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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 18:53:47 GMT
It's not about that for me. It's how awful it would look model-wise. As for Jaal himself, it would be another guy who talks and likes females and their bodies who suddenly likes a guy too though never showed that before. Like Anders was hot for Nate in DAA, so when he was shown to be bi in DA2 it wasn't a surprise, but Jaal being bi would be like Zev saying he prefers women. It's not about Sara, it's how he is already written. Reyes only talks about ex girlfriends, and he is a bi option. Bisexuals can date 100 women and still end up with a man. That's just how it works. Because Reyes was meant for Sara first with Scott being added later. And that was just a lovely dance scene they rendered lol so that's my concern.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Apr 9, 2017 18:55:37 GMT
Reyes only talks about ex girlfriends, and he is a bi option. Bisexuals can date 100 women and still end up with a man. That's just how it works. Because Reyes was meant for Sara first with Scott being added later. And that was just a lovely dance scene they rendered lol so that's my concern. You're still ignoring that bi men can be with women their whole life and still be with a man. Your reasoning is that Jaal was str8 in every interaction you have with him. Well, shucks, so is every bi man in Bioware's past because m/m is always an after-thought.
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Post by Elsariel on Apr 9, 2017 18:56:57 GMT
Ooh, you got more emails? From whom? I had one from Akksul I never got before when I played post-game. He felt bad for what he did to Jaal and said he might not ever like aliens, but he would try. And he sent an inspiring quote to Sara. Ah, I got that one too but I was still playing my first game so I didn't know it was an addition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 18:58:08 GMT
Because Reyes was meant for Sara first with Scott being added later. And that was just a lovely dance scene they rendered lol so that's my concern. You're still ignoring that bi men can be with women their whole life and still be with a man. Your reasoning is that Jaal was str8 in every interaction you have with him. Well, shucks, so is every bi man in Bioware's past because m/m is always an after-thought. And that's what many complain about. If you don't mind Scott being copy and pasted onto a romance written solely for Sara (and the physical interactions are made for Jaal to hold a smaller model), then by all means ask BW for it, but if Gil was suddenly made bi and Sara was copy and pasted from Scott's romance, I would be pretty turned off.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 9, 2017 18:58:55 GMT
Big LEL it would be if the improvements are just some emails, if Tom didnt return to the studio, what else could be? New scenes is out the question. I'm so tired of waiting biowhhhhhaaaarrrr
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Apr 9, 2017 19:00:15 GMT
You're still ignoring that bi men can be with women their whole life and still be with a man. Your reasoning is that Jaal was str8 in every interaction you have with him. Well, shucks, so is every bi man in Bioware's past because m/m is always an after-thought. And that's what many complain about. If you don't mind Scott being copy and pasted onto a romance written solely for Sara (and the physical interactions are made for Jaal to hold a smaller model), then by all means ask BW for it, but if Gil was suddenly made bi and Sara was copy and pasted from Scott's romance, I would be pretty turned off. ALL THE BISEXUAL ROMANCES ARE IDENTICAL NO MATTER WHAT RYDER YOU ARE USING. CAPS necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:00:25 GMT
Big LEL it would be if the improvements are just some emails, if Tom didnt return to the studio, what else could be? New scenes is out the question. I'm so tired of waiting biowhhhhhaaaarrrr He could be under a new NDA, but for 2 months time to improve gay Scott's romances, you'd think he would hint at something like he did with the main game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:01:07 GMT
And that's what many complain about. If you don't mind Scott being copy and pasted onto a romance written solely for Sara (and the physical interactions are made for Jaal to hold a smaller model), then by all means ask BW for it, but if Gil was suddenly made bi and Sara was copy and pasted from Scott's romance, I would be pretty turned off. ALL THE BISEXUAL ROMANCES ARE IDENTICAL NO MATTER WHAT RYDER YOU ARE USING. CAPS necessary. Yep but the models look awful when they are meant for one size and then added to another of an unplanned size.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Apr 9, 2017 19:03:06 GMT
ALL THE BISEXUAL ROMANCES ARE IDENTICAL NO MATTER WHAT RYDER YOU ARE USING. CAPS necessary. Yep but the models look awful when they are meant for one size and then added to another of an unplanned size. It is well-known that the devs aren't going to give massive improvements for the m/m romances, so we can only expect something as shitty as the Reyes bisexual romance and some emails from toxic Jill.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:05:08 GMT
Yep but the models look awful when they are meant for one size and then added to another of an unplanned size. It is well-known that the devs aren't going to give massive improvements for the m/m romances, so we can only expect something as shitty as the Reyes bisexual romance and some emails from toxic Jill. If Tom is not recording, then how is the question? How can they improve them? I watched that entire stream hoping he'd hint something, but he said nothing except he was curious to what they had planned. This makes zero sense to me, so I am hoping it's an NDA thing.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 9, 2017 19:06:42 GMT
To be honest I dont mind even a copypaste from Sara romance, pretty used to that and I'm a bi Cullenmancer so very used to weird scenes. The most important thing here is that m/m doesnt have a squadmate, so the easy fix is Jaal. But now I'm only need this to end already, they have to put us out of our misery soon. He could be under a new NDA, but for 2 months time to improve gay Scott's romances, you'd think he would hint at something like he did with the main game. I hate that acronym so much :DD:
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 9, 2017 19:06:50 GMT
These improvements ain't gonna change the pink elephant in the room no matter how many emails Gil/Reyes send or how much of Scott's ass we see in Gil's improved sex scene. On the other hand I'm not gonna sit here and watch the ME team make the ladylover gigolo Jaal like Scott all of a sudden. I'm not taking anymore scraps. Rather just wallow in salt and see the ME team try to get out of the mess they are in with less than stellar results. At least I can laugh at that. My hopes are ALL on the DLC, despite the ME team seemingly taking a stance against DLC characters/romances. Guess I should just wait for DA4 and see how they decide to fuck us up. Please don't fuck us up...
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on Apr 9, 2017 19:08:40 GMT
It is well-known that the devs aren't going to give massive improvements for the m/m romances, so we can only expect something as shitty as the Reyes bisexual romance and some emails from toxic Jill. If Tom is not recording, then how is the question? How can they improve them? I watched that entire stream hoping he'd hint something, but he said nothing except he was curious to what they had planned. This makes zero sense to me, so I am hoping it's an NDA thing. It is frustrating and annoying that m/m players get a special statement that improvements are being made for the romances related to gay Scott and yet we STILL have to expect nothing but crumbs and scraps as always. I'm sorry but ME:A has done nothing but make me so incredibly uninterested in the ME team. I'm not going to wait for another 5+ years for romances that should've been included in this one. Better luck next time is not something we should expect, not after Kaidan.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 9, 2017 19:13:40 GMT
These improvements ain't gonna change the pink elephant in the room no matter how many emails Gil/Reyes send or how much of Scott's ass we see in Gil's improved sex scene. On the other hand I'm not gonna sit here and watch the ME team make the ladylover gigolo Jaal like Scott all of a sudden. I'm not taking anymore scraps. Rather just wallow in salt and see the ME team try to get out of the mess they are in with less than stellar results. At least I can laugh at that. My hopes are ALL on the DLC, despite the ME team seemingly taking a stance against DLC characters/romances. Guess I should just wait for DA4 and see how they decide to fuck us up. Please don't fuck us up... They did make LotSB DLC which added Liara as an LI. I wonder if they can do something similar here.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 9, 2017 19:15:06 GMT
These improvements ain't gonna change the pink elephant in the room no matter how many emails Gil/Reyes send or how much of Scott's ass we see in Gil's improved sex scene. On the other hand I'm not gonna sit here and watch the ME team make the ladylover gigolo Jaal like Scott all of a sudden. I'm not taking anymore scraps. Rather just wallow in salt and see the ME team try to get out of the mess they are in with less than stellar results. At least I can laugh at that. My hopes are ALL on the DLC, despite the ME team seemingly taking a stance against DLC characters/romances. Guess I should just wait for DA4 and see how they decide to fuck us up. Please don't fuck us up... They did make LotSB DLC which added Liara as an LI. I wonder if they can do something similar here. But Liara was a well-established character and the devs's pet to say the least. I can't imagine this team spending resources in a gay exclusive character
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:17:48 GMT
LOL ok Jaal is not THAT woman crazy. He lost his first love and decided it was best not to become serious in a relationship, so he harmlessly flirts with the ladies, but lets Sara mend his scarred heart. He's a no body and his family is better than him at everything. He first love chose his brother for that reason. Sara sees him as who he really is and doesn't abandon him for a better guy.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 9, 2017 19:18:29 GMT
They did make LotSB DLC which added Liara as an LI. I wonder if they can do something similar here. But Liara was a well-established character and the devs's pet to say the least. I can't imagine this time spending resources in a gay exclusive character Yyyuupp, I mean they could be creating a hot blonde porn star barbie looking straight human female to get back the '' gamerbro '' crowd they seemed to have lost. But honestly, I think they already lost them and trying to appeal to them will not necessarily have the desired effect... so investing a few coins on us gays could be a good way to go. Not sure EA agrees, though.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 9, 2017 19:20:55 GMT
They did make LotSB DLC which added Liara as an LI. I wonder if they can do something similar here. But Liara was a well-established character and the devs's pet to say the least. I can't imagine this team spending resources in a gay exclusive character How's about adding two characters in a DLC, one male bi LI and one female bi LI? This way they can both improve m/m options and also add options to everyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:22:43 GMT
Apologize if my writing seems strange. English is not my first language. I mean that taking away representation in order to make a new one is not a good practice. To me it doesn't come across as a solution but would rather just be problematic in the long run. But straight people already have tons of representation, don't they? Taking one away barely affects anything. I understand the frustration, I really do. But I necessary don't agree; I think that kind of statement is part of the problem. All represenation matters and exactly that that is in the end what fails in concern to the romances. That they not treated equally. And by taking away one representation to create a new one; it just becomes a part of the problem all over again. Look, this is a shitty situation. I can't argue against that. But what I talked about in my previous post, I strongly believe that taking away someone representation to give to others really doesn't fix the situation. I want there to be more sexualities represented but not by changing a characters sexuality from one to another. That isn´t representation; that is, we have a straight character that has become popular and because of fans demanded it, let's change his sexuality. It´s a afterthought. Every representation should have a fully fleshed out character and romance, , we want the same thing, just have different opinions on how...
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Post by Dirk on Apr 9, 2017 19:26:52 GMT
But straight people already have tons of representation, don't they? Taking one away barely affects anything. I understand the frustration, I really do. But I necessary don't agree; I think that kind of statement is part of the problem. All represenation matters and exactly that that is in the end what fails in concern to the romances. That they not treated equally. And by taking away one representation to create a new one; it just becomes a part of the problem all over again. Look, this is a shitty situation. I can't argue against that. But what I talked about in my previous post, I strongly believe that taking away someone representation to give to others really doesn't fix the situation. I want there to be more sexualities represented but not by changing a characters sexuality from one to another. That isn´t representation; that is, we have a straight character that has become popular and because of fans demanded it, let's change his sexuality. It´s a afterthought. Every representation should have a fully fleshed out character and romance, , we want the same thing, just have different opinions on how... I agree that every representation should have a fully fleshed out characters and romance, but I could not see how making Jaal bi does any harm regarding the representation in ME:A. If we take a look at the squad, we exactly have 4 straight, 2 bi, 0 gay or lesbian. If Jaal is made bi, the number will be 3,3 and 0 which means that straight people are still greatly represented.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 9, 2017 19:31:00 GMT
But Liara was a well-established character and the devs's pet to say the least. I can't imagine this team spending resources in a gay exclusive character How's about adding two characters in a DLC, one male bi LI and one female bi LI? This way they can both improve m/m options and also add options to everyone else. Bi male LI and lesbian exclusive would be great, I mean, straight girls yes they have 2 squadmate and Reyes, but that's it, I dont mind to share, but straight guys have a lot to chicks already, an exclusive lesbian squadmate (human) would be great for them, even a sex scene with them in mind without invisible strap-ons and all that crap!
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Post by Caythleen on Apr 9, 2017 19:43:19 GMT
I think it should stay as it is. In real life is not everyone bi. There are bi, gays and straight. You can't force any of them to love something what is not nature for them. So why do you want to do it in this (or any other) game?
I wished Dorian would have been able for my female Inq back then. But he was gay. So I had him as one of my best pals. As it would be in real life. I didn't make 2 mio posts about how they should change it. I think that this makes the game even more realistic.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 19:44:49 GMT
I think it should stay as it is. In real life is not everyone bi. There are bi, gays and straight. You can't force any of them to love something what is not nature for them. So why do you want to do it in this (or any other) game? I wished Dorian would have been able for my female Inq back then. But he was gay. So I had him as one of my best pals. As it would be in real life. I didn't make 2 mio posts about how they should change it. I think that this makes the game even more realistic. You can't have everything you want. The world doesn't work like that. So true. Those mods making Dorian like a female Inquisitor turned my stomach. While being bi doesn't force them to not like the sex they prefer, if it wasn't already written in, to me it's wrong to change it.
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Post by Dirk on Apr 9, 2017 19:45:40 GMT
How's about adding two characters in a DLC, one male bi LI and one female bi LI? This way they can both improve m/m options and also add options to everyone else. Bi male LI and lesbian exclusive would be great, I mean, straight girls yes they have 2 squadmate and Reyes, but that's it, I dont mind to share, but straight guys have a lot to chicks already, an exclusive lesbian squadmate (human) would be great for them, even a sex scene with them in mind without invisible strap-ons and all that crap! I find it very unlikely that Bioware is going to neglect straight male players in a DLC. So that's why I think giving an option to everyone will benefit m/m the most. Math time: if straight male options go from 5 to 6, that's 20% increase. If gay male options go from 2 to 3, that's a whole 50% increase. Oh that Peebee scene. I am not well-versed in lesbian sex, but I understand why lesbian players would not be happy with it.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Apr 9, 2017 19:50:37 GMT
Bi male LI and lesbian exclusive would be great, I mean, straight girls yes they have 2 squadmate and Reyes, but that's it, I dont mind to share, but straight guys have a lot to chicks already, an exclusive lesbian squadmate (human) would be great for them, even a sex scene with them in mind without invisible strap-ons and all that crap! I find it very unlikely that Bioware is going to neglect straight male players in a DLC. So that's why I think giving an option to everyone will benefit m/m the most. Math time: if straight male options go from 5 to 6, that's 20% increase. If gay male options go from 2 to 3, that's a whole 50% increase. Oh that Peebee scene. I am not well-versed in lesbian sex, but I understand why lesbian players would not be happy with it. yeah its an impossible scenario, if they do another bi female romance I hope they think in lesbians first and then dudebros, or two separate sex scenes, I dont know penis/vagina sucking is not that different if you are doing it like in Jaal scene when he goes down and the actual thing it's not seen
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