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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 9, 2018 16:38:08 GMT
Big fan of romancing Cullen thanks to a mod. Only issue is the height thing when kissing but I think that's unavoidable. Despite being an (ex) Templar, I find him to be sweet. He definitely evolved over the course of all three DA games.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 10, 2018 17:18:02 GMT
Here's some artwork to show some...appreciation. Iffy about this one so under a spoiler tag. Though, tbh, it's no worse than when Cullen lost at Wicked Grace.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 11, 2018 16:09:16 GMT
It's been a long time, so I don't remember. What are Cullen's views on mages in DAI?
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Post by Catilina on Jul 11, 2018 16:46:42 GMT
It's been a long time, so I don't remember. What are Cullen's views on mages in DAI? "Meredith's methods were harsh, but kept people safe"In theory, he regretted, but this isn't always clear. If the Inquisitor ask him about Maddox's Tranquility, he just parrots the official version: Maddox corrupted a Templar (asked Samson bring out his love letter)... And I like this conversation:
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 11, 2018 22:28:07 GMT
It's been a long time, so I don't remember. What are Cullen's views on mages in DAI? I'm thinking Cullen can romance a human or elven mage. He'll also follow a mage Inquisitor, play chess with Dorian, and overall feel just fine about being around mages. He specifically chose to NOT be a Templar anymore, even going so far as to stop taking lyrium. That man has come a long way since DAO.
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Post by Iddy on Jul 11, 2018 23:17:32 GMT
It's been a long time, so I don't remember. What are Cullen's views on mages in DAI? I'm thinking Cullen can romance a human or elven mage. He'll also follow a mage Inquisitor, play chess with Dorian, and overall feel just fine about being around mages. He specifically chose to NOT be a Templar anymore, even going so far as to stop taking lyrium. That man has come a long way since DAO. The fact that he follows you and can be romanced doesn't mean anything regarding his beliefs about mages. Just look at Fenris.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 0:54:22 GMT
I'm thinking Cullen can romance a human or elven mage. He'll also follow a mage Inquisitor, play chess with Dorian, and overall feel just fine about being around mages. He specifically chose to NOT be a Templar anymore, even going so far as to stop taking lyrium. That man has come a long way since DAO. The fact that he follows you and can be romanced doesn't mean anything regarding his beliefs about mages. Just look at Fenris. In that view, Cullen worse than Fenris. Fenris was not a mage hunter in Thedas cruellest Circle and the right hand of a mad criminal (ofc, if Hawke doesn't count a mad criminal...). And at the end, Fenris fought for the mages – while Cullen just fought against his mad commander.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 9:58:25 GMT
The difference between Fenris and Cullen in my mind is that Cullen is afraid of magic, not the mage. He'll happily be friends with mages if they prove themselves to be trustworthy, but is understandably hesitant after what happened in Ferelden.
Fenris on the other hand dislikes all mages, every single one, unless they work very hard to earn his trust. He always assumes they have an angle and will use their magic to gain power. That's a hang over from his days in Tevinter and is again, understandable, but different from Cullen. Perhaps that's worse too, as Fenris can make Hawke feel guilty for being a mage, and loves him/her despite it, whereas I felt like Cullen tried to accept and respect a mage IQ.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 12:27:59 GMT
The difference between Fenris and Cullen in my mind is that Cullen is afraid of magic, not the mage. He'll happily be friends with mages if they prove themselves to be trustworthy, but is understandably hesitant after what happened in Ferelden. Fenris on the other hand dislikes all mages, every single one, unless they work very hard to earn his trust. He always assumes they have an angle and will use their magic to gain power. That's a hang over from his days in Tevinter and is again, understandable, but different from Cullen. Perhaps that's worse too, as Fenris can make Hawke feel guilty for being a mage, and loves him/her despite it, whereas I felt like Cullen tried to accept and respect a mage IQ. No. Cullen fears from the mages just as the magic. Fenris never said, the mages aren't people, in fact, Fenris says, among the magisters are noble, strong mages, and he also can accept Anders – while arguing him, and would like to see the mages locked (including Bethany...) It seems, Fenris has controversial feelings, but he's much more objective than Cullen – or at least try to be.
Fenris accepts and respects mage Hawke, and not just try to do it, as Cullen – while Fenris' wounds deeper than Cullen's.
I don't say, Cullen's love absolutely possible with a mage – but not an easy love. In the mage's view. This is why I don't like that line that "it's no problem, I'm a mage?" Because the question rather that it's not a problem, he was a Templar and he has his prejudices still or not... Never forget: Cullen was the predator ,and the mage the prey. Fenris never was a predator in hawke's wiew.v So: it depends on the mage Inquisitor can deal with it, or not, can treat Cullen's prejudices or not (a rivalry romance option, and/or more confrontations would be nice...).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 12:45:20 GMT
No. Cullen fears from the mages just as the magic. Fenris never said, the mages aren't people, in fact, Fenris says, among the magisters are noble, strong mages, and he also can accept Anders – while arguing him, and would like to see the mages locked (including Bethany...) It seems, Fenris has controversial feelings, but he's much more objective than Cullen – or at least try to be.
Fenris accepts and respects mage Hawke, and not just try to do it, as Cullen – while Fenris' wounds deeper than Cullen's.
I don't say, Cullen's love absolutely possible with a mage – but not an easy love. In the mage's view. This is why I don't like that line that "it's no problem, I'm a mage?" Because the question rather that it's not a problem, he was a Templar and he has his prejudices still or not... Never forget: Cullen was the predator ,and the mage the prey. Fenris never was a predator in hawke's wiew.v So: it depends on the mage Inquisitor can deal with it, or not, can treat Cullen's prejudices or not (a rivalry romance option, and/or more confrontations would be nice...).
One thing I'd say about Cullen's romance is that I don't remember the mage thing isn't mentioned enough. He seemed to get over it pretty quick. At least Fenris still battles his demons and it takes years for him to come to terms with it.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 12, 2018 12:49:23 GMT
No. Cullen fears from the mages just as the magic. Fenris never said, the mages aren't people, in fact, Fenris says, among the magisters are noble, strong mages, and he also can accept Anders – while arguing him, and would like to see the mages locked (including Bethany...) It seems, Fenris has controversial feelings, but he's much more objective than Cullen – or at least try to be.
Fenris accepts and respects mage Hawke, and not just try to do it, as Cullen – while Fenris' wounds deeper than Cullen's.
I don't say, Cullen's love absolutely possible with a mage – but not an easy love. In the mage's view. This is why I don't like that line that "it's no problem, I'm a mage?" Because the question rather that it's not a problem, he was a Templar and he has his prejudices still or not... Never forget: Cullen was the predator ,and the mage the prey. Fenris never was a predator in hawke's wiew.v So: it depends on the mage Inquisitor can deal with it, or not, can treat Cullen's prejudices or not (a rivalry romance option, and/or more confrontations would be nice...). One thing I'd say about Cullen's romance is that I don't remember the mage thing isn't mentioned enough. He seemed to get over it pretty quick. At least Fenris still battles his demons and it takes years for him to come to terms with it. Yes, this is my problem exactly. HE perhaps get over it... but the mage? Seems everything just okay...The mage can't question him, there's no possibility in game – the mage Inquisitor MUST get over it, that he was the right hand of a mad mage-killer.
Cullen and a mage Inquisitor could be one of the most interesting romance. But it's just ... gappy, weak.
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Post by duckley on Jul 14, 2018 17:26:34 GMT
As per Cole, Cullen now sees Mages as people, but yes, still fears the dangers of magic. He ponders the idea of mages living outside the circle, using their skills in the community to help others, but with some Templar oversight for protection. He realizes his fear of magic and experiences at Kinloch Hold lead him to appreciate and understand Meredith zealousness, but blames himself by not looking into her leadership further. It is mentioned that Meredith kept a lot from him, but he does believe he should have looked into her actions more deeply. The Mage Inquisitor asks if he could love/trust a mage and he says yes.
Cullen says to the Inquisitor that he was not proud of the man he was n Kirkwall, but since he turned on Meredith and left the order, he seemed to have engaged in self-reflection, and maybe started to returned to the man he hoped he would become someday. The Inquisitor even says she likes the man he is now.
I agree there could have been more meat explored in this relationship - but there is only so much time for romance. We have a rift to seal!
As an aside, I always interpreted Cullen's remarks to Hawke about Mages not being "like us" to mean that Mages have a ability, unlike others that can be deadly and dangerous that needs to be kept in check. I never took it as implying Cullen thought mages were somehow subhuman.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 14, 2018 17:58:49 GMT
As per Cole, Cullen now sees Mages as people, but yes, still fears the dangers of magic. He ponders the idea of mages living outside the circle, using their skills in the community to help others, but with some Templar oversight for protection. He realizes his fear of magic and experiences at Kinloch Hold lead him to appreciate and understand Meredith zealousness, but blames himself by not looking into her leadership further. It is mentioned that Meredith kept a lot from him, but he does believe he should have looked into her actions more deeply. The Mage Inquisitor asks if he could love/trust a mage and he says yes. Cullen says to the Inquisitor that he was not proud of the man he was n Kirkwall, but since he turned on Meredith and left the order, he seemed to have engaged in self-reflection, and maybe started to returned to the man he hoped he would become someday. The Inquisitor even says she likes the man he is now. I agree there could have been more meat explored in this relationship - but there is only so much time for romance. We have a rift to seal! As an aside, I always interpreted Cullen's remarks to Hawke about Mages not being "like us" to mean that Mages have a ability, unlike others that can be deadly and dangerous that needs to be kept in check. I never took it as implying Cullen thought mages were somehow subhuman. Yes, the mage Inquisitor able to ask him, he's able to love/trust a mage... but he didn't ask, the Mage Inquisitor able to love/trust in a man who was a mage-hunter. And not even able to question him about his role in Kirkwall, and accuse him. "We [the Templars] have dominance over mages by divine right." He still believes that? And he realized that Meredith's mad, but not that mad as Uldred was before the transformation. And he even realized, he may on the wrong side if support her... but still supported her – this is sad. There are many doubts on his face... Yes, on one hand he admits, he's not that proud to the man who was before (sadly only if he's in the romance with the Inquisitor, at least I don't remember he would apologize from my mage), but then why said "Meredith methods were hash but kept people safe"? It is a big missed opportunity, what missing from his redemption arc. And this is because of the rifts and the very important deed? Then why the Inquisitor deals with his problems? (Bad writing... wasted opportunities)
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Post by duckley on Jul 29, 2018 16:19:34 GMT
Cassandra also mentions that the Seekers were aware of the harshness at Kirkwall, but because of the large number of Abominations in Kirkwall they decided not to investigate there for abuses. The Seekers felt the harshness was justified under the circumstance.
Given Cullen's experiences in Kinloch Hold, it stands to reason he would support keeping mages very closely monitored. Throw Meredith into the mix, whose family was killed by her sister, and what was going on in Kirkwall at the time, that there was harsh treatment was not a surprise (not necessarily right, but not surprising). Orsino seemed pretty useless and Mother Althea was weak as well. In addition, if you recall the veil was thin in Kirkwall. It was mentioned at one point in the game if I recall, that using the Gallows - a former prison and place of death- as a home for the circle was a bad idea. Echos of death (the prison) attracted demons who could come through the veil easily. Look at all the weirdness that was going on in Kirkwall - including the death of Hawke's mother,that murder case, possessed Templars...
Looks like Cullen's job was to train the Templars and he did say that he was not aware of how far Meredith was going until it was too late. He does carry remorse that he didn't know and that he didn't look into it more. Clearly he still sees Mages as a potential threat, but is open to freedom with oversight - to keep everyone safe.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 29, 2018 17:16:19 GMT
Cassandra also mentions that the Seekers were aware of the harshness at Kirkwall, but because of the large number of Abominations in Kirkwall they decided not to investigate there for abuses. The Seekers felt the harshness was justified under the circumstance.
Given Cullen's experiences in Kinloch Hold, it stands to reason he would support keeping mages very closely monitored. Throw Meredith into the mix, whose family was killed by her sister, and what was going on in Kirkwall at the time, that there was harsh treatment was not a surprise (not necessarily right, but not surprising). Orsino seemed pretty useless and Mother Althea was weak as well. In addition, if you recall the veil was thin in Kirkwall. It was mentioned at one point in the game if I recall, that using the Gallows - a former prison and place of death- as a home for the circle was a bad idea. Echos of death (the prison) attracted demons who could come through the veil easily. Look at all the weirdness that was going on in Kirkwall - including the death of Hawke's mother,that murder case, possessed Templars... Looks like Cullen's job was to train the Templars and he did say that he was not aware of how far Meredith was going until it was too late. He does carry remorse that he didn't know and that he didn't look into it more. Clearly he still sees Mages as a potential threat, but is open to freedom with oversight - to keep everyone safe.Can you imagine what disturbing to live with such a man, who constantly watches? And you don't know he watches with love or suspicion... probably both. And you know that he hunted your kind.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 1, 2018 13:51:30 GMT
It just occurred to me that if you romance Cullen, his mabari will be your mabari too.
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Cullen had me at 'hello' during Origins I really wanted to give him a hug as Hawke too thank the Maker I can make my Quizzy give him all the hugs he needs
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Post by Iddy on Aug 1, 2018 14:15:46 GMT
Cullen had me at 'hello' during Origins I really wanted to give him a hug as Hawke too thank the Maker I can make my Quizzy give him all the hugs he needs As Hawke? You mean... during his "mages aren't people" phase?
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Post by Catilina on Aug 1, 2018 14:25:13 GMT
Cullen had me at 'hello' during Origins I really wanted to give him a hug as Hawke too thank the Maker I can make my Quizzy give him all the hugs he needs As Hawke? You mean... during his "mages aren't people" phase? Perhaps he will change when Hawke hugs him. A hug can make miracles. (Especially mixed with some electricity things...) By the way, a hard rivalry romance would be nice with him in DA2.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 1, 2018 14:59:55 GMT
Cullen had me at 'hello' during Origins I really wanted to give him a hug as Hawke too thank the Maker I can make my Quizzy give him all the hugs he needs As Hawke? You mean... during his "mages aren't people" phase? well, yes...Hawke (mine at least) seems like the person who randomly goes around hugging people I myself need a good hug now and then, I often felt that Cullen could've used one as well maybe if he had, he would've let go of his hate sooner, I kind of wish we had been able to interact with him a bit more in DA 2, beyond the random encounters and small tidbits in the Gallows
As Hawke? You mean... during his "mages aren't people" phase? Perhaps he will change when Hawke hugs him. A hug can make miracles. (Especially mixed with some electricity things...) By the way, a hard rivalry romance would be nice with him in DA2. Romancing him as Hawke...hm, yeah...no...I prefer Fenris for my Hawke's, especially the irony it brings when I romance him with a mage then again, romancing Cullen with a mage would've brought that same kind of irony
He's the one person I just can't get enough of romancing, and seeing as he's the only one in Inquisition that had my interest...yeah, for my female Quizzy's there's not much choice I've yet to figure out who to romance with my male Quizzies, but I'll get there when it's time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 22:32:08 GMT
Just finished Trespasser with a world where the Inq told Cullen to keep taking lyrium. I've done that before but told him to stop when the war ended, this time I just said take it and shut up. The epilogue states he disappears, only to be found on the streets a year later begging for lyrium and with no memory. Omg. She was such a mean IQ.
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Post by cerulione on Aug 19, 2018 16:38:29 GMT
Wow! That version of Cullen looks Skyrim-esque! He would make a good Nord
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