This game is NOT an RPG. It is IMPOSSIBLE to rolepay

I disliked the system from the OT for it's limitations as well. But the new system does not give you four options all the time.

But I really think the new system SHOULD give you four options all the time! The devs should stick to this and hold the line there. This new approach gives us as players more room to manauver which is good and NEEDED. It enhances the storytelling the roleplaying and the game experience in general!

But for some reason the devs break out of that new system and force us down the old "two option system" again. It makes no sense to me. Especially when this is so integral for these kind of games they make, to give us a viable roleplaying system and a character that can be filled with life and which can properly react to the issues at hand !?
It feels unnecessary simplyfied and boring, quite frankly to take away the "four option system" and replace it with something so basic!

When you add to this predicament the facts, that

1) Some options give you the exact same dialogue for Ryder even though there are two options to choose from (they did that already in ME3 and it was frustrating there as well) ... AND ...

2) That they worded your "dialogue wheel choices", you "buttons to click on" if you will, in a way that they do not even loosely represent the lines you are gonna trigger with them ...

MAN! Frustration for anybody who cares about the dialogue!


All of these problems were already present in the ME trilogy AND the DA series.
It was talked about all of this in the past with the devs and the fans. On panels and so on ...
Everybody agreed on what is less favorable and what was a clear mistake for everyone all around.
For example the dialogue options we pick which then don't match the lines spoken by the PC!

HOW ON EARTH IS BIOWARE REPEATING THESE "TABOOS" ALL OVER AGAIN ???!?

All in all, jf8350143, BioWare gives us characters to roleplay them. And if they don't work for roleplaying that should be something they care about and work on with a passion.
But frankly, I don't know how much work they will put in for this because the game right now looks to me like it is only half finished and there is a lot that will never be fixed because it would change the already released product too much or would be too much work. I don't know really. I kinda am just disappointed and disillusioned, I guess.

I would love for BioWare to fix these issues as well.

Well, the "some reason" should be obvious. You're asking for a lot more dialogue nodes for every dialogue. This means either shrinking the entire game or having a lot more time between dialogues, assuming a constant budget (which we should if we want to keep talking sensibly.)I

Not everyone has your point 2 problem. I had one bad dialogue in DA2, and one in ME1 that was mostly me not understanding the P/R implementation.

... on the panels ...

... and the people who were involved ...

Sigh.

You numb in the head or something worse ??

Seems so

Well, the devs said as much in a general terminology just as I. Of course ... a word like "everyone" is to general. Okay fine. No need to get salty or something over this.

Anyways. All I am saying is that I think that the four answers are a nice improvement over the two options and that I like some room to maneuver while rolepleaying. Many players requested it and the devs themselves liked to change it to improve on that. And that it is my thinking that it is a real improvement which should not be watered down in any way because it is important!

Aside from that ...

Even having the illusion of having four options ... which will nevertheless only lead to two different outcomes, but with a different tone is a solid advantage for me. I like that. And I simply want the devs to keep it straight there. That is practically my point.

There is no need to read anything else into it. But hey, to exchange and express opinions is why we are here.


Edit: It was on the ... "PAX East 2012 - Dragon Age Panel" ... where they said it. I just googled it. In the aftermath of DA2.
But they talked about it a lot and even showed it on the DA:I panel. The "annotations" - Anybody remember? It is all the same issue.
And now they fall into old traps again ...

Exactly!

And this is also what the devs pointed out when they talked about why they did change it in this way.

Of course this is no secret and not difficult to understand.

Except when you start losing ME2 persuasion options because you don't have the points.

Depends a bit, but yes it can be tricky especially if you aren't doing everything and getting enough points. I have played ME2 four times and all times with mix of paragon and renegade and had two options to pick most of the time. If you can't pick something it might mean that you are too early to it, for example I couldn't pick either at Zaeed's quest at first since it needed tons of paragon to keep him loyal in the end of "paragon route", but in other quests I was perfectly fine.

 Personally I see the neutral not giving you anything the biggest problem, since it makes it always bad choice that prevents you getting those red and blue points you need so it's not perfect system no. Just not as limited as some made it sound like, you can do quite many types of characters when mixing two.

I've found ME2 to be a lot more... tolerable since I got it on PC (I originally played on PS3).

I altered the config to give some weapons unlimited ammo, and use console commands to give my character a boatload of P/R points, resources, and credits.  Now that I can play it without worrying about accumulating P/R points, chasing thermal clips, scanning for resources, or returning to hubs once I get enough credits to buy stuff - it's not nearly as aggravating.  Not having to wait... and wait... through load screens to visit other decks of the Normandy and the mod that bypasses the hacking mini-games are bonuses (although those weren't nearly so bad as ME1's, they start to feel like a nuisance after a playthrough or two.)

Yes, and the "possible" bit means that you're... heartily encouraged to do all of the side quests. IIRC, the available points are increased when you enter a hub for the first time - so, for example, your arrival at Omega will add Omega's available P/R points to the denominator in that % calculation.

It wasn't terribad on my first playthrough, but my imported Shepard had pretty high point totals on both sides of P/R. Re-importing (ME2-->ME2) was a big mistake, because the P/R points were wiped.

The P/R system as implemented in MET limited your choices.  In order to use any of the P/R dialogue or interrupts, you first had to earn the privilege of accessing them by accumulating points.

I think what you're really asking for is a wider variety of behavioral options for your character - not so much the specific mechanics of P/R, though, right?

i do think this is where a lot of the problem comes from. Ryders age and relative inexperience. I've tried being a jerk with my Ryder on a lot of occasions and it comes off as hollow and the npcs usually experience incredulity or annoyance since Ryder hasn't been able to back up those options. If Shepard had said some of these lines i bet their would be a lot more wetting of bed pans...though maybe not from Tann because he's an idiot.

Bottom line this is really one of the reasons i am looking forward to Andromeda 2 with Ryder because again MY Ryder is starting to Mature and I'd love to see the fruits of that.

Maybe they can add.. Or replace one of the tones with a peaceful/aggressive (ala DA 2)

Clearly you're roleplaying wrong