. If you go in looking to create a specific type of character personality, you might not succeed. That's also fairly true of the CC, and one of the reasons why a lot of people are so unhappy with it. I guess the auto-dialogue is the problem. When you can decide between dialogue options it's pretty much always about building your character and auto-dialogue can clash with that. But auto-dialogue being mostly matter-of-fact doesn't sound that bad. Hmm I guess you are right about learning what you can do with your character in different games. DA2 and ME Trilogy had pretty clear cut system for that with blue, purple and red Hawkes and paragon, renegade and mix of two Shepards. I did design my Hawke's and Shepard's based on those systems. DAO and DAI in other hand gave more freedom to create your characters, but you had to figure them out more, it wasn't as simple. I guess I don't have still that clear view of what I can do with ME:A cause it seems to have tone's like DAI at certain points, but lot of choices between two and auto-dialogue as well. I like going in to games with quite heavily designed characters, but maybe I should try a test run with ME:A before doing trying to do twins I have already created in my mind ^^
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 8, 2017 19:17:08 GMT
There is absolutely no way of playing an introvert in this game. Zero, zilch, nada.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 19:20:23 GMT
Ryder has a LOT of autodialogue. She's very chatty, and talks a lot throughout missions - so your goal of creating an introvert probably won't work very well. That said, the chatter is mostly matter-of-fact, commenting about where they are and what they're doing. There are some occasional sort-of clever lines, which some people interpret as cracking jokes. It doesn't come across as all heavy and serious, but more... adventurous, I suppose. Ryder is very much Ryder, and your options are generally much more subtle and nuanced than some of the more extreme options provided for other RPG PCs - though there are also some places where Ryder can be harsh / badass. ETA: For me, it's somewhat like learning to play Hawke. I had to first figure out Hawke before I could make any attempt to role-play the character. If you go in looking to create a specific type of character personality, you might not succeed. That's also fairly true of the CC, and one of the reasons why a lot of people are so unhappy with it. I guess the auto-dialogue is the problem. When you can decide between dialogue options it's pretty much always about building your character and auto-dialogue can clash with that. But auto-dialogue being mostly matter-of-fact doesn't sound that bad. Hmm I guess you are right about learning what you can do with your character in different games. DA2 and ME Trilogy had pretty clear cut system for that with blue, purple and red Hawkes and paragon, renegade and mix of two Shepards. I did design my Hawke's and Shepard's based on those systems. DAO and DAI in other hand gave more freedom to create your characters, but you had to figure them out more, it wasn't as simple. I guess I don't have still that clear view of what I can do with ME:A cause it seems to have tone's like DAI at certain points, but lot of choices between two and auto-dialogue as well. I like going in to games with quite heavily designed characters, but maybe I should try a test run with ME:A before doing trying to do twins I have already created in my mind ^^ That's pretty much what I do, at least with a voiced PC in a cinematic game. Once you get a feel for Ryder, you'll be better able to figure out what kind of Ryder you can play to your satisfaction - otherwise, you might find it pretty frustrating. That really only works for those of us who aren't "one and done" players. Some people play through their games only one time, and then move on to something else. I usually re-play, though I guess it depends on the game. Anyway - hope you enjoy your time exploring the new wonders that await you in Andromeda!
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 8, 2017 21:49:08 GMT
I have serious problems to romance anybody, really.Since I think that Liam is kinda "dumb". I play a female and wanted to date a male. But the only other options are "The criminal" from Kadara and the Angaran. I have nothing against Jaal. But do not particularly "like" the Angarans! I think they are a good idea but the concept is realized very poorly. The writing is not convincing at all. >>> After the first conversation with Evraa - I could have CONQUERED THEM >>>He gave me EVERYTHING on a silver plate. >>>HOW BLOODY NAIVE CAN A MILITARY LEADER BE - FOR REAL, PEOPLE!!!????!?!!?!?!? If you play a straight female ... your options are ... LIMITED. To say the least. 1. Liam is about 12 years old. 2. The criminal on Kadara is cute if you are yourself 12 years old. (I guess? I am a straight male ) 3. Jaal is from a race of 12 year olds. A nice guy ... but with the blandest character you can think of. (Jaal likes to smell good, clean himself and some "pew-pew action". How very lovely ) So, BioWare? Behind what door is my ... BLOODY SOULMATE ... ?"?"?"§%§$&§%&(/§%(/§% YEAH! BioWare destroyed their very last asset - The characters I hope I am not too negative here ... Oh, it is all in good fun ... I only spend about 80 bloody Euros on it! Right EA? Wow. You are so mature.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 9, 2017 3:38:47 GMT
I for one, honestly find my Ryder awesome, not one trait I dislike(1), everything I picked fits perfectly with the "preset" stuff. Thing is though, will another Ryder with different chosen lines and mission choices be as cool ? Probably not. Or, according to some of what I'm seeing here, yes she will be, because she'll be basically the same anyway. Which isn't a good sign either way.
(1)aside that ever-present wiggly hip walk&run animation *shakes fist*
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Post by suikoden on Apr 9, 2017 4:15:43 GMT
I have serious problems to romance anybody, really.Since I think that Liam is kinda "dumb". I play a female and wanted to date a male. But the only other options are "The criminal" from Kadara and the Angaran. I have nothing against Jaal. But do not particularly "like" the Angarans! I think they are a good idea but the concept is realized very poorly. The writing is not convincing at all. >>> After the first conversation with Evraa - I could have CONQUERED THEM >>>He gave me EVERYTHING on a silver plate. >>>HOW BLOODY NAIVE CAN A MILITARY LEADER BE - FOR REAL, PEOPLE!!!????!?!!?!?!? If you play a straight female ... your options are ... LIMITED. To say the least. 1. Liam is about 12 years old. 2. The criminal on Kadara is cute if you are yourself 12 years old. (I guess? I am a straight male ) 3. Jaal is from a race of 12 year olds. A nice guy ... but with the blandest character you can think of. (Jaal likes to smell good, clean himself and some "pew-pew action". How very lovely ) So, BioWare? Behind what door is my ... BLOODY SOULMATE ... ?"?"?"§%§$&§%&(/§%(/§% YEAH! BioWare destroyed their very last asset - The characters I hope I am not too negative here ... Oh, it is all in good fun ... I only spend about 80 bloody Euros on it! Right EA? Wow. You are so mature. Didn't see anything wrong with his post - I actually like how he put the time and effort in to spice it up a bit to get his ideas out there. And you're a huge dick.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 9, 2017 4:59:07 GMT
Looks like we have the usual suspects on the usual sides.
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Post by House Targaryen on Apr 9, 2017 5:49:47 GMT
Not an RPG? Ohhh
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 9, 2017 7:36:56 GMT
I want to play a Shepard who treats her crew nicely but treat everyone else very cruelly. But I can't really do that in OT because it will screw me over if I don't stick to being an jerk the whole game. They didn't fix that until the ME 3.
The original paragon/renegade system is bad for role playing, it limits your way of reacting to things and making Shepard's personality very extreme. While Ryder's personality is more subtle, Lexi will even give you a review of your personality in the codex.
Renegade wasn't evil, Shepard was never a evil person, just like Ryder.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 9, 2017 7:49:44 GMT
I want to play a Shepard who treats her crew nicely but treat everyone else very cruelly. But I can't really do that in OT because it will screw me over if I don't stick to being an jerk the whole game. They didn't fix that until the ME 3. The original paragon/renegade system is bad for role playing, it limits your way of reacting to things and making Shepard's personality very extreme. While Ryder's personality is more subtle, Lexi will even give you a review of your personality in the codex. Renegade wasn't evil, Shepard was never a evil person, just like Ryder. I think a lot of people would prefer choosing between two extremes, vs the same thing stated 4 different ways, where essentially, the only role-playing that is going on, is through your imagination. Most of the time you don't even get 4 options - just 2, which again, are just generally just 2 different ways you can say "yes" - I'd take Shepard's extremes over the banality of Andromeda's dialogue options anyday.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 9, 2017 7:53:18 GMT
Well I've just found out I'm 12 years old as I quite like Ryder, and the fact she doesn't have a stick up her arse or is just a carbon copy of Shep. Nor a sop to all you edgelords.
You lot should market it- being able to knock 25 years off someone's life would sell like hot cakes.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 9, 2017 8:58:35 GMT
Didn't see anything wrong with his post - I actually like how he put the time and effort in to spice it up a bit to get his ideas out there. And you're a huge dick. You didn't? Of course not, you've been spending the last couple of months of your life on hating on the game. But he called everyone a 12 year old that had a certain opinion. There's nothing constructive about that.
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Post by fraggle on Apr 9, 2017 9:19:21 GMT
I want to play a Shepard who treats her crew nicely but treat everyone else very cruelly. But I can't really do that in OT because it will screw me over if I don't stick to being an jerk the whole game. They didn't fix that until the ME 3. You can play a Shepard that treats their crew nicely and be a dick to others. I've done it a few times and the majority of my Shepards are a mix between Paragon and Renegade. Never had much of an issue with the meter. It's possible to completely fill out either the Renegade or Paragon side in ME2 and still manage to get the other side of the meter up to around half. Panda I agree with what pasquale said. Just play once to try and see what Ryder is like. At first I was super disappointed by the dialogue choices because it limits you a lot on how you can roleplay Ryder. My second run (NG+ with the same character) is more smooth, though sometimes still immersion-breaking, but with headcanon and background ideas I am now okay enough with Ryder. I guess you will have no problem at all if you love to play sarcastic and witty characters. I mostly don't, but I guess that's my own problem
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Post by suikoden on Apr 9, 2017 9:30:38 GMT
Didn't see anything wrong with his post - I actually like how he put the time and effort in to spice it up a bit to get his ideas out there. And you're a huge dick. You didn't? Of course not, you've been spending the last couple of months of your life on hating on the game. But he called everyone a 12 year old that had a certain opinion. There's nothing constructive about that. He didn't call everyone a 12 year old... He said if you like the criminal minor romance character you might be 12 - and considering the dialogue for those scenes are pretty juvenile, you could argue that's accurate. He just comes across as a passionate fan that's having fun. And comments don't have to be constructive - welcome to the internet.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 9, 2017 9:34:15 GMT
You didn't? Of course not, you've been spending the last couple of months of your life on hating on the game. But he called everyone a 12 year old that had a certain opinion. There's nothing constructive about that. He didn't call everyone a 12 year old... He said if you like the criminal minor romance character you might be 12 - and considering the dialogue for those scenes are pretty juvenile, you could argue that's accurate. He just comes across as a passionate fan that's having fun. And comments don't have to be constructive - welcome to the internet. Just like you are 'passionate fan having fun', right? And that's quite a resume you gave of his post. You glanced over how he basically called everyone and everything in the game for 12 year olds, didn't you? Anything to suit your narrative. Anything to suit your agenda.
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