Best defense against #MakeJaalBi ever

Everything that you want is not issue there. The issue is not having anything. Gil is crewmate, Reyes is off-ship. There is no squadmate and none with equal content to squadmates romances for m/m.

Also this isn't first time either. ME1 and 2 had 0 m/m romances in total. This is Bioware blatantly ignoring m/m romances, it's not about getting everything, it's bout getting something.

Well if Jaal manages to hide the whole "actual thing" in case of male Ryder, I'd say he's a talented one. 

I see what you mean and I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this. We are looking for the same goal but different methods.

For me I am fine with changing sexuality if it does not undermine the representation. Changing Dorian sexuality to bi would reduce gay representation to zero in DA:I, while changing Jaal sexuality to bi would reduce straight representation to three. So I am fine with Jaal case but not Dorian case.

But I am sure that you would disagree with my line of thinking and that's fine. I am glad that we can have this respectful conversation on this charged issue. 

After a bit of a discussion about it, we also found out that Sara's scene with Jaal at his house was written first, and Scott was just added to it, but the lines are all for Sara and a romanced Jaal by his family. That's not right.

Well maybe that's just you 

But like, if Jaal goes down on Scott like that, it will be instantly. 

I thought DA2 was the best in romantic department. Create your character, then you have plenty of choices and can actually fall in love as you go, spontaneously, without the replays when you find out that you did not make the match. Yes, DA2 is the only game they had it in, and I am so sad to see gates coming back up. I'll never stop missing how natural and organic DA2 was.

I really don't like it when I want to do something in the game, and the game goes: "oh, noes! OMG, this is totally WRONG!"

Personally, I want Reyes romance expanded via telecalls, and a couple of visit to Kadara after important missions.

For what it's worth, Dorian's story is not so much about sexuality, it is first and foremost about him rejecting the society's control over his personal life. He does not carrry a torch for any particular man when he walks out on his father trying to force him into blood magic ritual to make him straight. His liaisons were flings. In the end, he also refuses to settle into permanent union with Inquisitor whom he appears to love. His story would change very little if he was also attracted to females. He'd still not be the one for an arranged marriage and breeding protocol. He still won't marry the PC.

Eeehhh... There was that whole bit where his dad wanted to do a blood magic ritual to make him straight so that'd have to change to make his story arc make sense for a female romance.

It would have outraged him just as much if his father reached for blood magic as a quick fix for him wanting to simply avoid the arranged marriage in the name perfect breeding: "is that all that bother you son? I thought you were more grown up than that. But if you prefer to be a fool, there is a simple spell that will bind you to the appropriate girl for a few years! Elementary!" (Snaps his fingers). It is what outrages Dorian among other things - his father who taught him to shun blood magic, immediately turning to it as a quick fix for his stubbornness. Dorian also voices derision towards his parents' union while separately, he talks about each parent with some fondness. In other words, there is far more social commentary in his protest than anything sensual or romantic. He also chooses the political cause over romantic love in the end. Being a gay is a facet of his personality, but not at the heart of it. What he desires in essence is a freedom to lead private life as he pleases. He is not Dorian Grey's namesake by mere chance.

You're not wrong. That's pretty much exactly how it would have to change for it to work with a female PC.

In fact, I can't think of any Bioware character, gay or straight, that couldn't be tweaked to be bi if they really wanted. Question is, should they?

Oh, I know. It's both a choice and it's simply part of who you are. Jaal is straight because that's who he is. The point in the statement I reiterated in the OP was to say that people that want Jaal to be bisexual for them can't see the forest for the trees. They don't even give a shit about how well his story is written before they start ranting about how they can't romance him.

I wanted Sera to be bi in DA:I too because I thought she was cute and totally GF material for my Ryder, plus she was very nasty and I figured she wouldn't care too much about how she'd get pleasure, but at the end of the day I said "oh well, whatevs" when she turned me down and I figured that meant I was locked out of her romance. I didn't bother BioWare about it either.

With stuff like ME3's ending and the broken promises of choices I can understand. With bugs and gamebreaking glitches I can understand. With a lack of support for gay players I can understand but there is PeeBee and Vetra who go both ways already and if you want male on male there is still Gil.

Also, whether #makejaalbi will actually happen, it's important that it has become such a huge thing that the devs and even certain gaming news outlets were actually unable to ignore it. Because no matter how many people say "oh they'll surely do it better next time ~ there's no reason to make such a fuss", no, they won't. What in the hell would give you that impression? They were "happy with the specifics" this time, why wouldn't they think it's okay next time? We had two ME games without a single male gay/bisexual romance, then we had one with two, then it was given to another team and we're back to square 0.4 (because there are two male gay/bisexual romances, but no squadmate, which means male gay/bisexual romances are of the kind that are considered "extra" content for all other sexualities). And if you really believe that after the desasterpiece that was this game's launch (in many more respects than story, romances, and cosmetics, including actual technical stuff plaguing both single player and multiplayer) the ME:A team as is will actually develop the next game, no. So this team "naturally" learning about their mistake is not enough, even if it were to happen, because large parts of this team probably won't even make the next game. Thus, it is much more helpful to actually do make a fuss that the PR reps of Bioware will hear about.

So yeah, let people make some demands about what specifically they want - a romance with the same quality content than everyone else. Because at this point, I just don't believe having faith that "it'll be better next time " is enough. The DA series has that trust from me - at least as far as the romance content is concerned -, the ME series most certainly does not anymore because this game is proof it does not deserve it. #makejaalbi is half a thing because people think it's the easiest way to fix the problem and consequently the only chance they have because they don't expect the team will go for something more complex, which is very telling about the general impression of the quality of the ME:A team's work.

Or we could just sit around quietly and wait that the ME:A5 team in 2034 actually remembers that some people may place importance in that particular romance feature. I mean, that's also an option.

As long as Jaal fans amplify and show their support of the m/m fans with the understanding of why some LGBT fans want Bi Jaal, rather than prioritizing their own discomfort with the idea of Jaal being made bi in a hypothetical situation.

And by amplify and show support, I mean unconditionally.