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Post by dazk on Apr 17, 2018 6:12:32 GMT
Hey Element Zero its been a while, good to see you back. IF it follows on to Greece what time period do you think they'll jump to? Hey, dazk , sorry I disappeared again. I’ve been busy with other things. I’m also trying to sleep at night instead of hanging on the BSN. Hey man no worries, was beginning to worry though as you'd been away for a while but good on you for doing what you needed to do I haven't played the DLC for Origins yet, decided to play MET again which has had its highs and lows, just installing ME3 now. Will probably do the DLC for Origins after that and I am hoping it'll inspire me to do another full PT, NG+. Look forward to hopefully hearing more from you in the near future.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Apr 17, 2018 18:32:57 GMT
I agree! Isidora is GORGEOUS ETA: Glad you're doing okay Element Zero and hi dazk! I haven't been playing much single player games atm. Mostly my on again/off again love/hate relationship with WoW atm
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Post by dazk on Apr 17, 2018 20:40:39 GMT
I agree! Isidora is GORGEOUS ETA: Glad you're doing okay Element Zero and hi dazk ! I haven't been playing much single player games atm. Mostly my on again/off again love/hate relationship with WoW atm Hey Kaidan Fan I was just wondering yesterday where you'd been, hope all is well with you How is WoW, I have never played it?
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Apr 18, 2018 18:30:05 GMT
I agree! Isidora is GORGEOUS ETA: Glad you're doing okay Element Zero and hi dazk ! I haven't been playing much single player games atm. Mostly my on again/off again love/hate relationship with WoW atm Hey Kaidan Fan I was just wondering yesterday where you'd been, hope all is well with you How is WoW, I have never played it? Everything is okay, thanks! Hope you're doing well too So WoW is an mmo, though I play mostly alone. There are dungeons and raids to do. Lost of daily world quests. A class hall with followers and missions to send them on. It's fun but can be a bit overwhelming with the amount of stuff to do, but I'm mostly used to it as I've been playing mmo's for way too many years (about 17'ish, lol). I usually play SWtOR, but I ended up getting a couple free months so I used my subscription money to go back to WoW, even though I'd been gone for almost 6 yrs because SWtOR is waiting on new stuff to do. It can be grindy (all mmo's fall victim to this I think) but I've been having fun, mostly. Let me know if you want to try either! And some ACO news: This Month In Assassin's CreedNot sure if the panel released today or if it's for next week, I couldn't find a date. Sorry!
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 19, 2018 18:42:00 GMT
I hope everyone has fun with it. I think it’s cool that we get to see The Duelist’s face. (She looks white, though, if I’m seeing correctly? Surprising.) I always felt badly killing her in the Arena. She was very unique. I talked to people who somehow didn’t note the fact that she’s a woman. 🤨 Maybe they’re deaf? I'm not ready to revisit ACO, and likely won’t be for a long time. I’m glad it’s in my library, though. It’s a polished, fun adventure. I almost wish a new AC were coming in November. (I’m glad they’re taking time between releases. The lack of innovation caused by that yearly release schedule nearly destroyed the IP.) I’m still waiting for an AC game set in Asia. Asia is a big place with lots of cultures, history, etc... I’d love to see something set in China, South Asia, Japan*, or really any lesser known (in the West) time and place. * Japan is an interesting one. The popular idea of ninja as clans of asymmetric warriors and assassins is pure bunk. (Misinformation is so widespread that it’s hard to convince many, who prefer the fables to the facts.) They never existed. Ninja were spies very much in the mold of modern spies: gather info quietly. AC’s Assassins, though, could easily work as a “mountain clan” in secret strongholds who wage assymetric warfare against daimyos. If they ever make an AC in feudal Japan, maybe they could frame the Brotherhood as the source of modern “ninja mythology”? I’m sure this would invite some fanboy backlash. I think they’ve always avoided Japan because their research has led them to the facts that ninja never existed as people believe. Do you build a historically accurate game and invite backlash from the “ninja flat-worlders”, or do you just avoid the place entirely?
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Apr 22, 2018 17:40:22 GMT
I started up ACO the other night and looked at the animus panel. There were so many things to change I got intimidated. Then I was afraid to "hack" my one and only save so I shut the game back off I'm sure I'll get the nerve at some point. If I do I'll let you guys know. It won't be to make the game more EDGYHARDCORE though, it will be to make it RIDICULOUS!
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Post by dazk on Apr 22, 2018 23:25:09 GMT
I started up ACO the other night and looked at the animus panel. There were so many things to change I got intimidated. Then I was afraid to "hack" my one and only save so I shut the game back off I'm sure I'll get the nerve at some point. If I do I'll let you guys know. It won't be to make the game more EDGYHARDCORE though, it will be to make it RIDICULOUS! I hate that feeling when you get something new and then freak out and go OMG what if I break my game!!!!! ACO is a few games down the list for me atm but hopefully not too far off!!!
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Post by slimgrin727 on Apr 23, 2018 0:12:27 GMT
I started up ACO the other night and looked at the animus panel. There were so many things to change I got intimidated. Then I was afraid to "hack" my one and only save so I shut the game back off I'm sure I'll get the nerve at some point. If I do I'll let you guys know. It won't be to make the game more EDGYHARDCORE though, it will be to make it RIDICULOUS! I hate that feeling when you get something new and then freak out and go OMG what if I break my game!!!!! ACO is a few games down the list for me atm but hopefully not too far off!!! I would argue it's the best looking open world game out right now, and for me, the best AC game. I've tried five of them and this game is easily my favorite.
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Post by Nikhilty on Apr 23, 2018 4:58:19 GMT
I started up ACO the other night and looked at the animus panel. There were so many things to change I got intimidated. Then I was afraid to "hack" my one and only save so I shut the game back off I'm sure I'll get the nerve at some point. If I do I'll let you guys know. It won't be to make the game more EDGYHARDCORE though, it will be to make it RIDICULOUS! I hate that feeling when you get something new and then freak out and go OMG what if I break my game!!!!! ACO is a few games down the list for me atm but hopefully not too far off!!! I haven't yet had time to play around with the control panel much myself, but in case you guys didn't already find out, your saves will be safe. It automatically makes a "hacked" copy when you choose to apply one of the presets. You still have your original save as well, in other words.
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Post by dazk on Apr 23, 2018 5:43:55 GMT
I hate that feeling when you get something new and then freak out and go OMG what if I break my game!!!!! ACO is a few games down the list for me atm but hopefully not too far off!!! I haven't yet had time to play around with the control panel much myself, but in case you guys didn't already find out, your saves will be safe. It automatically makes a "hacked" copy when you choose to apply one of the presets. You still have your original save as well, in other words. Thanks for letting us know
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Post by Element Zero on May 4, 2018 5:45:23 GMT
I hate that feeling when you get something new and then freak out and go OMG what if I break my game!!!!! ACO is a few games down the list for me atm but hopefully not too far off!!! I would argue it's the best looking open world game out right now, and for me, the best AC game. I've tried five of them and this game is easily my favorite. I felt like it looked better at release than it does now. (PS4Pro) There was a definite downgrade in visuals at some point. Before they, I thought it was neck and neck with HZD, with each having its respective strengths. Now, though, I think HZD remains well ahead of it, at least in terms of console games. I'm sure ACO can look absolutely stunning on the right PC.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 4, 2018 16:23:38 GMT
I just finished the main game of Origins yesterday after 90 hours with 97% completion (I think the only thing missing is the Hippodrome races but they are too hard for me, could only win the first tournament there, the next one got too frustrating). As you may have seen in the other thread, I think it's an awesome game. If I had to pick flaws, it would probabaly be that the main story is a bit on the weak side. Still, I did like when they used the AC2 theme music, once the brotherhood was created. A bit cheap ut still cool. Also, I can't believe I didn't really realize that the music we heard in game before has a lot of the chords from that music, just either distorted or in the background, like echoes or auditory shadows. Well played there Ubi composers, well played. A few questions remain. Maybe someone here has some answers for me (spoilers ahead): 1) So what's up with the present day story? Last I saw was Layla and William waiting for the chopper. Is there no ending there? I still have to play the DLCs but it doesn't look like they'll advance the present day story at all. Cliffhanger? If so, it's a shitty one. I mean, the old ACs with Desmond also always ended in Cliffhangers but at least they were interesting ones, here it's just like they stopped somewhere in the middle. They could at least have added a small segment in/under present day Alexandria, where William and Layla find Bayek's apple and end it with some templars showing up or something. Also, a shame they didn't get John de Lancie to voice him again, what's up with that? 2) In a side quest, I had to kill some dude called "General Agrippa". Who is that supposed to be? The famous Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa would have been very young at the time this game takes place. He lived until 12BC and is mainly known for his work under Octavianus/Augustus, after the game ends. Now, he had an older brother who did serve in North Africa but he was on Cato's side against Cesar in the civil war, so why would he be a General for Flavius? Or is it supposed to be some unknown Agrippa, who just happens to have the same name? That was confusing, especially because we don't get any hints. 3) Not really a question but more of a comment: So I see they went with the Shakespeare version of Cesar's assassination (him saying "you, too my child" and all). I'd have gone with Plutarch's version, as he seems to be just about the closest to a contemporary source we can get (even though even he was 100 years removed from the actual events). According to him, Cesar said nothing after being stabbed by everyone and just pulled his toga over his head. The HBO series "Rome" used that depiction for his death for example. 4) Another comment: I liked that Aya became Ammunette. I was wondering what was going on with that, since we know about Ammunette since AC2. 5) So, the messages from the ancient artifacts/monoliths are extra cryptic this time around, right? I assume, since they seem to talk to Layla more than Bayek and since Bayek doesn't even comment on their weirdness at all, that they were not really in ancient Egypt and that Bayek didn't really find them. So this is not part of Bayek's memories but rather they were somehow inserted into the animus simulation, how exactly remains unknown. They also hint at the fact that time is somewhat circular, that a variety of scenarios play out over and over again until they lead to one point at which there is only one single event possible - the end of the world. The ancients had the ability to see the future beyond this point by simulating it to the extent where they could make predictions with an insane amount of accuracy. From what I gather, Desmod's actions only delayed the end of the world, because time itself somehow demands it to happen. Why and how remains unknown at this point. So what about reality? Is it a simulation as well? How will Layla (or anyone else) be able to break out of it (as the recordings suggest we must to stop the end of humankind)? Questions abound... Anyway, it's onward to the DLCs now.
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Post by Element Zero on May 4, 2018 16:47:29 GMT
AnDromedary, I had the same issue/reaction with Agrippa. I think he’s a non-historical character who’s mildly inspired by the real Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. It’s clearly not the same dude, so I just treat him as “some dude” who shares the name and rubs elbows with some of the same people, though in earlier years. Do you think the sequel will pursue the Antony and Cleopatra threads to their conclusion? There’s still a ton of major history to be visited, if they wish, in connection with this group of characters. Even in the DLCs, Bayek’s timeline is only modestly advanced.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 4, 2018 18:18:35 GMT
AnDromedary , I had the same issue/reaction with Agrippa. I think he’s a non-historical character who’s mildly inspired by the real Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. It’s clearly not the same dude, so I just treat him as “some dude” who shares the name and rubs elbows with some of the same people, though in earlier years. Do you think the sequel will pursue the Antony and Cleopatra threads to their conclusion? There’s still a ton of major history to be visited, if they wish, in connection with this group of characters. Even in the DLCs, Bayek’s timeline is only modestly advanced. I could certainly imagine a sequel that deals with Antony, Cleopatra and the likes, maybe one in which Aya/Ammunette is the main character. There'd be plenty of drama in that. I heard a rumor on the interwebz that the sequel is supposed to take place in Greece during the Flavian Dynsty, which would put it about 100 years later. If those rumors are true, we wouldn't see anything of Antony and Cleopatra but who knows. Personally, I wouldn't really mind either way. I could go for a sequel that stays in that period more or less but actually, after almost 100 hours in Egypt (and north-African Greek and Roman colonies), I feel that having another game set in a similar setting could be a bit much. Personally, I'd much rather move on to a different scenario (like feudal Asia for example). But knowing Ubisoft, I wouldn't be surprised if they give us at least one more AC in a similar setting to Bayek's (if just to reuse assets ). BTW, just updated my post above to add a 5th question, concerning the ancient recordings. I know a lot of people just want to have the historical settings but I think both, the present day story and the whole story concerning the ancients is also super interesting and is definitely part of what I find fascinating about the AC universe. I really hope they keep that aspect up (and maybe improve upon it).
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Post by Element Zero on May 4, 2018 20:03:28 GMT
AnDromedary , I had the same issue/reaction with Agrippa. I think he’s a non-historical character who’s mildly inspired by the real Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa. It’s clearly not the same dude, so I just treat him as “some dude” who shares the name and rubs elbows with some of the same people, though in earlier years. Do you think the sequel will pursue the Antony and Cleopatra threads to their conclusion? There’s still a ton of major history to be visited, if they wish, in connection with this group of characters. Even in the DLCs, Bayek’s timeline is only modestly advanced. I could certainly imagine a sequel that deals with Antony, Cleopatra and the likes, maybe one in which Aya/Ammunette is the main character. There'd be plenty of drama in that. I heard a rumor on the interwebz that the sequel is supposed to take place in Greece during the Flavian Dynsty, which would put it about 100 years later. If those rumors are true, we wouldn't see anything of Antony and Cleopatra but who knows. Personally, I wouldn't really mind either way. I could go for a sequel that stays in that period more or less but actually, after almost 100 hours in Egypt (and north-African Greek and Roman colonies), I feel that having another game set in a similar setting could be a bit much. Personally, I'd much rather move on to a different scenario (like feudal Asia for example). But knowing Ubisoft, I wouldn't be surprised if they give us at least one more AC in a similar setting to Bayek's (if just to reuse assets ). BTW, just updated my post above to add a 5th question, concerning the ancient recordings. I know a lot of people just want to have the historical settings but I think both, the present day story and the whole story concerning the ancients is also super interesting and is definitely part of what I find fascinating about the AC universe. I really hope they keep that aspect up (and maybe improve upon it). Agreed all around. Bayek was so well received that I’d not be surprised with another game with him as the protagonist. I heard the same setting rumor, but thought it got debunked. That doesn’t mean we won’t see Greece next; just that this particular rumor was fabricated. I think we have a high probability of seeing Greece next. I too would love to see an Asian game. Warring States China (probably off the table, given the timeline), Sengoku Japan, various South Asian kingdoms and empires— there is a lot of potential in all those turbulent eras. Plus, it would introduce the western audience to something new. I like the Isu storyline. I wish Bayek had reacted in some fashion to the crazy stuff he was discovering. Still, I’m glad it was included. With the focus of these new messages, it makes me think that an old idea might be implemented. Nolan North once talked about how Desmond was eventually going to learn to transition physically through time, rather than just reliving memories. All those messages regarding the “illusion” or malleability of time make me think this might be back on the table. Desmond’s arc, and the entire series, took a huge turn when the original writing team departed in a nasty internal struggle.
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Post by slimgrin727 on May 4, 2018 21:44:01 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Bayerk is not that interesting? He's likeable and charismatic, mostly due to his VOs, but there's not much going on beneath the surface.
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Post by AnDromedary on May 4, 2018 21:45:47 GMT
Nolan North once talked about how Desmond was eventually going to learn to transition physically through time, rather than just reliving memories. All those messages regarding the “illusion” or malleability of time make me think this might be back on the table. Desmond’s arc, and the entire series, took a huge turn when the original writing team departed in a nasty internal struggle. Yea, I heard that rumor as well. Not sure how I feel about real time travel in the AC universe. I guess it would depend on how it is implemented. For now, I really liked how the transcended the "old" saying of the Assassin's "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" in the last message but going "nothing is real, everything is permitted". When before, it was mainly this whole point about order vs. freedom and assassins vs. templars, now it's more of a statement about the subjectivity about our reality. I really like that transformation.slimgrin727 slimgrin727 : Yea, I thought Bayek was ok, definitely better than a few other AC protagonists I could name but he also wasn't that great that i'd need another game with him. As I wrote, if they stay within the time period, I think Aya could be the more interesting choice for a full-on protag.
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Post by dazk on May 4, 2018 22:31:19 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Bayerk is not that interesting? He's likeable and charismatic, mostly due to his VOs, but there's not much going on beneath the surface. No you are not alone You hit the nail on the head, he is likeable and charismatic but he's almost too nice.
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Post by dazk on May 4, 2018 22:33:16 GMT
Nolan North once talked about how Desmond was eventually going to learn to transition physically through time, rather than just reliving memories. All those messages regarding the “illusion” or malleability of time make me think this might be back on the table. Desmond’s arc, and the entire series, took a huge turn when the original writing team departed in a nasty internal struggle. Yea, I heard that rumor as well. Not sure how I feel about real time travel in the AC universe. I guess it would depend on how it is implemented. For now, I really liked how the transcended the "old" saying of the Assassin's "Nothing is true, everything is permitted" in the last message but going "nothing is real, everything is permitted". When before, it was mainly this whole point about order vs. freedom and assassins vs. templars, now it's more of a statement about the subjectivity about our reality. I really like that transformation.slimgrin727 slimgrin727 : Yea, I thought Bayek was ok, definitely better than a few other AC protagonists I could name but he also wasn't that great that i'd need another game with him. As I wrote, if they stay within the time period, I think Aya could be the more interesting choice for a full-on protag. Yeah I picked up that change with the creed as well, its interesting how changing one word changes the whole premise!!!!
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Post by SofaJockey on May 4, 2018 22:50:55 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Bayerk is not that interesting? He's likeable and charismatic, mostly due to his VOs, but there's not much going on beneath the surface. I like Bayek, but I would more than happily spend a game in Amunet's company...
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Post by dazk on May 4, 2018 23:01:27 GMT
5) So, the messages from the ancient artifacts/monoliths are extra cryptic this time around, right? I assume, since they seem to talk to Layla more than Bayek and since Bayek doesn't even comment on their weirdness at all, that they were not really in ancient Egypt and that Bayek didn't really find them. So this is not part of Bayek's memories but rather they were somehow inserted into the animus simulation, how exactly remains unknown. They also hint at the fact that time is somewhat circular, that a variety of scenarios play out over and over again until they lead to one point at which there is only one single event possible - the end of the world. The ancients had the ability to see the future beyond this point by simulating it to the extent where they could make predictions with an insane amount of accuracy. From what I gather, Desmod's actions only delayed the end of the world, because time itself somehow demands it to happen. Why and how remains unknown at this point. So what about reality? Is it a simulation as well? How will Layla (or anyone else) be able to break out of it (as the recordings suggest we must to stop the end of humankind)? Questions abound... Anyway, it's onward to the DLCs now. Hey good pick up with this, Bayek's reaction or lack thereof stupefied me when playing and I know Element Zero and I talked about this previously. That Bayek didn't react because he wasn't seeing/hearing them rather Layla was, makes Bayek's lack of reaction understandable.
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Post by Tittus on May 5, 2018 3:23:02 GMT
There's only one thing I'm thinking a little annoying: missions are heavily scripted. I mean, even if I raid some camp or completed a tomb, there's often quests that makes me backtracking to those sites. Maybe it's better if I explore the regions after I complete all quests, but I can't help myself when I see those question marks.
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Post by dazk on May 5, 2018 4:48:21 GMT
There's only one thing I'm thinking a little annoying: missions are heavily scripted. I mean, even if I raid some camp or completed a tomb, there's often quests that makes me backtracking to those sites. Maybe it's better if I explore the regions after I complete all quests, but I can't help myself when I see those question marks. I cannot help myself, have to clear the markers first then do the story.
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Post by bizantura on May 5, 2018 8:33:16 GMT
I am glad ACO exists but I regard it superficial in storytelling and gameplay. But if B-games is the only thing on offer?! I am already beyond complaining for to many filler and such, I think the problems of making decent games "today" is far worse than nitpicking over litle things that completionists can't resist because of completionist complexes.
So I enjoy parts of the game and I especially liked the second dlc "The Curse of the Pharaohs". I do play the whole game but once and that is it. That is the big difference, most Bioware games I put more then 1000 hours in, this game doesn't give me that itch nor does Far Cry 5 from that same publisher. One time affair and soon forgotten time filler games that leaves no worth while impression whatsoever.
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