Best defense against #MakeJaalBi ever

Speaking for myself and maybe others as well, it’s not about finding that prospect horrid, it's not about wanting to "protect" or not wanting to "share" a character with another demograhic. If bisexuality had been a part of Jaal's characterization from the beginning then I'd have had no problem with it and I'd likely have romanced him with both of my Ryders.

For me, it’s about not wanting a part of a character to change when it doesn’t make sense with the established characterization of said character. It’s not restricted to sexuality either: it applies to other aspects of characterization like personality. I don’t want that precedence to be set.  
That precedence tells the writers that it's okay to change aspects of a character if it's something demanded or as appeasement by people.

I felt the same way about Ashley Williams in the third game: her appearance was changed to make her *eye candy because she was a love interest. It was not the result of any character development and it, in my opinion, did not make sense given her prior characterization and design. I believe the writer who once wrote her also did not agree with the change because it went against her original characterization and the reason behind her design.

Note: this was admitted by the developers.

Eh, I'm more of leaning towards a budget and/or time restraint. They had a lot of money to burn, sure, but they clearly didn't allocate it correctly, and decided to cut things out, like bi Jaal (as they always do, cutting out the same sex part of the romance). I mean, I haven't watched Cora's sex scene, but I hear that much attention and detail went into it, meaning many resources went into it, yet basic facial animations are horrid.

I'd agree with that if we found more dialogue like we did with Thane and Cullen (I dug so deep into the sound files I spoiled the game's ending trying to find anything for the the guys lol), but there is nothing except one file, same with Cora. They actually considered Cora as bi too, but it never happened. And yeah it's a legit sex scene with thrusting and not something Sara could be swapped for (they barely got away with it with PeeBee). Exactly like Jaal's romance. His scenes are designed for Sara's model only. Liam seemed like an afterthought for Sara too since there is no sex or nudity with them at all, and I swore he'd be her "canon" romance.

shechinah
I'm not arguing final intent. I'm arguing original intent. Unfortunately, it was Bioware's final intent to make Jaal available only to Sara, when there was some code for Scott too.

@beautesombre
Speaking of PeeBee's scene, they really should fix that for female players. Maybe it's just me, but it's kind of insulting they'd just leave it like that.

At this point, all I'm waiting for are these "improvements" they promised. I'm keeping an eye out for the next two months. I know Taylorson said he hasn't been called to voice anything yet, but I highly doubt they're at the voicing stage anyway. We learned about these improvements a few days ago, and if they are serious on fixing some things other than just animations, Bioware is at the writing stage, hopefully anyway.

A little off topic (or not, depending on how you look at my next question), but what is the "Great Aerie Wars," you are referring to you, and what's it got to do with your point? I'm a bit curious about it.

Yeah, but they should still fix it. I haven't watched that scene either, but I'm hear it is anatomically incorrect, as PeeBee is riding parts Sara doesn't exactly have. And I knew about them not changing the models. A little sad that they don't, but oh well, I'm not a game developer.

My hope for those two months is some rework with Gil, and expanding of Reyes. My fear is that they'll just put in a half assed sex scene, and that our only problem is that gay people just was a scene like Cora's or PeeBee's, which is not where the problem lies, Bioware.

Yeah and when Jaal takes Sara to meet his family and they tease he brought someone special, they reuse the same scene with Scott, not even trying to balance things out. Or if Sara is committed to another, they still use that scene hinting Jaal is bringing his lover home. Reusing scenes has got to stop.

I don't really see a problem with M!Ryder lying on the floor staring at the Galaxy holding hands. Or walking the beach and circling Jaal in the strategically waist-deep water. The sex scene itself will need placement, but, hey, they put a dwarf on a box to kiss Dorian, they can manage a roll in the surf, providing they already have nude backsides for both models.

I am sorry if I sound crude. But unlike a couple of SWTOR animations, Andromeda's Jaal one never really felt like well observed and well executed. Unless my game was bugged. I mean, does the background normally shifts to white, then to gray siluetted plants during the sex scene, or is it supposed to remain in technicolor?

There's another rather egregious case I noticed in the conversation with Jaal after the discovery on Khi Tasira regarding the angara. On both the friendship route and romance route, Jaal opens the conversation with the assumption that Ryder is there to see if he's finally broken. It makes no sense for him to believe this on either of those paths.

Huh? That never happened in my game. I know they are in a cave when they have sex, and are behind a waterfall, but the colors are vibrant.

shechinah yeah that "Hello Sara. Have you come to see if I'm finally broken?" WTF? When did I first see him nearly break? The facility? No. It's like that convo is for those who have a bad relationship with him.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't consider a romance path to be essential: I didn't feel that with Morrigan, Alistair, Anders, Isabella, Solas and so on. 

I consider the friendship and romance paths to be different paths but I consider neither to be less in comparison to the other or the story: merely different.